General Doping Thread.

[samhocking]

That Ketone story is pretty old as Professor Clarke at Oxford Uni said several teams around the world were buying ΔG from her at Oxford Uni around this time anyway and anyone could buy it, so long as they signed an NDA because it was still a DARPA project for US. Seems a journalists at Daily Fail found her interview on HVMN from a couple of years ago and now attempts to make it an issue.

 

[yaco]

I suspect the UK weren't the only ones using Ketones or similar products - Cutting edge sporting programs for elite athletes that go close to the line are normal, though having athletes sign disclaimers in case of future issues is worrying.

 

[Parker]

The whole Mail on Sunday story smacks of a journalist who spent a long amount of time trying to find a scandal and failed. And now, faced with the prospect of not getting paid/getting further commissions, has dressed up a trial of a supplement as something sinister. It even uses the tabloid trick of putting a lie in the headline is OK if it's in inverted commas.

Even on twitter had has written "I 100% know this is a niche story, and in many ways a historic and irrelevant story. It's eight years' old and being told for the first time. All I'd say is: what else shady is going on now that you won't know about for nearly a decade? "

Translation: My story is poor, so poor that no-one else has written it. Please imagine your own

 

[samhocking]

HVMN (Delta G) has a video on YT and the inventor says the safety trials to get Ketones approved by FDA were paid by DARPA and cost $10M in 2003/4. I think the journalists of this latest story on UKSport have believed UKSport having access to an already FDA approved Ketone and testing it in sport was the safety trials and why they use the term Human Guinea Pigs and Wonder Drug etc. I highly doubt DARPA (A US Government Agency) are sending non-approved substances to UKSport to test on Olympic Athletes in an Olympic Games lol! The whole thing just sounds like Daily Mail hunting for a story that doesn't really exist unless they ignore the key safety trials and sports trials are totally separate events.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Kanstantsin Sivtsov was banned for 4 years for EPO positive in 2018 on June 23.

Kanstantsin Sivtsov voor 4 jaar geschorst vanwege positieve test in 2018 | Wieler Revue

Kanstantsin Sivtsov is door de UCI voor vier jaar geschorst. De Wit-Russische renner liep in 2018 tegen de lamp, toen hij positief testte op epo. Sindsdien kwam de klimmer ook niet meer in actie.

www.google.com

 

[Koronin]

Kanstantsin Sivtsov was banned for 4 years for EPO positive in 2018 on June 23.

Kanstantsin Sivtsov voor 4 jaar geschorst vanwege positieve test in 2018 | Wieler Revue

Kanstantsin Sivtsov is door de UCI voor vier jaar geschorst. De Wit-Russische renner liep in 2018 tegen de lamp, toen hij positief testte op epo. Sindsdien kwam de klimmer ook niet meer in actie.

www.google.com

Showing it's still being used. On the other hand, if it gets approved for a Covid treatment it also should show that there's plenty around for hospitals to actually get a hold of as well.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Showing it's still being used. On the other hand, if it gets approved for a Covid treatment it also should show that there's plenty around for hospitals to actually get a hold of as well.

This is what wiki had to say about it.
"On 5 September 2018, the UCI announced that an out of competition test had resulted in an adverse analytical finding of Erythropoietin in a sample collected 31 July 2018. Siutsou was provisionally suspended pending the result of any B sample test.[7] This followed his back injury sustained whilst carrying out a recon of the time trial at the Giro earlier that year.[8]

On 23 June 2020, he was given a four year ban for doping using EPO.[9]"

 

[RedheadDane]

Looks like we just had an old fashioned positive at the Giro...

Matteo Spreafico out of Giro d'Italia after doping positive

Italian Vini Zabù-Brado-KTM rider positive for SARM ostarine on stages 12 and 13

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[PhiLiz]

Looks like we just had an old fashioned positive at the Giro...

Matteo Spreafico out of Giro d'Italia after doping positive

Italian Vini Zabù-Brado-KTM rider positive for SARM ostarine on stages 12 and 13

www.cyclingnews.com

Nah, just an AAF. It'll benefit from the Dawg's jurisprudence.

 

[luckyboy]

Ah so he was just riding in the gruppetto every day so nobody was suspicious!

Is that something you can have in a contaminated supplement? Or there's no way around it being doping..

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Looks like we just had an old fashioned positive at the Giro...

Matteo Spreafico out of Giro d'Italia after doping positive

Italian Vini Zabù-Brado-KTM rider positive for SARM ostarine on stages 12 and 13

www.cyclingnews.com

Vino Fantomo never disappoint

 

[Parker]

Is this the thread for actual dopers rather than riders who divert from the norms that posters have set for cycling?

 

[Scarponi]

Got one boys, nothing else to see here though

 

[SafeBet]

Looks like we just had an old fashioned positive at the Giro...

Matteo Spreafico out of Giro d'Italia after doping positive

Italian Vini Zabù-Brado-KTM rider positive for SARM ostarine on stages 12 and 13

www.cyclingnews.com

His best result in the past 2 seasons: 19th in a Tour of Taihu Lake stage.

 

[search]

Is that something you can have in a contaminated supplement?

maybe

Cycling team blames ketone food supplements for 21 year old’s AAF - Sports Integrity Initiative

A 21 year old cyclist has been provisionally suspended after returning an adverse analytical finding (AAF) for two prohibited substances at the Giro dell’Emilia, part of the Italian u23 Road Championships. Luca Colnaghi returned an AAF for Andarine and Enobosarm (Ostarine), Italy’s national...

www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com

if not, he would probably be one of the dumbest dopers in ages.

 

[SafeBet]

NFL player Taylor Lewan also blamed a supplement after testing positive for ostarine.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Someone on Scinto's team gets busted, what a shock.
I expected someone else on that team to get busted, but the guy crashed out of the race...
The supplement that Colnaghi blames for his positive actually contained those SARMS, so that one could actually be legit. That said, if you're able to buy a ketone drink on the internet much cheaper than normal your alarm bells should go off.

 

[RedheadDane]

Is this the thread for actual dopers rather than riders who divert from the norms that posters have set for cycling?

Dunno, but seemed the most fitting thread, given that I didn't want to create a new. And just think it's funny how news sites actually have to point out that he tested positive - or had an AAF - for a banned substance.

 

[Koronin]

We have love the Spanish Courts. It appears the Spanish Courts have ruled that you can't give a ban based soley on the bio passport. Or at least that's how I'm reading this. Based on this ruling it appears former Burgos rider Ibai Salas is currently not banned.

Spanish court rules biological passport not valid for Salas' doping ban

Former Burgos-BH rider's four-year ban overturned

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Mayomaniac]

We have love the Spanish Courts. It appears the Spanish Courts have ruled that you can't give a ban based soley on the bio passport. Or at least that's how I'm reading this. Based on this ruling it appears former Burgos rider Ibai Salas is currently not banned.

Spanish court rules biological passport not valid for Salas' doping ban

Former Burgos-BH rider's four-year ban overturned

www.cyclingnews.com

Spain seems to be the only place where you can still fight a suspension at a normal court without following normal Sport jurisdiction.

 

[luckyboy]

Spreafico fired by Vini Zabu.

Probably on the lowest wages possible, raced the Giro for the first time, certainly won't get hired by another pro team in 2-4 years.. Would be sad if it's just from some supplement that didn't list it as an ingredient and his career is ruined.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

From

Doping nel ciclismo, Petacchi risponde alle parole di Hondo

L'ex velocista ha risposto alle parole del tedesco, pronunciate in tribunale a Monaco di Baviera: "Nella deposizione di Danilo non vi è alcun passaggio nel quale il dichiarante mi attribuisca la responsabilità di essermi sottoposto a trattamenti ematici illeciti in sua presenza o anche da solo"

www.gazzetta.it

AleJet replies to the Hondo testament

I would like to report what I have clarified regarding the latest new reports on the Aderlass case.
I am really saddened by what was reported after Danilo Hondo's witness statement in the trial in question.
The testimony given by Hondo was reported in incorrect terms and in such a way as to cause an unjustified sensation.

Obviously, knowing my friend and ex-racing partner, I had no problem calling him and asking for clarification.
It took 2 minutes to understand and clarify, Danilo sent me, through his lawyer, the real statement under oath made by him before the court of Munich, as it is public and therefore verifiable in its contents.
There is no place in Hondo's deposition in which the registrant attributes the responsibility of having undergone illicit blood treatments in his presence or even alone.
However, I would like to restate that I have nothing more to say or add on this matter, which was clarified by me with to UCI two years ago.

 

[Oldermanish]

NFL player Taylor Lewan also blamed a supplement after testing positive for ostarine.

Yes and that was Robbie Cano's defense for his first, 80 game MLB claiming it was a supplement from his home country. Today he got a 1 year ban for Stanizlol or some other bargain basement roid that every gym rat could dodge a positive. He's 38 and kissing $24 meeeeelion US dollars away on next year's contract. Hope he banked something in his career up to this date.
That dough is enough to fund 3 Pro Tour teams in this economy by the way.

 

[King Boonen]

Yes and that was Robbie Cano's defense for his first, 80 game MLB claiming it was a supplement from his home country. Today he got a 1 year ban for Stanizlol or some other bargain basement roid that every gym rat could dodge a positive. He's 38 and kissing $24 meeeeelion US dollars away on next year's contract. Hope he banked something in his career up to this date.
That dough is enough to fund 3 Pro Tour teams in this economy by the way.

I guess this explains that slash line...

I saw a breakdown recently on how much of that contract they actually get (although I think it as basketball) and I've always wondered why the take home pay isn't reported. He's had $214m in contracts and is due another $48m (I don't know if there are options on his contract, Baseball-Reference seems to indicate not), so you'd hope he would be fine. That's HoF gone though I think.

 

[Oldermanish]

I guess this explains that slash line...

I saw a breakdown recently on how much of that contract they actually get (although I think it as basketball) and I've always wondered why the take home pay isn't reported. He's had $214m in contracts and is due another $48m (I don't know if there are options on his contract, Baseball-Reference seems to indicate not), so you'd hope he would be fine. That's HoF gone though I think.

Yeah, I think he stands a little behind Bonds and MaGuire for Cooperstown. Maybe they should open a steroid annex and call it C**perstown.