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GEOX will take over Footon a 50 mil bonus for Gianetti

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auscyclefan94 said:
Can they legally do that? Wouldn't they be binded in some type of contract that they have to back the team for a certain period of time?
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The article is not really clear on that:

En effet, la marque de chaussure qui a annoncé son arrivée il y a seulement quelques mois pourrait se retirer du cyclisme professionnel suite à la décision de l'UCI de ne pas lui attribuer l'une des 18 licences Pro-Tour. Pourtant, le repreneur de Footon-Servetto avait tout mis en oeuvre pour obtenir cette dernière, avec notamment le recrutement de Denis Menchov et Carlos Sastre. En vain.



"In fact, the shoe-brand which announced its arrival in the sport only several months ago, could withdraw from professional cycling following the decision of the UCI not to award them one of the 18 ProTeam licenses. However, the follow-up of Footon-Servetto had put all their efforts into securing it, especially by recruiting Denis Menchov and Carlos Sastre. In vain."

It doesn't say whether they could legally do it, it just sais they could do it (... pourrait se retirer du cyclisme professionnel)
 
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Such a nonsense...the team will be most likely at the Giro, Tour, Vuelta and every other important race, Geox would pull out over a status which is pretty meaningless for such a stong team.
 
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many italians DT are just former pro-cyclist with no real managerial capacity who pretend to have the ability to manage budgets and problems linked to a PT team.
they even do not speak good english, they do not know rules, habits, clauses of business.
gianetti is the typical example of carelessness of this kind: he involved a sponsor like geox without knowing well the PT licensing rules and even the point system, exposing a world known brand to a bad situation.
for sure geox knows how to do a contract, i don't know if gianetti does.
this time gianetti does not lack the money, he is just short of skills and capacity in managing a business at that level

this cultural arrearrage is one of the reason of italian crisis in cycling.
with the exception of liquigas this is patent: just remember the ferretti-ericsson affair or look at the fact that lampre every year has trouble in getting his PT status.
 
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Geox should probably have known better than throw all that money at the guy who almost killed himself with PFC and allowed his star racers to dope (Ricco, Mayo, etc...), that probably didn't help with the UCI's decision.

Surey Geox had other investing opportunities in cycling ?
 
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They've got what they deserved. Gianetti gathered the team that is good only in GTs. Didn't he know that world calendar include other races by the way? He's not a beginner in pro cycling. No sprinters, no classic riders (apart from Colli)... BMC gained PT licence mostly thanks to Evans, but when to look and compare BMC and Geox squads not counting Evans, Menchov and Sastre, BMC is way stronger. What Gianetti did, gathering Team Geox, is one big fail.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Kump won the Junior Ronde and has wins and good placements in stage races with flat and undulating stages, he'll be at least a decent classics guy in a few years' time.
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also felline will be a classic guys in few years yime
they call him the italian valverde. he can climb and he is very fast, especially in small groups
he is the best italian prospect for the classic, maybe
 
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also felline will be a classic guys in few years yime
they call him the italian valverde. he can climb and he is very fast, especially in small groups
he is the best italian prospect for the classic, maybe
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Nah, I think that one still goes to Oss. I still think he is someone to watch next year, perhaps not for a win, but I think he'll play a role in the classics
 
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Nah, I think that one still goes to Oss. I still think he is someone to watch next year, perhaps not for a win, but I think he'll play a role in the classics
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daniel oss is 1987, very important career in the under23 with zalf, italian best team. liquigas. he will be in his third year as a pro. in 2010 he performed very well in M-SR 8 (more than 1000 m au bloc chasing pozzato and putting bennati in ideal position for the sprint), he was 5th in ghent, did well in flanders.
he also won the giro del veneto, an italian semiclassic that is important in the italian calendar. he was caught close to the finish line( 3km) in bordeaux, TDF. he was selected for the worlds. i
in my eyes, he is more than a prospect,he is already one of the best italian for cobbles.

fabio felline is 1990, only one year amateur, he will be in his second year. footon, not liquigas. very good in harelbeke , 5th. he won circuit de la sarthe winning two stages, big surprise.
in my idea, he is prospect. i am curious to see what he can do.

felline can win in a sprint, oss has probably to arrive alone ( or almost) to win.
oss is quite similar to ballan ,felline really do not know.

in italy,experts think that felline can bring back the times of italians dominating one day racing. the only fear os that he has completely skipped the U23 level. oss is expected also for a great career.
oss is with liquigas, best italian team. felline is with giannetti....
 
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Well, Fabio Felline, Marko Kump, Daniele Ratto. They are promising, but not yet a matured classic riders. Maybe some of them will make 2011 breakthrough, but by now they are no more classic riders than Enrique Mata is a sprinter :)
 
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Kvinto said:
Well, Fabio Felline, Marko Kump, Daniele Ratto. They are promising, but not yet a matured classic riders. Maybe some of them will make 2011 breakthrough, but by now they are no more classic riders than Enrique Mata is a sprinter :)
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you are right, i agree.

anyway, gianetti was not able to sign riders with enough PT points to garantee PT status to his sponsor.
he has to work hard to get invitations to the giro and tour.
so he has to hope that some of this rider perform well in the first races of the year, to score some results to support his quest.
we will see if geox will be invited to tirreno and paris-nice : this will be very important sign for the rest of the season.

both kvinto and myself said , talking about kump and felline in a few years they will...
probably gianetti cannot wait that time: he has to give visibility to geox
 
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Interesting the thing about Liquigas owning the team and Geox planning on doing them same. I didn't know that. Are there any other teams where the sponsor is also that involved to the point of actually owning their own team? Usually you have a separate company like Slipstream or Riis cycling that owns the team and the sponsor is just there as financial backers. I think this is an interesting thing and could provide some longevity for teams. Then again if the sponsor like Liquigas decides that they are through with cycling then the team is most likely finished as well.
 
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Good news indeed, and frankly Gianetti is a bit of an embarrassment to everyone, thanks to his "past" and many failures as a Manager/DS. It beats me that he's still around actually.

ingsve said:
Interesting the thing about Liquigas owning the team and Geox planning on doing them same. I didn't know that. Are there any other teams where the sponsor is also that involved to the point of actually owning their own team? Usually you have a separate company like Slipstream or Riis cycling that owns the team and the sponsor is just there as financial backers. I think this is an interesting thing and could provide some longevity for teams. Then again if the sponsor like Liquigas decides that they are through with cycling then the team is most likely finished as well.
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Yes, that's news to me too, but nothing new really...until Guimard and Fignon created their "sporting company" when Renault dropped them that's how things worked in cycliing, they figured it would be more to their advantage financially speaking and that way companies didn't need to have any inside knowledge of cycling...we see where that has led !
 
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rxgqgxnyfz said:
So basically, it's all based on ... nothing? Just something that one journalist made up to fill in the page during no news season? Nothing but his musings?

And the title by cyclingnews makes it look like it's official statement from GEOX?

Heh. Typical.
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it's typical bs that cyclingnews.com take over because like most they hate gianetti
 
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