Giro 2012: Route Rumours / Our wishes

[Ryo Hazuki]

it's better to send kittel to the giro for the first 2 weeks than degenkolb

 

[craig1985]

I'm annoyed that FDJ have to race the Giro, honestly who do they have that would make them better than some of the wildcard teams for the Giro? I don't see any shame in FDJ having a private meeting with RCS that they don't offer much for the Giro and the French races on at that same time are more there target demographic than racing in Italy with a B-team.

AG2R justify a spot because of Gadret and Dupont, Saxo Bank don't because Contador won't be riding even if he is cleared by the CAS and I don't rate their Giro line-up. Euskaltel and BMC are also border-line teams in giving them an invite to the race.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

fdjeux always want to ride the giro eventhough they suck and so do saxo but haedo has good chance of winning stages if he's helped out well

 

[Libertine Seguros]

CSF have Pozzovivo. Which means he can get ill and drop out of contention and eventually out of the race before they get to the part of the race he's actually good at yet again. Farnese Vini have Guardini, and with a bunch of crappy flat stages that might be as valuable as Pozzato. A&S and Androni are pretty much givens.

Marco Polo aren't ProContinental or as far as I know attempting to be, so they couldn't ride the Giro. Champion System are the only team I think fits that bill, though they aren't Chinese (aren't they Taiwanese though, which means that they have China in their official country name?). Team Type 1 had some decent results in Italy last year but I struggle to see what they'd actually bring to the race unless the Efimkins suddenly return to their 2007 Vuelta form. NetApp would probably bring as much as them, for goodness' sakes, though they have fewer Italians I guess. Coldeportes would be the most fun of the mooted possibilities.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Just so long as they don't invite any Colombian rubbish.

 

[Fus087]

Champion System is licensed in Hong Kong, not Taiwan.
So not quite mainland China, but for all intents and purposes it is a Chinese team.

A possible Giro team could be Kirsipuu, Ojavee, Kemps, Manan, Gardeyn, M.A.H. Othman, Kin-San Wu, Beuchat and Avery. Some interesting riders for sure, but nonetheless not quite GT material (for some, not yet, for others, not anymore).

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I'd expect both CSF and Farnese Vini (pozzato, gatto, guardini) to get invites. Aswell as androni and A&S.

how many spots.. 22?

maybe CSF would miss out, it4i and coldeportes an outside chance i think.

 

[Eshnar]

Dunno exactly where to post this, I chose this thread...
Here's the complete profile of the sterrato climb of stage 6.

Nevermind, the first ramp of this climb won't be raced

 

[Ferminal]

I'm glad someone found it, I tried mapping it once and kept getting lost.

2.3km @ 14.65% with a 20% ramp on sterrato is simply epic.

Then the steepest part of the next section looks like 1700m @ 11%.

Again this just makes me more angry, given the rest of the stage.

Still be praying for Rujano.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Dunno exactly where to post this, I chose this thread...
Here's the complete profile of the sterrato climb of stage 6.

Perfection personified è TheHitch's preview will be amazing.

 

[Eshnar]

I'm glad someone found it, I tried mapping it once and kept getting lost.

2.3km @ 14.65% with a 20% ramp on sterrato is simply epic.

Then the steepest part of the next section looks like 1700m @ 11%.

Again this just makes me more angry, given the rest of the stage.

Still be praying for Rujano.

If Rujano gets dropped there, he can go back home directly.

 

[Eshnar]

On Gazzetta's site appeared the timetable of each stage. There seems to be a few changes in the route. A spanish forum has them listed.
http://apmforo.mforos.com/1304540/10575373-giro-2012-ii/?pag=13
For those of you who can't read spanish, I'll make a brief recap...
Stage 1,2,3: no changes
4: the TTT has 1 km more, now it's 33.2 kms
5: the stage has 10 kms more, and the bump in the end (35 kms from the line) is changed
6: This is the most changed; the steep sterrato climb has disappeared now there's only the shallow one, and it's somewhat further from the end. In addiction, there's a new climb between Montelupone (which is now further, too) and the finish. It is basically a hilly stage, perhaps better than the original but the sterrato is faded away.
7: 3 kms more
8: only change involves the category of a climb, but the route is the very same
9: 5 kms less
10: 1 km less and the climb at the beginning is not categorized anymore.
11: 12 kms more, the largest stage.
12: only a minor change involving the first climb of the day. 1 km more
13: no changes
14: 1 km more
15: 4 kms less
16: 1 km less
17: 1 km less
18: 10 kms more
19: 1 kms more
20: 1 km more
21: 1.4 kms less. Now it's 30.1 kms

Hence, stage 12, which was in doubt, stays almost as it is, while stage 6 changes drastically

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they want to give this win to rujano on a silver platter

 

[Eshnar]

The new profiles are now available on the official website. They also added a few climb-profiles. Last kilometers not available yet though.

 

[Eshnar]

PLEASE NOTE:
- Stage 6 we already discussed, but doesn't look that bad on profile.
- Stage 9 as a nice bump a few kms to the finish
- Stage 10 is now a very hard uphill finish
I'm currently looking for other changes.

 

[roundabout]

Good job on making the first 13 stages slightly more interesting. The finish in Assisi looks quite hard. It seems there's a loop on stage 6 near the finish that looks a bit unnecessary though.

 

[Eshnar]

Good job on making the first 13 stages slightly more interesting. The finish in Assisi looks quite hard. It seems there's a loop on stage 6 near the finish that looks a bit unnecessary though.

Yes I noticed that too. It's imho due to a town paying for the Giro to pass there. I can't find other explanation. If I remember correctly, the loop was there even before the change.

 

[Ferminal]

Yes I noticed that too. It's imho due to a town paying for the Giro to pass there. I can't find other explanation. If I remember correctly, the loop was there even before the change.

It was different before, they followed the coast South before turning inland and doing a false flat for 10km before 10km back down to the finish. I guess that finish wasn't compatible with the new climb, and like you say, there was a town there which they had agreed to pass through, so they had to do a pointless loop.

 

[Ferminal]

It was different before, they followed the coast South before turning inland and doing a false flat for 10km before 10km back down to the finish. I guess that finish wasn't compatible with the new climb, and like you say, there was a town there which they had agreed to pass through, so they had to do a pointless loop.

I see what they did now, the climb out to that false flat is one they are now coming in on from with about 20km still to go. Even if there was something they had to go through out there, there is still 5km or so unnecessary flat.

 

[Eshnar]

Last bumps in stage 9.

And final climb of stage 10

 

[apmfbs]

Last bumps in stage 9.

And final climb of stage 10

An interesting finish in Assisi.

 

[apmfbs]

I like the stage to Cortina, but I think the stages of Pampeago and Stelvio will be more decissive, specially because of these two " new climbs" :
http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/s...italia/2012/tappa_19_S07.jpg?v=20120420134159



http://images2.gazzettaobjects.it/s...italia/2012/tappa_20_S03.jpg?v=20120420134452

..........if you pay attention there are 500 meters at an average of 19,4% on the Mortirolo........

 

[Eshnar]

I like the stage to Cortina, but I think the stages of Pampeago and Stelvio will be more decissive, specially because of these two " new climbs" :

The stage to Pampeago will be by far the most important stage of the race.

 

[Bavarianrider]

I really hate that TT on the last stage.
This should be a sprinter stage, would be much better.
A longer TT should be somwhere in the middle of the Giro instead.

 

[apmfbs]

I really hate that TT on the last stage.
This should be a sprinter stage, would be much better.
A longer TT should be somwhere in the middle of the Giro instead.

With a change like that, you put a sprint stage in Milan and then you put a ITT of 60 kilometers in Falzes or even between the mountain stages of Cortina and Pampeago and it would be much better in my opinion