Giro 2017 Field Discussion/Speculation

[Red Rick]

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If Quintana is in form, it's gonna be hard. But then there's few stages where Quintana can win the Giro in one go, and Quintana usually rides so agressive as to decide the GC in one go, and the TTs are not in his favour. A few riders could potentially be close enough uphill to be a danger in speculative moves, and Nibali and Landa might just reach back to glory of days gone by and straight up match him uphill.

I expect Quintana to be the best. I'm not sure that I expect him to be head and shoulders above the rest.

This is the perfect route for Quintana with the amount of climbing over 2000m - Some GC contenders will be under severe pressure.

It's not that great. Quintana's biggest edge is the hardest of mountain stages. There's like one of those. I don't know how hard he can beat everyone on his own on those uniclimb stages.

On the other hand, there's just very few dangerous intermediary stages, though the Canizei stage, which looks like a wet and proper fart, could actually be dangerous, if somebody decides to go crazy.

 

[May0maniac]

BMC:
DENNIS Rohan
DILLIER Silvan
HERMANS Ben
QUINZIATO Manuel
ROSSKOPF Joey
SENNI Manuel
TEUNS Dylan
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
VENTOSO Francisco
How many of his teammates will outclimb TJVG?

 

[torcia_86]

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BMC:
DENNIS Rohan
DILLIER Silvan
HERMANS Ben
QUINZIATO Manuel
ROSSKOPF Joey
SENNI Manuel
TEUNS Dylan
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
VENTOSO Francisco
How many of his teammates will outclimb TJVG?

Dennis and Van Garderen will not enter the top 15 even with a miracle...

 

[BalearicBeats]

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BMC:
DENNIS Rohan
DILLIER Silvan
HERMANS Ben
QUINZIATO Manuel
ROSSKOPF Joey
SENNI Manuel
TEUNS Dylan
VAN GARDEREN Tejay
VENTOSO Francisco
How many of his teammates will outclimb TJVG?

Dennis and Van Garderen will not enter the top 15 even with a miracle...

Yeah I can even see Hermans doing better than those two

 

[torcia_86]

https://www.teamsky.com/article/landa-and-thomas-to-lead-team-sky-at-100th-giro-d-italia
no viviani in team sky

 

[deValtos]

Really interested to see how Senni goes for BMC. Also curious to see Kenny Elissonde in a Sky jersey.

 

[Red Rick]

I wonder if Quintana will even allow the Dutch to get false hope again.

 

[Vasilis]

https://www.teamsky.com/article/landa-and-thomas-to-lead-team-sky-at-100th-giro-d-italia
no viviani in team sky

Curious move, I wonder how Viviani feels about that. Still, he hasn't shown much this year.

 

[Laplaz]

Navardauskas has to skip the Giro, so Nibali needs a new man...

 

[johnymax]

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Apparently this is Sky:

Landa, G, Seb Henao, Rosa, Deignan, Lopez, Ellisonde, Puccio, Viviani


Strong team if true.

Indeed, I think Seb Henao is money, I really like him as a rider. After his Giro in 2014, many I think have been disappointed in him, but he has been great this year.

The team lacks rouleurs tho. I don't agree with picking all of Deignan, Lopez and Elissonde, they basically only have Puccio to do the dirty work.

Lopez, Viviani out, Golas and Kiryienka in. Looks better. Surprised there's no Viviani but apparently they are going all in on GC.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Apparently this is Sky:

Landa, G, Seb Henao, Rosa, Deignan, Lopez, Ellisonde, Puccio, Viviani


Strong team if true.

Indeed, I think Seb Henao is money, I really like him as a rider. After his Giro in 2014, many I think have been disappointed in him, but he has been great this year.

The team lacks rouleurs tho. I don't agree with picking all of Deignan, Lopez and Elissonde, they basically only have Puccio to do the dirty work.

Lopez, Viviani out, Golas and Kiryienka in. Looks better. Surprised there's no Viviani but apparently they are going all in on GC.

Its looks much better, yup. Much more well rounded team altho it must blow hard for Viviani not being able to compete here, he won't get a shot in TdF and most likely not the Vuelta either.

 

[Escarabajo]

Red Rick, there are 2 very hard stages in this Giro IMHO (Stage 16 and Stage 18). I agree that Quintana likes to win it usually in one go. The second stage has a lot of altitude changes and it is hard on most of the riders.

I think the biggest threat for Quintana in this Giro is that there are so many contenders to control. That could be a big problem.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Red Rick, there are 2 very hard stages in this Giro IMHO (Stage 16 and Stage 18). I agree that Quintana likes to win it usually in one go. The second stage has a lot of altitude changes and it is hard on most of the riders.

I think the biggest threat for Quintana in this Giro is that there are so many contenders to control. That could be a big problem.

We can also find ourselves in the (likely) situation that he simply just is one level above everybody else and digs 1 minute out on Blockhaus, 30 seconds on Etna etc. Its early and Quintana may not be that good so early in the race, but I don't think he really needs Stelvio-gate or Formigal shenanigans to pull this one of.

Still, it would be typical Quintana to go a little conservative about the race and just get his footing before striking hard on Stelvio or maybe later (Pontives on stage 18 or Piancovallo on 19).

 

[Red Rick]

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Red Rick, there are 2 very hard stages in this Giro IMHO (Stage 16 and Stage 18). I agree that Quintana likes to win it usually in one go. The second stage has a lot of altitude changes and it is hard on most of the riders.

I think the biggest threat for Quintana in this Giro is that there are so many contenders to control. That could be a big problem.

This is the WT, most of the contenders will control each other. Stage 18 is on high altitude, but the climbs aren't all that long or steep and if you really want to do damage on that stage you have to go from 3 climbs out on a weak climb. Literally the only interesting thing about the parcours is the queen stage coming early. If level gaps are big enough Quintana will be in pink already by the time we hit that stage and he won't even have to attack. If it isn't, he can put Movi's in break and go halfway on Stelvio.

 

[Red Rick]

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Red Rick, there are 2 very hard stages in this Giro IMHO (Stage 16 and Stage 18). I agree that Quintana likes to win it usually in one go. The second stage has a lot of altitude changes and it is hard on most of the riders.

I think the biggest threat for Quintana in this Giro is that there are so many contenders to control. That could be a big problem.

We can also find ourselves in the (likely) situation that he simply just is one level above everybody else and digs 1 minute out on Blockhaus, 30 seconds on Etna etc. Its early and Quintana may not be that good so early in the race, but I don't think he really needs Stelvio-gate or Formigal shenanigans to pull this one of.

Still, it would be typical Quintana to go a little conservative about the race and just get his footing before striking hard on Stelvio or maybe later (Pontives on stage 18 or Piancovallo on 19).

I can certainly see why Quintana would want to ride conservatively. However, if he did so he'd leave the door open for Nibali to pull shenanigans. Not sure that's so energy saving either. It's up to him to decide.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He said in his recent interview that he hasn't trained overly hard to be at 100% now and he also stated mutiples times that you need to be smart about doing the double, so I think he will just ease himself into it, probably win on Blockhaus, and just look what happens. Might have to put the hammer down once and for all so Nibali doesn't get any ideas.

 

[Red Rick]

It's a fine line regardless. Putting the hammer down once isn't enough if you're not the best tt'ist and if you're up against decent competition. It's hard to have a reference here as Contador didn't face much except for Astana, crashes and winning minutes in the tt in 2015.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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No call out for Thomas in Quintana's latest interview! Strange.

He probably doesn't rate him. What's strange about it?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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No call out for Thomas in Quintana's latest interview! Strange.

He probably doesn't rate him. What's strange about it?

Nothing, Thomas doesn't really deserves to be mentioned. I guess the Anglo-hype

 

[pink_jersey]

So, it seems that Landa will have a good team to support him the third week. :

 

[rick james]

https://www.teamsky.com/article/landa-and-thomas-to-lead-team-sky-at-100th-giro-d-italia
no viviani in team sky

that is a pretty strong team

 

[Brullnux]

Bit harsh of Sky not to bring Viviani for the 100th Giro. He could've gone solo without lead out men and tried for a couple of the stages and possibly even won them, before just working for Thomas/Landa

 

[Escarabajo]

I guess Sky is finally serious about going everything for the GC of the Giro.

 

[Mr.White]

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I guess Sky is finally serious about going everything for the GC of the Giro.

They were serious every year, only their leaders failed...

 

[Groene Patraaf]

Bauhaus should be able to get some top 5 results in the sprints, interesting rider.