Geraint Thomas, the next british hope

[sniper]

So Ramon Koran's hypothesis is that the list was fabricated to make Sky riders look dodgy?
Yikes.

 

[vedrafjord]

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I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2. It is definitely not credible at all. What's more just looking at the list it seems to be favor the French riders are clean and eastern riders are all on drugs... I don't believe Thomas is clean but that list is a joke and shouldn't be used as an argument that he is doping.

Just because some dopers scored low doesn't mean that the high numbers are clean... on the contrary, it shows that the test is biased towards no false positives so the high numbers are extremely suspicious. Also you could dope and be very diligent about keeping your parameters plausible and get a low score. Maybe G was sloppy back in the day.

 

[sniper]

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Just because some dopers scored low doesn't mean that the high numbers are clean... on the contrary, it shows that the test is biased towards no false positives so the high numbers are extremely suspicious. Also you could dope and be very diligent about keeping your parameters plausible and get a low score. Maybe G was sloppy back in the day.

well argued, difficult to deny.

it's clear i think that the higher you move up that list, the more meaningful the numbers become.
Scoring low on that list can mean a variety of things.
Scoring high on that list can mean only one thing.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Just because some dopers scored low doesn't mean that the high numbers are clean... on the contrary, it shows that the test is biased towards no false positives so the high numbers are extremely suspicious. Also you could dope and be very diligent about keeping your parameters plausible and get a low score. Maybe G was sloppy back in the day.

well argued, difficult to deny.

it's clear i think that the higher you move up that list, the more meaningful the numbers become.
Scoring low on that list can mean a variety of things.
Scoring high on that list can mean only one thing.

If all the others have been caught why hasn't Thomas? Is it possible Thomas irregular blood values were something other than doping hence why he has not been caught. Surely Thomas along with knees being the only 6 or above not to be caught shines a lot on the fact that despite more testing they were never caught and there for not guilty?

 

[The Carrot]

The Dawg's time is up, G will shift far more Pinarellos when he wins the Tour.

 

[veganrob]

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Just because some dopers scored low doesn't mean that the high numbers are clean... on the contrary, it shows that the test is biased towards no false positives so the high numbers are extremely suspicious. Also you could dope and be very diligent about keeping your parameters plausible and get a low score. Maybe G was sloppy back in the day.

well argued, difficult to deny.

it's clear i think that the higher you move up that list, the more meaningful the numbers become.
Scoring low on that list can mean a variety of things.
Scoring high on that list can mean only one thing.

If all the others have been caught why hasn't Thomas? Is it possible Thomas irregular blood values were something other than doping hence why he has not been caught. Surely Thomas along with knees being the only 6 or above not to be caught shines a lot on the fact that despite more testing they were never caught and there for not guilty?

Despite more testing? You can't be serious.

 

[harryh]

Thomas got dropped by ~10 dopers on the final climb today.

 

[Benotti69]

.@GeraintThomas86: "I'm going to have a nice drink tonight."

French journo: "What do you mean by that?"

GT: "Gonna get hammered."

David Walsh will have to spin some more Sky guff about 'hammered' being a marginal gain.....

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Thomas got dropped by ~10 dopers on the final climb today.

I thought you Sky fans were so keen on evidence?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/cycling/geraint-thomas-interview-the-olympic-gold-winning-cyclist-on-doping-learning-welsh-and-craving-a6722961.html

I still feel the effects of Lance Armstrong's cheating It was such a big lie, and he made all this money from cheating everyone. So people are still interested in the controversy, and it's why we still get doping questions directed at "Froomey" [this year's Tour de France winner, Chris Froome] and Team Sky all the time. It's a shame because if I do a good ride now, people wonder if I'm doping. You don't get that in any other sport. History will prove that I was doing it the right way.

Geraint Thomas is the one lying here. People aren't "interested in controversy" they compare you to Lance because you put out the same mutant power numbers as him. But hey, I bet Geraint is dumb enough to believe the propaganda they drill into his head at Sky HQ, he was a big Lance believer in 2012 after all

I'm pretty sure I saw a video of G fawning all over Lance calling him a legend etc, it's disappeared now of course.

Let me know where to upload it.

 

[Winterfold]

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The Dawg's time is up, G will shift far more Pinarellos when he wins the Tour.

^^ 100% this

 

[thehog]

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I'm sorry but that list has horner on 0, hincapie on 1 and schleck on 2. It is definitely not credible at all. What's more just looking at the list it seems to be favor the French riders are clean and eastern riders are all on drugs... I don't believe Thomas is clean but that list is a joke and shouldn't be used as an argument that he is doping.

The UCI Suspicion index was based the biological pass tests up to July 2010, include one from the Tour de France. The passport testing was seldom until about 2009.

The ratings were based on the riders' individual biological passport values up to the event, and included the readings of the first blood test performed on July 1, 2010, just prior to the Grand Départ.

The UCI used the following criteria for the index:

Sudden drop in hemoglobin one month before the summer of 2010 which could point to an important loss of blood possibly destined to be re-injected during the Tour.

Suspicion of EPO use during the 2009 Giro.

Hematocrit, hemoglobin or stimulation index superior to 2010 values, which could have led to a start ban before the UCI rules were changed

It’s fairly well known that Hincapie got off the sauce post Discovery when he went to the “new” t-mobile (highroad).

Horner was left out of the 2009 Tour, didn’t race a whole lot in 2008, his 2010 was unusually impressive.

 

[thehog]

Sorry but couldn't help but notice this quote:

David Millar of Garmin-Cervelo was outspoken in his outrage against not only the contents of the list but also the fact that it was leaked.

"This list should never have been released, never. The UCI, some of their people should be fired for this," he told the Reuters news agency. "It's shocking ... A major investigation should go on into what exactly they are doing with this model."

"I'm as clean as a whistle, my team [are] the cleanest guys and I have 100 percent faith in what we do. It's a bit mad,” Millar said. "To see us in the middle of the list, it's like - are you joking? It's scandalous."

 

[sniper]

Sorry but couldn't help but notice this quote:

David Millar of Garmin-Cervelo was outspoken in his outrage against not only the contents of the list but also the fact that it was leaked.

"This list should never have been released, never. The UCI, some of their people should be fired for this," he told the Reuters news agency. "It's shocking ... A major investigation should go on into what exactly they are doing with this model."

"I'm as clean as a whistle, my team [are] the cleanest guys and I have 100 percent faith in what we do. It's a bit mad,” Millar said. "To see us in the middle of the list, it's like - are you joking? It's scandalous."

What is it that Millar hates so much about whistleblowers?

 

[Maxiton]

Sorry but couldn't help but notice this quote:

David Millar of Garmin-Cervelo was outspoken in his outrage against not only the contents of the list but also the fact that it was leaked.

"This list should never have been released, never. The UCI, some of their people should be fired for this," he told the Reuters news agency. "It's shocking ... A major investigation should go on into what exactly they are doing with this model."

"I'm as clean as a whistle, my team [are] the cleanest guys and I have 100 percent faith in what we do. It's a bit mad,” Millar said. "To see us in the middle of the list, it's like - are you joking? It's scandalous."

Where's the quote from? Do you have a link?

 

[sniper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riders-react-to-leaked-uci-suspicion-list-from-2010-tour-de-france/
insane.
Millar has been pushing the omerta for years on end like none other.

 

[The Hitch]

If you use terminology like "100%" "we are the cleanest" "outrageous" then that means you are definitely clean.

 

[BigMac]

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Thomas got dropped by ~10 dopers on the final climb today.

If a doper gets dropped by a doper, is it fairplay?

 

[Rollthedice]

For those who understand French a good article in Liberation

http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2016/03/13/geraint-thomas-un-nouveau-froome-chez-sky_1439361

 

[harryh]

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If a doper gets dropped by a doper, is it fairplay?

I think it is, what about you?

 

[BigMac]

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If a doper gets dropped by a doper, is it fairplay?

I think it is, what about you?

I think they had it coming, not necessarily fair to the rest.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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For those who understand French a good article in Liberation

http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2016/03/13/geraint-thomas-un-nouveau-froome-chez-sky_1439361

That incident with the banana peel in Moscow... Gotta love a joker.

 

[thehog]

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http://road.cc/content/news/182402-team-sky-has-new-training-method-theyre-keeping-it-under-wraps

Here we go (again). It's gonna be a long summer for clinicians.

It’s a bizarre article, considering Kerrison had Thomas doing hill repeats in Tenerife and not racing 2 years back. Thomas thought it was stupid and his form matched. Following year Thomas was back racing in early season for the Classics.

Nevertheless I don’t see Thomas as a Classics rider. He is not strong enough. He is better suited to 1 week Tours and GTs.

Team Sky plans to arrive for its classics campaign via Tenerife, a small Spanish island off the western coast of Africa, and to skip Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico in early March. Geraint Thomas confirmed his plans for Milan-San Remo, the Ronde van Vlaanderen, and Paris-Roubaix on Sunday at the Tour of Qatar.

“There’s a bit of that risk,” said Thomas. “It’s worth giving it a good go; I don’t see why it shouldn’t work. It might be a couple of percentages either way. Maybe in April it might be totally different or it might go really well.”

Thomas, Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel and others will travel to the team’s high-altitude base in Tenerife next month. It is the same location, at 2,165 meters, that Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome and the GC team used ahead of winning the 2012 Tour de France.

The classics squad will race the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne semi-classics at the end of February, go home for a week and then leave for Tenerife. They will train on the island, roughly half the size of Delaware, for around two weeks or until San Remo on March 17.

The decision means that the team will deviate from the standard classics route via the Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico stage races. However, it allows Sky to tailor its riders’ training instead of going along with the race rhythm.

Sky performance trainer Tim Kerrison is behind the riders’ programs. If it works, as it did with the Tour, he will be hailed as a training guru. If it fails, he and the riders may be the joke of the peloton.

Thomas said that other teams have yet to try such a plan because cycling is too rich in tradition.

“I think it’s typical cyclist mentality, what they used to do in Merckx era,” Thomas said. “It’s tradition and stuff, and cyclists get stuck in their ways.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/sky-picks-tenerife-camp-no-paris-nice-tirreno-for-classics-prep_273930#SyJ3BXFdzjG83LoK.99

 

[Echoes]

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I think they had it coming, not necessarily fair to the rest.

"Not necessarily"? &#128528

I'd say not at all but everybody has his own moral compass.

 

[BigMac]

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I think they had it coming, not necessarily fair to the rest.

"Not necessarily"? &#128528

I'd say not at all but everybody has his own moral compass.

Sorry, English got me. Of course, not at all to the clean sect of the ''rest''.