Giro 2012 Field Discussion/Rumours

[Ryo Hazuki]

by rujano, scarponi. just like last years giro

and in the hilly stage the downhil si short and. nibali may take 20 seconds. he needs minutes

 

[Eshnar]

by rujano, scarponi. just like last years giro

Rujano will lose between 3 and 4 minutes in the descent. Nibbles can just wheelsuck Scarponi til the top of Giau and then gain a nice 2 minutes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

rujano doesn't lose time in descents. maybe if it rains. but not more than 30 seconds or less

and nibali can't wheelsuck scarponi. he will drop and nibali isn't a better downhiller than scarponi either. we saw in lombardia 2010

 

[hrotha]

rujano doesn't lose time in descents. maybe if it rains. but not more than 30 seconds or less

and nibali can't wheelsuck scarponi. he will drop and nibali isn't a better downhiller than scarponi either. we saw in lombardia 2010

If you're going to judge riders based on a single race day, you could say Nibali outclimbed Scarponi several times in the 2011 Giro.

 

[Eshnar]

rujano doesn't lose time in descents. maybe if it rains. but not more than 30 seconds or less

On the descent of Giau? It's one of the hardest. Rujano got dropped in the "descent" of Grossglockner...

we saw in lombardia 2010

yes
And in Asolo 2010, Gardeccia 2011 and in that Vuelta 2011 stage I don't remember we saw the opposite.
edit: and in Zoncolan 2011 we saw Nibbles can handle quite well the steep climbs.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

On the descent of Giau? It's one of the hardest. Rujano got dropped in the "descent" of Grossglockner...

yes
And in Asolo 2010, Gardeccia 2011 and in that Vuelta 2011 stage I don't remember we saw the opposite.
edit: and in Zoncolan 2011 we saw Nibbles can handle quite well the steep climbs.

nibali always has 1 good day in a gt. zoncolan, bolas del mundo etc. but in giro he needs more than 1 really good day in the mountains. he was very lucky not to lose minutes in the finestre stagem let's not forget and rujano lost a massive 5 seconds in that grosslgocker downhil, because of the snow and was back immediately. find me a descent in which rujano dropped. pls

 

[Eshnar]

nibali always has 1 good day in a gt. zoncolan, bolas del mundo etc. but in giro he needs more than 1 really good day in the mountains. he was very lucky not to lose minutes in the finestre stagem let's not forget and rujano lost a massive 5 seconds in that grosslgocker downhil, because of the snow and was back immediately. find me a descent in which rujano dropped. pls

I can't. There weren't descent finishes last year. But I can find a couple of climbs in which he was dropped.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

rujano was sick in last year final week. he had anti biotics. that's what made his performance so amazing. especially the finestre stage

 

[hrotha]

nibali always has 1 good day in a gt. zoncolan, bolas del mundo etc. but in giro he needs more than 1 really good day in the mountains.

Seriously? How do you explain Etna then?

Nibali usually has one bad day in the mountains, not one good day.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Seriously? How do you explain Etna then?

Nibali usually has one bad day in the mountains, not one good day.

etna is his climb. he lives and traisn there. it suits him perfectly. long and not too steep and very regular. but he wasn't really that great on it either. he couldn't follow rujano and contador for sure

nibali is always consistant and never really breaks. but he's limited in many things and has one veryg ood day usually. because he's consistant he can do well in gc's. he is only lucky to have ever hit the podium. basso softpedaling in giro 2010 and szmyd last year and rujano's sickness. the vuelta he won he was lucky anton crashed out. nibali has a lot of luck which is another good point about him but you can't always be lucky.

 

[roundabout]

I read on cn a few months ago that cunego and pettachi stated they will ride the tour and not the giro. Cunego stating he would ride the same program as last year but not the Olympics as the course does not suit him. Pettachi said no giro ad he wanted to target the green jersey again

Cunego has raced a lot this year already

One can argue that he races a lot normally but a schedule of Paris-Nice, Sanremo, Catalunya, Pais Vasco, Amstel (?), Trentino, Liege and Giro is quite a lot.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes, exactly I was joking with Pistolero.

Seriously, that's a terrible mistake that they send him to the Giro, especially in this year Tour, where he has a chance of winning it.
Par contre, RadiosSchlecks should go to the Giro, they have zero chance in the Tour.

If you were joking what's the joke ?

 

[The Hitch]

in the 17th stage nibali will be long dropped, before that final downhil. stage 12 that downhil is an easy and short one. you can't really take time there.

So which downhills did shark have last year ?

 

[The Hitch]

etna is his climb. he lives and traisn there. it suits him perfectly. long and not too steep and very regular. but he wasn't really that great on it either. he couldn't follow rujano and contador for sure

nibali is always consistant and never really breaks. but he's limited in many things and has one veryg ood day usually. because he's consistant he can do well in gc's. he is only lucky to have ever hit the podium. basso softpedaling in giro 2010 and szmyd last year and rujano's sickness. the vuelta he won he was lucky anton crashed out. nibali has a lot of luck which is another good point about him but you can't always be lucky.

Basso softpedal? Dude Basso and nibali dropped frickin cadel Evans on the mortirolo, a climb that does not suit nibali.
They also dropped him on grappa just before the top and as he got back to them nibali showed that his descending skills are better than that of scarponi.

 

[airstream]

Are there any climbs in the Giro that don't suit Nibali?

 

[Eshnar]

Are there any climbs in the Giro that don't suit Nibali?

the guy can go well everywhere.

 

[Ferminal]

Are there any climbs in the Giro that don't suit Nibali?

Rocca di Cambio, can't take any time on it

 

[Eshnar]

Anyway... Lampre are sending both Scarponi and Cunego to the Trentino. That means they're both aiming to the Giro. If Liquigas wants to win they can't rely on Basso alone.

 

[Froome19]

Anyway... Lampre are sending both Scarponi and Cunego to the Trentino. That means they're both aiming to the Giro. If Liquigas wants to win he can't rely on Basso alone.

Nah Cunego said he is definitely not doing the Giro.

 

[Eshnar]

Nah Cunego said he is definitely not doing the Giro.

Cunego is going to the Giro. He wrote it in his site's forum. It's not official though.

 

[Froome19]

Cunego is going to the Giro. He wrote it in his site's forum. It's not official though.

must have changed his mind
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cunego-to-skip-giro-focus-on-classics-and-worlds

 

[Eshnar]

must have changed his mind
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cunego-to-skip-giro-focus-on-classics-and-worlds

yeah he did.
Anyway, the decision to skip FW to race Trentino speaks for itself.

 

[gustienordic]

yeah he did.
Anyway, the decision to skip FW to race Trentino speaks for itself.

But what will his role be at the Giro, super domestique for Scarponi? With Scarponi, he's not going to have any freedom.

 

[Eshnar]

But what will his role be at the Giro, super domestique for Scarponi? With Scarponi, he's not going to have any freedom.

It wouldn't be the first case ever of two captains in the same team...

 

[The Hitch]

Nah Cunego said he is definitely not doing the Giro.

Tell that to Cunego

I mean, pardon me if i trust Cunego's word on this more than that of someone who waltz's into a discussion, without even bothering to keep up to date nor read the posts that came before and declares that Cunego won't do the Giro, and everyone is therefore wrong, based on a story from 2 months back.