Gerdemann

[blackcat]

lighten up he was making a joke. i found it kinda amusing myself.

the implication being that linus isn't a real contender and the idea would carry more weight if say contador or schlecklet was to do it instead
the implication of the LA quote being lance thought of linus and a nobody when he made the original quote

actually, if one had followed Linus' career, one would realise he could be a contender. First race almost on CSC, he got a late contract, after the season started, he wins a stage in TdSuisse, would have been 22 I think. Then jumps ship to TMob. Wins a stage of the Tour, or did he just take yellow, I think he just took yellow, the stage that the Colombian kid from Triplets of Belville won, Soler.

Injuries injuries. Then on Milram, which have obviously had a dictate from on high, to keep their medical program to a bare minimum.

If one saw Ciolek, you would have thought at Wiesenfof and TMob, the kid was the second coming. He won about 3 stages in 2007 Deutschland for TMob. Won for Wiesenhoff about 2 in 2006. Won the 2005 National pros, being Ete and Frosi in a field sprint, as an 18yo. Same year, wins u23 champs in Freiberg Austria I belive. Beats Khautuntsev and Feillu with two Dutch including Gesink in the top 5. Cav was about 12th. May have been top 10.

Ciolek had speed.

Gerdemann had GC potential. Riis saw him as a potential Ullrich, and nothing in his first 3 years in the peloton showed that to be false.

He trained with Voigt in Berlin.

Guy is a big talent, when he has the right preparation, see:medical program. Milram could not afford to have anyone flying above the radar, in Germany, post-Ullrich. It is a different climate.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What do you mean? Cyclist starts with a "c".

Right, and some cyclists with "Travis"... But good to know we have a new teacher here. I always wanted to improve my english.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why should Lance have more test than other racer? He didn't think it through when he said he would use this guy. Like I'm gonna go to work tomorrow and ask to be drug tested more than the hungover dude in the next office. Lance has never failed a test so why would he do this. Let's get Mother Theresa and Ghandi to pis in a cup every morning.

Beside this guy has no credibility versus what was available. When Damgard said he would test Astana then that is the best anyway. Look how many Saxo riders failed the test. Zero. Catlin isn't that good or he hasn't proven he is that good to prove a clean team.

Sad news I'm afraid - Ghandi & Mother Theresa are dead, just like Catlins anti-doping strategy for Lance.

 

[dickwrench]

Right, and some cyclists with "Travis"... But good to know we have a new teacher here. I always wanted to improve my english.

Look English is not my first language. I don't know what you mean. What is "Travis"?

Let move on. You and Dr. Maserati are hijacking this thread with these diversions. If you want to talk spelling and Catlin then start a new thread adn I will line each of you out there. I'm new and don't want trouble.

 

[buckwheat]

Why should Lance have more test than other racer? .

Because there are uhm, suspicions about uhm, Pharmstrong. aka 12 cylinder man.

"Those forceful assertions of innocence by the 12 Cylinder Man are being tested by a disturbing new book"

Here's a primer for you.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1111865/index.htm

 

[buckwheat]

Yeah, this linus guy whatever. All I know is Lance said he didn't know who he was when he was talking smack about him when he was coming back. That says all anybody needs to know about how much press this stunt deserves. Linus who? Anybody named after that dirty dude on Peanuts comics has no credibility when it comes to clean cycling.

Many think Pharmstrong is the real dirty dude of cycling.

BTW, the dirty dude in the Peanuts was Pigpen.

Tera Patrick for President.

Also Tera Patrick ain't a dude but she is dirty. The chancre's every month or so aren't worth it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Look English is not my first language. I don't know what you mean. What is "Travis"?

Let move on. You and Dr. Maserati are hijacking this thread with these diversions. If you want to talk spelling and Catlin then start a new thread adn I will line each of you out there. I'm new and don't want trouble.

That´s funny. I tought the same of you. This thread is about Gerdemanns idea to be absolute transparent. It´s not my mistake if posters don´t realize what a thread is about. The LA-Thread is somewhere else.

Travis was my mistake, i meant Taylor (Phinney) and he´s the only one who has the right to talk about clean doping... er ... clean cycling, but not the little unknown untalented Linus from this poor european country.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It´s all true what you said in your last two posts. But real cycling fans understand the difference, they not only read mainstream stuff and don´t believe in PR-Talk by some cheating americans....

Whilst true, real cycling fans only make up a minority of people who'll be paying attention in July. The TV guides will use Lance as the picture to sell the race, more people will watch the freeview coverage with Phil and Paul (same as the US coverage) than will watch the more balanced and informed Eurosport coverage. And all of the myths will be perpetuated.

But i also understand people who jump on everything against Valverde since he is one of 3 Riders who are convicted dopers but never were banned.

So everything about this 3 riders must be uncovered until they get their just punishment.

But while it's fair that everything about them should be uncovered, I'm not going to pay any heed to him being attached to Humanplasma until there is a source for it other than somebody with an axe to grind in the situation, as the Italian authorities have. Valverde is guilty as sin - but not of links to Humanplasma. But because Valverde is Valverde, and we know he's doped or is doping, we'll lap it up and say 'he's been attached to a third doping case' despite there being no evidence presented to us as yet of his involvement in the third. Many cycling fans are making the assumption that, because Valverde is a known doper, that he must be guilty of these as-yet unsubstantiated accusations. Is that really so different from the non-cycling fan making the assumption that, because there are a multitude of doping positives in cycling*, because Gerdemann is a cyclist, he must be guilty too?

*I use this phrase rather than 'dopers' because a lot of sports operate a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. Football has a major problem. The number of players dying on the field from heart-related problems was 4 in the 1970s, 4 in the 1980s, 8 in the 1990s (plus one who died after a ball struck his chest) and 22 in the 2000s. That's a staggering increase. Cycling isn't that bad - and for one thing the deaths are investigated, whether it be proven to be natural (Friederik Nolf) or lead to drugs busts (Bruno Neves), even if it isn't cycling authorities that investigate. Arsène Wenger announced in an interview in 2004 that he thought players he was signing were being doped with EPO at their previous clubs, and of course four major football clubs were named in Operación Puerto. Fuentes didn't go any further with it, saying he'd been receiving death threats from fans and threats of legal action from teams. 22 of the 92 league teams in England and Wales - including 5 from the Premiership - are on at least one strike for helping players skip drugs tests, of which they take an average of 4 in a season. Compare that to Menchov's 42 tests last year. But just like with Lance, though this stuff is all in the public domain, it's well glossed over by the authorities, and because it's a mainstream sport, the public are all too willing to gloss over it and play ignorant if it helps their team.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Wow, i go to sleep wake up and you guys wrecked my thread, thanks for trying libertine.

So who should be his chaperone? Someone from the UCI, WADA, tv, someone who has spoken out against doping like Antoine Vayer? Ferrari, so if he pulls it off he can claim Linus could have won with the right treatment.

Still I think the claim is impresive but to make it happen would be a mammoth effort on someone else's behalf, noone will do it. For Lance sure discovery could make a doco, but for Linus...

Actually Morgan Spurlock (supersize me) gets my vote. He can make fat people interesting, surely he could make someone not taking drugs interesting.

To make things interesting you could give the task to AFLD... that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

I'd say it should be someone like Vayer, somebody from WADA, or the university professor mentioned in the article. I'm sure they could make a viable documentary of it if they expanded the role of the chaperoning from just 'stay there to note no doping is taking place' to being something of an 'inside the Tour de France' docu. It would be a minority concern, but then so are Eurosport's Inside Grand Prix features with the Williams team.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

For a major sponsor... not sure maybe a sports insitution or a scientist... perhaps that Danish guy (forget his name)who did the paper on blood doping,ie hemocratt does not go up/stay level for 3 weeks while racing, forget his name at the moment.. he would proberly like Linus´ blood parameters to add credence to his studies.

According to the article, Gerdemann has already volunteered to make all of that data available, and the personal surveillance idea is additional to that.

 

[ludwig]

Much doping is done during training periods, this kind of surveillance is probably only possible during the race therefore not that effective.

I would also assume that gynaecologist visits would be exempt.

The intention might be good, but in reality just a PR gimmick.

I am also skeptical, for these reasons.

For this kind of thing to be credible it should be proposed several months in advance. If Gerdemann is serious and he submits to surveillance starting now, it would be an interesting experiment. But it's too late for this.

Remember when Brad McGee proposed this kind of thing? Nothing came of it. But it's been a long time since any pro cyclist was even willing to propose it, so kudos to Gerdemann for that.

 

[buckwheat]

But it's too late for this..

Really? The rest days are crucial "re charging" days for the likes of Prance. If you got all Gerdeman's parameters now and he was watched carefully during the race it would go a long way to showing that he's clean. Remember that when you come off of the recovery products there can be a huge psychological and physiological drop. It would have to be shocking to the body to go into that much of a recovery deficit when you need to be jacked the most so I'll bet he's clean. An also ran GC finish would insure it in my mind.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He was also willing to submit his blood passport data to scrutiny and to be observed for a period prior to the Tour (not defined how long said period would be) in order that he couldn't just take stuff beforehand. If he's transparent with his blood data, in order to do enough to counteract the fact that he won't be able to 'recharge' on rest days or anything, then were he to be doping he would need to do something significant pre-race, and that would show up in the blood data.

It's a shame that we're openly looking for loopholes we're expecting to potentially be exploited. Maybe Linus Gerdemann just has every intention of riding the Tour clean, and because his name's been smeared in the past, he has every intention of sticking two fingers up metaphorically at those responsible for said smearing, by going out and doing it (rather than sticking two fingers up literally, which is more Cavendish's territory).

 

[dickwrench]

I am also skeptical, for these reasons.

For this kind of thing to be credible it should be proposed several months in advance. If Gerdemann is serious and he submits to surveillance starting now, it would be an interesting experiment. But it's too late for this.

Remember when Brad McGee proposed this kind of thing? Nothing came of it. But it's been a long time since any pro cyclist was even willing to propose it, so kudos to Gerdemann for that.

Now that's what I'm taking about.

This Linus guy is nothing but a stunt. Instead of scouting the tour climbs and learning the slope like the champions the other rider are out roiding up out of the reach of the testers. Then Linus rolls in and says they can test during the tour.

This is just like Simoni when he caried his bike across the finish. Then he wants to slam Lance's coach. Linus will get chased down this tour and put in his place with his stunt.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Now that's what I'm taking about.

This Linus guy is nothing but a stunt. Instead of scouting the tour climbs and learning the slope like the champions the other rider are out roiding up out of the reach of the testers. Then Linus rolls in and says they can test during the tour.

This is just like Simoni when he caried his bike across the finish. Then he wants to slam Lance's coach. Linus will get chased down this tour and put in his place with his stunt.

And here is you:

... seems you have no idea why Gerdemann will do this, so please go back to your LA-Troll-Thread...

 

[Oncearunner8]

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[SpartacusRox]

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[FoxxyBrown1111]

You didn´t read that right. I tried to stay on topic (Ullrich, Gerdemann etc.). But once in a while someone tries to twist every thread into a LA-Thread. I am not crying, never started the fire...

P.S.: And when every single post is meant sarcastic it´s getting boring, because we could re-name the thread "Comedy in cycling". I´d have no problem with it...

 

[palmerq]

Interesting idea... it would be good for german cycling i think.. and for milram too who are lacking a sponsor and the germans seem to have a low opinion of cycling right now... so maybe this could restore their faith... It would make good television... Although i hope this doesnt become the norm for all pro cyclists thats taking things a bit far.

 

[karlboss]

gerdemann did pretty well last night.

 

[Roninho]

gerdemann did pretty well last night.

Don't know about that, but he had a good finish in yesterdays stage!