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[tgsgirl]

That was Kohl

Schumacher signed for Quick Step which to say Paolo Bettini was not impressed about it would be the understatement of the year. Perhaps he knew something we all didn't.

*must not type frantically while on the run, must not type frantically while on the run*
Of course it was that other cheat. Sorries!

the results he got them when no one else in the team could win anything!

2009: 12 victories - 3 for Evans
2008: 19 victories - 4 for Evans
2007: 24 victoires - 2 for Evans
2006: 24 victories - 2 for Evans
2005: 32 victories - 1 for Evans

And Issoisso is right on why Bettini quit. Cold hard cash.

 

[luckyboy]

Shouldn't all this Evans stuff be in a different thread?

 

[auscyclefan94]

*must not type frantically while on the run, must not type frantically while on the run*
Of course it was that other cheat. Sorries!

2009: 12 victories - 3 for Evans
2008: 19 victories - 4 for Evans
2007: 24 victoires - 2 for Evans
2006: 24 victories - 2 for Evans
2005: 32 victories - 1 for Evans

And Issoisso is right on why Bettini quit. Cold hard cash.

In 2009, if you don't include gilberts wins the rest of the wins were from minor races! Evans got a lot of high placings in gt's in the years listed!

 

[auscyclefan94]

They got Popovych for him. And Popo had a terrible year. They bust their left nuts getting Bernhard Kohl for him, and Kohl turned out to be a fraud (gs, amongst your salient points I thought I'd be pedantic - it was the OTHER Belgian classics squad that signed Schumacher). They got Dekker for him, and Dekker was a fraud. They got Moreno for him, and Evans said 'sayonara, I'd rather have a much better mountain team who will help me. Like Ballan and Burghardt, yea!" Sure, Lotto sometimes couldn't provide him with enough help. But that was not because of lack of effort - they were doing everything they could for him. It was for lack of ability.

Besides, nobody blew the 2008 Tour for Evans but Evans himself. Nobody blew the 2009 Dauphiné for Evans but Evans himself. The 2009 Vuelta was just terrible luck. But, conversely, Evans let Lotto down at the 2009 Tour. There aren't too many teams that could have done a much better job for him. Astana? Sure, but they have Contador. Saxo? Sure, but they have the Schlecks. Columbia? Don't care about GCs, and it's the team he left to go to Lotto anyway. Caisse? Probably, but they have Valverde, who may not be as good a GC candidate (even though he's won one, which Cuddles hasn't) but offers more success in a much broader range of events. Liquigas? They've got four different GC candidates now, the boat is full. Lotto might have mismanaged Evans a bit, but that's mostly due to not really having the experience of dealing with GC candidates' race calendars and so on. BMC don't have that experience either.

Yes, lotto were just saints and evans was so bad to them.

Not worth a reply. Surely you have a better knowledge of cycling to make a comment like that.

 

[Von Mises]

You mean that team that took him on when no one believed in him? That team that made his TdF fantasy one of their two yearly priorities (besides classics' season, they are Belgian after all)? That team that invested heavily in him? That team he then stabbed in the back as soon as he finally won something?

It's under Lotto that Evans got all of his successes. All of his wins. Well, all of his near wins. They transfered themselves into a GT player just for him. I'm not saying they had the team of the century for him. I'm not saying that the squad didn't let him down at times. But Lotto, as a management, did a lot for Evans. He did very little for them in return.

What and where did Lotto invest in GT sense? Nothing. They give Evans a chance and he took it. But thats it. Evans gave them 3 GT podiums, world champ, Romandie win and several other high placements.
I am not critizising Lotto, I dont know what they promised Evans, and if they are designed as classics team, thats ok. I dont understand the noise how heavily they unvested in GT-s. They didnt.

 

[ak-zaaf]

What and where did Lotto invest in GT sense? Nothing. They give Evans a chance and he took it. But thats it. Evans gave them 3 GT podiums, world champ, Romandie win and several other high placements.
I am not critizising Lotto, I dont know what they promised Evans, and if they are designed as classics team, thats ok. I dont understand the noise how heavily they unvested in GT-s. They didnt.

Popovych wasn't exactly free, Cioni wasn't volunteering either. Kohl and Dekker were unlucky, but they did contract them for Evans.
That's not even counting small things, like having their own group of chefs at the tour to avoid French pasta.
Lotto did about as much and maybe even more than most teams would to pleasure their GT hopeful. They got nothing in return.

 

[luckyboy]

Lloyd and Wegelius too. And did they sign Moreno before or after they knew Evans was leaving.

Anyway, he had more help than he does now.

 

[tgsgirl]

Like I said, I'm not trying to pretend like they were Discovery or Liquigas. But they did buy domestiques for him and they did go from being a classics team to a classics + GT team.

In 2009, if you don't include gilberts wins the rest of the wins were from minor races! Evans got a lot of high placings in gt's in the years listed!

Your point was that no one else won anything for them when Evans was there. Clearly, you were wrong. They even had a GT jersey whilst Cuddles was with them, and he wasn't the Aussie that won it!

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Popovych wasn't exactly free, Cioni wasn't volunteering either. Kohl and Dekker were unlucky, but they did contract them for Evans.
That's not even counting small things, like having their own group of chefs at the tour to avoid French pasta.
Lotto did about as much and maybe even more than most teams would to pleasure their GT hopeful. They got nothing in return.

+1

evans was ungrateful, always one to point the blame elsewhere. I make it no secret how much i dislike the guy and his attitude.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yes, lotto were just saints and evans was so bad to them.

Not worth a reply. Surely you have a better knowledge of cycling to make a comment like that.

Well, what did Lotto sign Popovych, Cioni, Dekker, Kohl, Lloyd, Wegelius and Moreno for, then? To help Hoste over the cobbles?!

Evans may not have got all the help he wanted, but it wasn't because Lotto weren't trying to help him. Maybe Lotto were naïve in their idea of how to be a GC team. But maybe Evans was unreasonable in his expectations of a team that needs to have a strong presence in the Classics. And if he didn't fire the excuse cannon everytime anything goes wrong, maybe people would be receptive to his complaints when he does have a case, rather than going, oh jeez, Cadel's moaning again. It's almost like he needs to have the security blanket of something to use as an excuse so he doesn't have to blame himself. The 2008 Tour was there for the winning, and he didn't do anything. He could have attacked on Hautacam, he could have made himself some friends in the lead group to try to limit Sastre's gains. The 2009 Dauphiné was there for the winning, but he sat idly by expecting others to do the work while Valverde disappeared off into the distance, and lost by a handful of seconds he never had to lose in the first place.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well, what did Lotto sign Popovych, Cioni, Dekker, Kohl, Lloyd, Wegelius and Moreno for, then? To help Hoste over the cobbles?!

Evans may not have got all the help he wanted, but it wasn't because Lotto weren't trying to help him. Maybe Lotto were naïve in their idea of how to be a GC team. But maybe Evans was unreasonable in his expectations of a team that needs to have a strong presence in the Classics. And if he didn't fire the excuse cannon everytime anything goes wrong, maybe people would be receptive to his complaints when he does have a case, rather than going, oh jeez, Cadel's moaning again. It's almost like he needs to have the security blanket of something to use as an excuse so he doesn't have to blame himself. The 2008 Tour was there for the winning, and he didn't do anything. He could have attacked on Hautacam, he could have made himself some friends in the lead group to try to limit Sastre's gains. The 2009 Dauphiné was there for the winning, but he sat idly by expecting others to do the work while Valverde disappeared off into the distance, and lost by a handful of seconds he never had to lose in the first place.

Dekker - turned to be a doper
Kohl - before he was even with lotto turned out to be a doper
Lloyd - other than in the dauphine he has been a tad dissapointing
Wegelius - reasonable climber but really never stayed with evans on the climbs that much when he needed him
Popovych - did absolutely nothing
Cioni - (same as wegelius)

The only reasonable support evans had was horner and lotto let him go and didn't sign him up.

With a rider who had finished 2nd on the podium, the team themselves said that they didn't prepare well enough to support evans and the team admitted that their support was not up to scratch for evans.

yes I agree evans was naive to rely on contador to chase valverde in the Dauphine on the Ventoux.

When you have a major crash like he did it would affect you. Even on flat stages in 2008 Evans was on his own and was sitting 2nd wheel of the peleton behind ogrady as saxo had everyone their and lotto had nobody their.
After the final tt stage evans ****ed blood and I don't think he could of rode any harder than he did. But I guess that's an excuse. libertine (assuming you are spainish) you do have a bias against evans as he doesn't like valverde who is a big star of spainish cycling.

Lotto announced that evans would be riding the giro before they even consulted him!

I think evans could of handled a few things better than he did but lotto was predominantly to blame. Not going to try to convince TLR that it was lotto who was the problem!

 

[tgsgirl]

Dekker - turned to be a doper
Kohl - before he was even with lotto turned out to be a doper
Lloyd - other than in the dauphine he has been a tad dissapointing
Wegelius - reasonable climber but really never stayed with evans on the climbs that much when he needed him
Popovych - did absolutely nothing
Cioni - (same as wegelius)

So your problem with Lotto is that their crystal ball was faulty?

 

[auscyclefan94]

So your problem with Lotto is that their crystal ball was faulty?

Pretty much

 

[tgsgirl]

Alright, good to know that reality doesn't factor in at all!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Alright, good to know that reality doesn't factor in at all!

they obviously made some poor choices...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

they obviously made some poor choices...

Yea, but your point was that they offered him no help. My point was that they did, it wasn't their fault that for various reasons the help they got him wasn't sufficient. I mean, before they were at Lotto you'd think that getting a highly rated youngster (Dekker), a solid and highly-rated ex-Discovery domestique (Popo) and the King of the Mountains (Kohl) was actually a pretty good set of mountain helpers.

It wasn't that Lotto weren't TRYING to help Evans, it's that their plans were derailed by faulty predictive abilities and things out of their control.

 

[DAOTEC]

Cyclist severely injured

Tour de Israel accident: International cycling event opens on wrong foot after female cyclist falls in Golan Heights

Hagai Einav |Published: 03.08.10, 13:03 / Israel News

A female bicyclist on Monday was severely injured after falling and hitting her head near the Golan Heights city of Katzrin.

Magen David Adom Yarden District treated the 30-year-old cyclist on the scene, and she was later evacuated via Lahak Aviation Emergency Medical Services Helicopter to Haifa's Rambam Medical Center.

Head of police transportation unit at Galilee District, Superintendent Eitan Raz told Ynet, "At around 11 am the race passed through the Golan Heights city of Katzrin. One of the female cyclists rode at high speed and passed over a speed bump, which made her lose control of the bicycle, flip over and injure her head. Transportation unit investigators are examining the evidence and collecting testimonies from eyewitness."
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Deputy Manager of MDA Yarden region Shimon Avitbul said, "The woman sustained severe injuries to her head after she was tossed off her bicycle. She received blows from both the bicycle and the road. An MDA medical team stabilized the bicyclist's condition and escorted her on the Lahak Aviation helicopter.

<Cyclists ride through the Golan Heights
The race kicked off Sunday morning in Nahariya and its first day came to a close at the Mount Hermon site. Monday morning the cyclists resumed the race from Kfar Giladi and are slated to ride through the Golan Heights and finish the day at the Nazareth amphitheater.

The event's organizers considered canceling the race after police demanded a payment of NIS 214,000 (approximately $56,500) to close traffic routes from the northern border and all the way south to Eilat.

The Tour de Israel country-wide cycling event is recognized by the world's leading professionals in the field. One-hundred-twenty-four cyclists, 44 of them foreigners, registered for the first of its kind event in the Holy Land.

According to the program, the five-day race will cover 768 km (477 miles). The scenic route will pass by the Mediterranean Sea, Galilee Mountains, Mount Hermon peak, the Sea of Galilee, Beit She'an and Nazareth. From there, the cyclists will ride along the Jordan Rift Valley and the Dead Sea, through Masada to the Negev mountains and finally reach Eilat.

 

[ak-zaaf]

For those who understand Dutch and can watch Belgian public channels: tonight is part 2 of the documentary series 'De Flandriens' from 21.10 until 22.10 CET.

Tonights part is about the 70's: the struggle between Leman and Godefroot, Eddy being the patron and De Vlaeminck just being awesome.

 

[DAOTEC]

March 8, 2010 --

The European Cycling Union (UEC) came together this weekend in Ankara Turkey. One of the decisions was the granting of the European Championship on the road in 2011. That honor fell to the Italian city Offida (Le Marche), that this year allready the world championships for juniors organizes from August 5 to 8. The Championship will be held from 14 to 17 July 2011. Raining European champion is Belgian Kris Mans Boeck. He won the title at home in Belgiums Hooglede-Gits. Dutch girl Chantal Blaak won the title in the women road race.

"This is really a great result - commented Gianni Spaccasassi president of Cycling Enthusiasts Society, who is also chairman of the Committee Organizer of World Junior Champion in 2010 - partly because.
SCA Offida, is the local organizing committe that did beat competition from other NCF applications. => tuttobiciweb

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[auscyclefan94]

Yea, but your point was that they offered him no help. My point was that they did, it wasn't their fault that for various reasons the help they got him wasn't sufficient. I mean, before they were at Lotto you'd think that getting a highly rated youngster (Dekker), a solid and highly-rated ex-Discovery domestique (Popo) and the King of the Mountains (Kohl) was actually a pretty good set of mountain helpers.

It wasn't that Lotto weren't TRYING to help Evans, it's that their plans were derailed by faulty predictive abilities and things out of their control.

Lets just agree to disagree...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Lets just agree to disagree...

So your stance is that Lotto signed Evans expressly with the purpose of leaving him on his own and ruining his career, and that's why he isn't a multiple GT winner? Sounds like you believe the Cuddles line rather too readily.

 

[luckyboy]

Leif Hoste gets a suspended sentence for assaulting a man outside Mr Lanterne Rouge's retirement party.

Jan Ullrich and Lance's kids have something in common

 

[theyoungest]

Kai Reus has Pfeiffer's disease. It's already in a late stage, so he shouldn't be out for too long, but this guy sure doesn't have any luck.

 

[Big GMaC]

Leif Hoste gets a suspended sentence for assaulting a man outside Mr Lanterne Rouge's retirement party.

Jan Ullrich and Lance's kids have something in common

This just in! Lance claims to love someone else more than himself!

 

[DAOTEC]

Auschwitz PR ...

67th Tour of Poland - Stage scedule and teams made public:

1.8. - 1. etap, Sochaczew - Warszawa (173,1 km)
2.8. - 2. etap, Rawa Maz. - D¹browa Górnicza (239,8 km)
3.8. - 3. etap, Sosnowiec - Katowice (133,1 km)
4.8. - 4. etap, Tychy - Cieszyn (175,9 km)
5.8. - 5. etap, Jastrzêbie Zdrój - Ustroñ (151 km)
6.8. - 6. etap, Oœwiêcim - Bukowina Tatrzañska (228,5 km)
7.8. - 7. etap, Nowy Targ - Kraków (140,3 km)

Teams: 18 Pro-Tour formations + wildcards: Vacansoleil, Cervelo, BMC Racing, Skil-Shimano and the Polisch Nat. team.

Tour of Poland reflects on the Holocaust

Wednesday 27 January 2010
In Poland, the former Nazi concentration camps Auschwitz and Birkenau to commemorate victims of the Holocaust. Today, January 27, it is exactly 65 years ago that prisoners in the death camp were liberated.De organizers of the 67th Tour of Poland, which will take place from 1 to August 7, will also reflect on this tragic event.

The sixth stage of the Tour of Poland will start in Oswiecim (better known as Auschwitz), near the place where the occupiers decided to build the Auschwitz concentration camp in World War II where the terrible Holocaust took place. The sixth stage, on August 6 is driven, the 'Queen stage' and probably decisive stage of the Tour of Poland and is about a distance of 240 kilometer from Oswiecim to Bukowina Tatrzanska arrival with a hill.

"We think it is important that we reflect on the Shoah (or Holocaust)," repeated Czeslaw Lang again, Director-General of the Tour of Poland.
"The sixth stage will start from the center of Oswiecim after the riders jointly and appropriately ride to the former concentration camps Auschwitz I and Auschwitz II riding to Birkenau. Here the riders get off at the gate with the sadly famous phrase" Arbeit macht frei " (Work makes man free) and one minutes silence will be observed.

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