General Doping Thread.

[Rob5091]

"Identity doping" ? Cynisca cycling's attempt to race ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...st-cynisca-cycling-team-after-wild-fraud-case

The women's team presented itself at the start with five riders, one of them however wearing a face mask. This was Moira Barrett, team mechanic who was told by the team's DS to put on the team's equipment and take to the start, pretending to be the fifth rider that had fallen ill. Barrett also went on to sign the start sheet. All of this was done in secret within the team, but was later uncovered. The UCI has taken action against members of the team that were present due to the absurdity of the act and the clear breaking of rules.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

"Identity doping" ? Cynisca cycling's attempt to race ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...st-cynisca-cycling-team-after-wild-fraud-case

A domestique = one that stay at home ?

 

[Sciatic]

"Identity doping" ? Cynisca cycling's attempt to race ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...st-cynisca-cycling-team-after-wild-fraud-case

Wait, maybe I didn’t know this—can a team not compete if it doesn’t have a full lineup (whatever the particular race says is the team size)?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Wait, maybe I didn’t know this—can a team not compete if it doesn’t have a full lineup (whatever the particular race says is the team size)?

I don’t know if the rules changed since but in 2006 TdF due to the doping investigation/allegations T-Mobile started with 7 while CSC and AG2R started with 8 and weren’t allowed to replace those riders. Then I’ve thought recently we’ve had some races when the team started short.

 

[Netserk]

It depends on the race, but you normally need at least 5 riders to start.

 

[Sciatic]

It depends on the race, but you normally need at least 5 riders to start. That was also why Liberty Seguros/Astana (with Contador) couldn't start the 2006 Tour (they needed 6 back then when a full team was with 9 riders).

Thanks, I can imagine why the big races would have strict parameters on team size, but surprised that it’s the case for most races.

 

[Netserk]

On second thought, that might have been a post-hoc justification regarding Astana, in reality being told by ASO to stay away: https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2006/astana-asked-to-pull-out_sto914831/story.shtml

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Thanks, I can imagine why the big races would have strict parameters on team size, but surprised that it’s the case for most races.

I assume the rules are there to force the teams to race their riders and not try to cut costs.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

The UCI rules mean that the organisers could have told the team, "It's OK, we're allowed to allow you to start with 4." Did the team never ask if it was OK? Did the race organisers forbid it? I'm not sure that the rules above allow the organisers to forbid it. Having people ride under false identities obviously cannot be allowed, but given the circumstances (I assume the mechanic was not going to be that much of an asset on the road), the punishment seems unduly harsh.

 

[joseph89]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

 

[Ripper]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

Well that's just more than a little depressing

 

[Mayomaniac]

Well that's just more than a little depressing

Reminds me of old stories about Italian granfondo heroes...

 

[Red Rick]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

Game's gone back baby

 

[Sciatic]

Well that's just more than a little depressing

Doesn’t quite top this story from 2023 track and field!

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/02/1202959552/runners-track-meet-india-drug-tests

For our entertainment, would love to see the appropriate doping agency offer an (unpublicized) all-expense paid trip for several testers to “vacation” in Teide (or similar) for two weeks during the busiest altitude training camp schedule. And then see how many teams depart camp early because of passport problems, COVID tests, food-borne illness, unfriendly hoteliers, etc, etc.
That sounds kind of cruel of me, but I think it’s unfortunate that despite a lot of money & effort put into doping control in cycling (compared to minimal efforts in other sports) there are giant loopholes teams/riders can exploit.

 

[awavey]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

I just saw that story on GCN, like wtaf that's 70% drop out, you almost accept some will dope at amateur level, but on that level that is shocking

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

This is both the funniest and most depressing piece of news I've read the whole week lmao

 

[repre]

This is both the funniest and most depressing piece of news I've read the whole week lmao

nah it's funny, we all know everybody does that)) even at that level people remain people

 

[Cookster15]

Well that's just more than a little depressing

Agree, but why is the game back (as Red Rick puts it)? This was an amateur race? Ridiculous. It would also be interesting to know what they were doing?

 

[Unchained]

Oops, doping control? Three quarters of the peloton in the Spanish amateur race give up early due to the presence of doping authorities

Even in cycling races of a lower level, riders can be subject to doping control and some will now be aware of this. During the sixth round of the Spanish amateur race Interclubs Vinalopo, no fewer than 130 of the 182 riders in total gave up because the Spanish anti-doping authorities were on site.

Oei, dopingcontrole? Drie vierde van het peloton in Spaanse amateurkoers geeft vroegtijdig op door aanwezigheid van dopingautoriteiten

Ook in wielerwedstrijden van minder hoog niveau kunnen renners aan een dopingcontrole onderworpen worden en dat zullen sommigen nu wel geweten hebben. Tijdens de zesde manche van de Spaanse amateurkoers Interclubs Vinalopo gaven maar liefst 130 van de in totaal 182 renners op, omdat de Spaanse...

m.nieuwsblad.be

A version of this is in the news section of Cycling News

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766033588372349321

View: https://twitter.com/RideAero/status/1766033588372349321

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766020194403537059

View: https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1766020194403537059

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766022042795577473

View: https://twitter.com/velo_bristol/status/1766022042795577473

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766058992277577879

View: https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1766058992277577879

 

[ice&fire]

That must have been the most cost effective anti-doping action ever. They don't even need to send samples to the labs.

 

[Red Rick]

Not strictly doping news, but cycling is definitely not the only sport with absolute wonderkids popping up. In speed skating, Jordan Stoltz won the WC triple at the 500/1000/1500m for the first time in history at the ripe young age of 18, before doing it again this year.

Then he decides that winning the WC sprint is too easy, so he goes to the WC allround and deletes everyone on the 2 short distances while also doing top 10 times on the long 5000 and 10000m

 

[Armchair cyclist]

(as mod)
Let's put it here:
It seems very difficult, to say the least, to take references in various rider threads, particularly those who are or were at Jumbo/Visma, to the "Food App" at face value rather than as a euphemism for doping, so can we just drop it in non-clinic threads as of now.

Maybe there will be a reason to specifically refer to it, but unless good reason is very clearly indicated, it has reached the limit of 'Most Reasonable Interpretation' being plausible.

 

[shadowrider]

(as mod)
Let's put it here:
It seems very difficult, to say the least, to take references in various rider threads, particularly those who are or were at Jumbo/Visma, to the "Food App" at face value rather than as a euphemism for doping, so can we just drop it in non-clinic threads as of now.

Maybe there will be a reason to specifically refer to it, but unless good reason is very clearly indicated, it has reached the limit of 'Most Reasonable Interpretation' being plausible.

I continue to find it extremely strange that referring to the infamous food app is not allowed in the regular forum. Of course, also doping, which is still common. But it is now much more sophisticated and extremely scientific. Banning this and only allowing in the clinic is not only extremely hypocritical, but also often creates artificial discussions on the forum. As if doping would no longer exist.
Other forms of cheating, deliberately hindering riders, combines, etc. are apparently allowed to be discussed on the forum.
With this policy and only allowing doping discussions in back rooms, you are only playing into the hands of those teams that consciously use doping in their program.