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It makes little sense.
Why would you insist though that the ones on the podium have to be women?RedheadDane said:
It makes little sense.
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Well if you hold this opinion then what's the problem with having podium men? You both say the women are happy doing this wonderful job then what's the problem having men also doing it in the same races? Personally I think it's tacky to have either but as long as we have it then what's the issue have both sexes doing it.
Valv.Piti said:Its all political correctness and it sucks. Podium girls like, some love their job. If I was a girl I would die to be a podium girl during a Tour, seriously... it sounds like an amazing job. Even if you aren't a cycling fan I would imagine its pretty nice. Certainly one of the best summer jobs around.LaFlorecita said:Personally I think the debate is a bit odd because the most vocal opponents of podium girls are men
These women aren't forced to do it and it seems like they enjoy it, well at least the majority. No one seems to have asked their opinion?
Is it right to take away their job?
Brian Holm is totally right
Well if you hold this opinion then what's the problem with having podium men? You both say the women are happy doing this wonderful job then what's the problem having men also doing it in the same races? Personally I think it's tacky to have either but as long as we have it then what's the issue have both sexes doing it.
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You've got a point there; it does make little sense they're women. However, it's not something I'm insisting, it's just the way things are, and I just don't see any issue with that in terms of it being objectification of women. Suppose the issue here isn't prejudice towards women, but prejudice towards the idea of men kissing men, or women kissing women, since it seems more an more women's races have begun using "podium guys".
Maybe... maybe the focus shouldn't be so much on the kissing part, but more on the fact that the "Podium People" are models representing the brands sponsoring the various jerseys.
Jagartrott said:
You've got a point there; it does make little sense they're women. However, it's not something I'm insisting, it's just the way things are, and I just don't see any issue with that in terms of it being objectification of women. Suppose the issue here isn't prejudice towards women, but prejudice towards the idea of men kissing men, or women kissing women, since it seems more an more women's races have begun using "podium guys".
Maybe... maybe the focus shouldn't be so much on the kissing part, but more on the fact that the "Podium People" are models representing the brands sponsoring the various jerseys.
Claudia Cretti woke up from her coma, she seems to have no lasting brain damage from the crash in the 7th stage in the Giro Rosa
From all the prologue possibilities in Lisbon, they choose to do Avenida India. :redface:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Volta_a_Portugal_em_Bicicleta_Santander_Totta_2017_Startlist
Just look at this. That's so bad. Must be the worst ever 2.1 startlist in the history of this category.
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Volta_a_Portugal_em_Bicicleta_Santander_Totta_2017_Startlist
Just look at this. That's so bad. Must be the worst ever 2.1 startlist in the history of this category.
spoke to some guys in sibiu. nobody wants to ride the volta a portugal, that's why the very poor startlist.
Tour Cycliste International de la Guadeloupe (2.2) Prologue Pointe a Pitre › Pointe a Pitre
Race/stage cancelled.
Prologue cancelled due to insults against women UCI commissaire
Now, how is the podium miss situation out there?
Race/stage cancelled.
Prologue cancelled due to insults against women UCI commissaire
Now, how is the podium miss situation out there?
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It's a .1 race, so not a massive amount of UCI points to be had, you can race a couple of short stage races and a one day race in that time, each worth the same, because the race is 11 days long. So the choice for many estrangeiros is, take on nearly two weeks of being battered mercilessly by the domestic motorbikes and picking up scraps in 30-40º heat, or take your chances with races like Burgos (.HC), Ain, Czech Republic, Limousin, many of which you might stand more chance of getting a win in, and are worth no fewer points. I understand it, but I think it's as much the fault of the UCI points system as it is the Volta, though the obvious trails of destruction wrought by the August machines don't exactly help it look like an inviting race to outsider teams.DNP-Old said:
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I hope next year Froome aims for the Giro-Tour-Volta treble. On a serious note, name some non-Portuguese(/based) cyclists you believe would genuinely win the Volta. Would it take someone as big as Kwiatkowski or realistically would it only require someone like Talansky?
Libertine Seguros said:
I hope next year Froome aims for the Giro-Tour-Volta treble. On a serious note, name some non-Portuguese(/based) cyclists you believe would genuinely win the Volta. Would it take someone as big as Kwiatkowski or realistically would it only require someone like Talansky?
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Talansky would lose the Volta, no doubt about that.
Heck, even Lampre, who came in 2009 with all guns blazing (Cunego, 2xtime MTF winner a few weeks later at the Vuelta; Tiralongo, 8th in that Vuelta; Santambrogio, winner of Tre Valli Varesine a couple of days later), couldn't do more than 11th at the GC (with Tiralongo) and a couple of podium stage finishes.
TMP402 said:
Talansky would lose the Volta, no doubt about that.
Heck, even Lampre, who came in 2009 with all guns blazing (Cunego, 2xtime MTF winner a few weeks later at the Vuelta; Tiralongo, 8th in that Vuelta; Santambrogio, winner of Tre Valli Varesine a couple of days later), couldn't do more than 11th at the GC (with Tiralongo) and a couple of podium stage finishes.
To be fair though, 2009 was one of the last super power Voltas, a year after the LA-MSS scandal and with the final year of Liberty, plus Cândido still going strong. A couple of years later they were winning stages with Gavazzi with little trouble.
Caja Rural have taken three stagiares from their amateur team - Gonzalo Serrano (22), Óscar Pelegrí (23) and Manuel Sola (25). The former two have had strong seasons, Sola's been flitting between Continental Pro and amateur for a while. The team obviously think it's too soon for a couple of their standout espoirs, Xavier Cañellas being just 20 makes some sense, but surprised to see Serrano and Sola given the call ahead of Mauri Moreira and Álvaro Cuadros.
Interestingly, one of the most noteworthy Spanish prospects, Fernando Barceló, who came out of the Specialized Fundación Contador team and is presently riding with the Fundación Euskadi but is from Aragón, and who managed to show his potential riding for the national team in the Vuelta a Asturias where he was 3rd on the Alto del Acebo, beaten only by Nairo Quintana and a nuclear form Raúl Alarcón, is to also be a stagiare, but as both Movistar (who seldom take on stagiares anyway) and Caja Rural tend to be inward-looking for their own amateurs, he will be riding with Cofidis who of course have significant sponsor interest in Spain.
Caja Rural have taken three stagiares from their amateur team - Gonzalo Serrano (22), Óscar Pelegrí (23) and Manuel Sola (25). The former two have had strong seasons, Sola's been flitting between Continental Pro and amateur for a while. The team obviously think it's too soon for a couple of their standout espoirs, Xavier Cañellas being just 20 makes some sense, but surprised to see Serrano and Sola given the call ahead of Mauri Moreira and Álvaro Cuadros.
Interestingly, one of the most noteworthy Spanish prospects, Fernando Barceló, who came out of the Specialized Fundación Contador team and is presently riding with the Fundación Euskadi but is from Aragón, and who managed to show his potential riding for the national team in the Vuelta a Asturias where he was 3rd on the Alto del Acebo, beaten only by Nairo Quintana and a nuclear form Raúl Alarcón, is to also be a stagiare, but as both Movistar (who seldom take on stagiares anyway) and Caja Rural tend to be inward-looking for their own amateurs, he will be riding with Cofidis who of course have significant sponsor interest in Spain.
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To be fair, it's not difficult for a foreign sprinter to dominate the sprints in the Volta. Especially after Cândido retired, Cardoso going to the WT and with the traditional lack of pure sprinters in Portugal.
The most prominate case being Bauhaus in 2014 or 2015, who as a 20 year old 2nd year sub-23 rider was capable of winning 2 stages.
Libertine Seguros said:
To be fair, it's not difficult for a foreign sprinter to dominate the sprints in the Volta. Especially after Cândido retired, Cardoso going to the WT and with the traditional lack of pure sprinters in Portugal.
The most prominate case being Bauhaus in 2014 or 2015, who as a 20 year old 2nd year sub-23 rider was capable of winning 2 stages.
2020 Volta Catalunya due to depart from Alghero, Sardinia
reported in the paper edition of the Nuova Sardegna today.
Alghero has a Catalan speaking enclave and thus the cultural link
reported in the paper edition of the Nuova Sardegna today.
Alghero has a Catalan speaking enclave and thus the cultural link
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And it's not the first time the Volta races there, either.
Last time was in 1986. Sean Kelly won a Volta a Catalunya ITT in Alghero.
That catalan link is why there are so so many sardinians and descendants of sardinians with the surname Catalano
TourOfSardinia said:2020 Volta Catalunya due to depart from Alghero, Sardinia
reported in the paper edition of the Nuova Sardegna today.
Alghero has a Catalan speaking enclave and thus the cultural link
And it's not the first time the Volta races there, either.
Last time was in 1986. Sean Kelly won a Volta a Catalunya ITT in Alghero.
That catalan link is why there are so so many sardinians and descendants of sardinians with the surname Catalano
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btw Sardinia != Sicily
Thanks for the 1986 info.GuyIncognito said:TourOfSardinia said:2020 Volta Catalunya due to depart from Alghero, Sardinia
reported in the paper edition of the Nuova Sardegna today.
Alghero has a Catalan speaking enclave and thus the cultural link
And it's not the first time the Volta races there, either.
Last time was in 1986. Sean Kelly won a Volta a Catalunya ITT in Alghero.
That catalan link is why there are so so many sicilians and descendants of sicilians with the surname Catalano
btw Sardinia != Sicily
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Haha what was I thinking writing that, sorry
I'll edit it to not confuse anyone
TourOfSardinia said:Thanks for the 1986 info.GuyIncognito said:TourOfSardinia said:2020 Volta Catalunya due to depart from Alghero, Sardinia
reported in the paper edition of the Nuova Sardegna today.
Alghero has a Catalan speaking enclave and thus the cultural link
And it's not the first time the Volta races there, either.
Last time was in 1986. Sean Kelly won a Volta a Catalunya ITT in Alghero.
That catalan link is why there are so so many sicilians and descendants of sicilians with the surname Catalano
btw Sardinia != Sicily
Haha what was I thinking writing that, sorry
I'll edit it to not confuse anyone
Vuelta 2018 to begin with a time trial in Malaga - hasn't been specified yet whether it's individual or team, though I don't think it will be hard to guess.
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