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theyoungest

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Libertine Seguros said:
Yup, strange that the World Tour doesn't seem to include any kind of keeping the races alive. Hard to argue that the WT is about prestige when it fills its pockets on new races with no history or tradition and doesn't try to protect races that have that.

If the Vuelta al País Vasco goes belly up, the sport is doomed not just in Spain but everywhere. If a race with such passionate support as that can't survive but white elephant events with no fans and parcours that offer no challenge can, what's the f***ing point?
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Come on Libertine, don't be so naive. $$$$$$$$ is what it's about, in cycling as in life in general.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Yup, strange that the World Tour doesn't seem to include any kind of keeping the races alive. Hard to argue that the WT is about prestige when it fills its pockets on new races with no history or tradition and doesn't try to protect races that have that.

If the Vuelta al País Vasco goes belly up, the sport is doomed not just in Spain but everywhere. If a race with such passionate support as that can't survive but white elephant events with no fans and parcours that offer no challenge can, what's the f***ing point?
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There is a reserve fund to make up shortfalls in funding - it was used for Plouay last year (innering did a blog about it recently). I've no idea how much money is available, or what the conditions for using it are.

Still, my understanding of the article is that it's WT status is threatened rather than it's entire existence. As an HC race it would surely still attract a good field., and of course passionate support.
 
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Libertine Seguros

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Duartista said:
There is a reserve fund to make up shortfalls in funding - it was used for Plouay last year (innering did a blog about it recently). I've no idea how much money is available, or what the conditions for using it are.

Still, my understanding of the article is that it's WT status is threatened rather than it's entire existence. As an HC race it would surely still attract a good field., and of course passionate support.
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Yea, until McQuaid realises he has a nice empty spot on the WT calendar and forces the teams to send their riders to the Tour of the UAE, or the Tour of Somewhere With Loads Of Money That Would Really Suit A Parcours Ideal For The Riders McQuaid's Brother Manages.
 
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cipollini-ricco-should-forget-about-cycling

Thought this was a great read. Cipo is awesome.

“Where are those who have ridden with Ricco now? Those who were with him then, where are they now? In this world of sharks, nobody, nobody is there. Mercy and love are words we are taught as children. We must give him strength and we must reach out for him."

Someone tweet this to Greg Henderson and the rest of the tw@tter peloton.
 
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An ex teammate of Cipollini wrote on his fb page that it sounds all like a great pubblicity for his own brand (giving as gift a bike and telling him not to use it for riding????:confused:) and for ending on newspapers.
 
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ricco also wasn't happy about the story...
he says it's all made up by gazzetta,cipo never said that to him.ricco says lots of bullshiit as we already know but gazzetta dello sport is not trustful either

riccardo riccò ‏ @riccardo_ricco
Nessuno mi ha mai detto che devo pensare ad altro nemmeno cipollini l articolo di stamattina è tutta una montatura

Io mi sto allenando per tornare quello che dicono i giornali o la gente lo porta via il vento!!!!!

Sciacalli di merda
 
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18-Valve. (pithy)

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Michele said:
An ex teammate of Cipollini wrote on his fb page that it sounds all like a great pubblicity for his own brand (giving as gift a bike and telling him not to use it for riding????:confused:) and for ending on newspapers.
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I think so, too. It's obvious what's going on here. Good thing Cipo's ex-teammate had the balls to say it, though...
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Yup, strange that the World Tour doesn't seem to include any kind of keeping the races alive. Hard to argue that the WT is about prestige when it fills its pockets on new races with no history or tradition and doesn't try to protect races that have that.

If the Vuelta al País Vasco goes belly up, the sport is doomed not just in Spain but everywhere. If a race with such passionate support as that can't survive but white elephant events with no fans and parcours that offer no challenge can, what's the f***ing point?
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I'm going to be honest here. I would be so disgusted I'd stop watching cycling, probably permanently
 
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Kiara is a rational girl

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RedheadDane said:
What the **** is wrong with some people?
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Since you asked, nothing. There's nothing wrong with anyone, unless you set some criteria for it... in which case 'wrongness' is totally arbitrary and inconsequential. You can dislike people who shoot people and gas stations with BB guns, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're superior to them for it. 'Kay?
 
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Kiara is a rational girl said:
Since you asked, nothing. There's nothing wrong with anyone, unless you set some criteria for it... in which case 'wrongness' is totally arbitrary and inconsequential. You can dislike people who shoot people and gas stations with BB guns, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're superior to them for it. 'Kay?
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I consider shooting to be unpeaceful action in a public place. If you agree we're all human beings and live in one society together, you can consider bringing harm to part of this society unjust and indeed wrong.

If you don't agree and pretend to be rational, I'm done.
 
Red Rick

Red Rick

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Kiara is a rational girl said:
Since you asked, nothing. There's nothing wrong with anyone, unless you set some criteria for it... in which case 'wrongness' is totally arbitrary and inconsequential. You can dislike people who shoot people and gas stations with BB guns, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're superior to them for it. 'Kay?
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So you're arguing that i should have the same amount of respect for someone who's shooting random people as for myself:eek:. I think that's pretty damn retarted
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Yea, until McQuaid realises he has a nice empty spot on the WT calendar and forces the teams to send their riders to the Tour of the UAE, or the Tour of Somewhere With Loads Of Money That Would Really Suit A Parcours Ideal For The Riders McQuaid's Brother Manages.
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I was going to write a post defending the UCI and arguing that this has more to do with the economic crisis in Spain - but then I read this. It costs 1m euros to organise Pais Vasco and 425,000 for the Clasica. The UCI World Tour licence (I think this is just for Pais Vasco), costs 700,000 euros.
 
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Duartista said:
I was going to write a post defending the UCI and arguing that this has more to do with the economic crisis in Spain - but then I read this. It costs 1m euros to organise Pais Vasco and 425,000 for the Clasica. The UCI World Tour licence (I think this is just for Pais Vasco), costs 700,000 euros.
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That fee paid to the UCI seems really excessive. I wonder how much GCP pays to the UCI for their races to be part of the WorldTour?

The UCI's reserve fund, which can be used 'to support a UCI ProTeam or the organiser of a UCI WorldTour event in the event of temporary
difficulty' (see rule 2.15.245). They gave money to the organisers of GP Ouest-France last year to help it keep going. If they can save that race that I doubt many fans are that passionate about (or are even aware of, especially in comparison to these Basque races), then I'm sure they could stump up the €150,000 to Organizaciones Ciclistas Euskadi.

Especially seeing as their reserve fund was €3,888,501 at the end of 2009 (page 6) and €3,053,549 at the end of 2010 (page 5).
 
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Kiara is a rational girl

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Arnout said:
I consider shooting to be unpeaceful action in a public place. If you agree we're all human beings and live in one society together, you can consider bringing harm to part of this society unjust and indeed wrong.

If you don't agree and pretend to be rational, I'm done.
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That would be setting a criteria for wrongness. It's arbitrary; there's nothing sacrosanct about a peaceful society. Call it wrong if you like, but there's nothing more in it than an opinion.

Red Rick said:
So you're arguing that i should have the same amount of respect for someone who's shooting random people as for myself:eek:. I think that's pretty damn retarted
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No, I'm not. You respect people for subjective reasons (and that's fine). Respect is personal... it's only in your head.
 
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