Giro 2017, stage 14: Castellania – Oropa 131 km

[Arredondo]

I think even on Blockhaus Dumoulin could have followed Quintana, if it wasn't the first mountain stage. But he was still a little bit unsure about his climbing level there, especially comparing to Quintana.

But Blockhaus showed he can put his rivals in a spot of bother uphill, so he was willing to go into the red (or orange) on the earlier slopes of Oropa.

But a multiple mountain stage at + 2000m is another cook, as Van Gaal would say. If he can survive the Bormio stage, he can win this Giro.

 

[Irondan]

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Movistar will go into panic mode.
FDJ & Bahrain looked defeated and will go into consolidation mode

Nah, for Nibali it's all or nothing, he doesn't care about a podium place, only for the win.

This I agree with, he showed in the past that he's never down for the count without at least trying to go for the win.

 

[HelloDolly]

Amasing power by Dumoulin ..he must have some VO2 max
And he is so clever

but the relentless mountains to come are going to be alot harder for him ...

Today was basically a sprint up a 20 minute climb ...what is to come is more about climbing stamina

Movistar and Bahrain and FDJ will need to put him to the test early on these stages if they dont want him to win this Giro

 

[Katabatic]

Giro is probably Dumoulin's to lose now. With the final ITT he can survive one bad day in a multi-mountain stage. His rivals are running out of time.

 

[carton]

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Dude, what? He did exactly the same at Blockhaus (albeit thats a harder climb), its the only way a rider like Nairo can win.

No., Blockhaus is a much tougher climb, coming off a tougher day, with some hills thrown in before. This was a ___/. He's never won stages like this against good competition, because of basic physics and biology. He's working far harder to just stay in the pack on the flat. He's spent more energy just to get there. Then on the hill gets attack happy and blows himself up. On an up and down stage, it's a different story. He's the one using less energy relative to his competition.

This was simple. Over a 70kg+ rider who matched him on Blockhaus, he needed to hold wheels today and kick with a km to go. He was never going to win here. It cost him at least 30seconds. It might have cost us any chance at a true race. Now, most likely, it's either Dumoulin cracks hard or he wins.

 

[webvan]

Reminds of Berzin in the 1996 TDF where he was flying until...he blew up. If that doesn't happen to Dumoulin, I'd be surprised.

 

[This Charming Man]

Epic GIRO, Tom Dum. 100% class.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Dude, what? He did exactly the same at Blockhaus (albeit thats a harder climb), its the only way a rider like Nairo can win.

No., Blockhaus is a much tougher climb, coming off a tougher day, with some hills thrown in before. This was a ___/. He's never won stages like this against good competition, because of basic physics and biology. He's working far harder to just stay in the pack on the flat. He's spent more energy just to get there. Then on the hill gets attack happy and blows himself up. On an up and down stage, it's a different story. He's the one using less energy relative to his competition.

This was simple. Over a 70kg+ rider who matched him on Blockhaus, he needed to hold wheels today and kick with a km to go. He was never going to win here. It cost him at least 30seconds. It might have cost us any chance at a true race. Now, most likely, it's either Dumoulin cracks hard or he wins.

He won on Covadonga which was very, very close to being a mono climb stage. The hills before Blockhaus weren't that hard either. He just got about outsprinted by Froome on Cabarga on an even flatter day than this..

I get your point, but attacking with 4 km today was the right thing to do today to test Dumoulin and potentially grab some seconds and obviously the stage win (which is of great value since Pantani won here). Its very easy to say it was a mistake in hindsight, I think few expected Dumoulin to be THIS good.

And dont worry. We will probably get an even better race now as compared to Nairo grabbing 20-30 seconds. That means all out

 

[yaco]

I suspect with teams having different objectives, along with a hint of desperation from GC contenders, it could be a bad week for the breakaway - Maybe one breakaway will get to the finish.

 

[Bavarianrider]

A Minute faster than Quintana in 2014


Santuario di Oropa
2017:6,7 km@8%---17:37---average speed 22.82 km/h(Tom Dumoulin)
2014:6,7 km@8%---18:30---average speed 21.73 km/h(Nairo Quintana)
---19:51---average speed 20.25 km/h(Battaglin-Cataldo)
2007:6,7 km@8%---18:12---average speed 22.09 km/h(Leonardo Piepoli)
1999:6,7 km@8%---17:04---average speed 23.55 km/h(Marco Pantani)-RECORD
1993:6,7 km@8%---18:12---average speed 22.09 km/h(Piotr Ugrumov)
---19:44---average speed 20.37 km/h(Massimo Ghirotto)

 

[movingtarget]

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I suspect with teams having different objectives, along with a hint of desperation from GC contenders, it could be a bad week for the breakaway - Maybe one breakaway will get to the finish.

Obviously that is something Dumoulin won't want.

 

[This Charming Man]

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Muahahah there is a small mistake on Steephill GC:


General Classification after Stage 14
NED 1 DUMOULIN, Tom (SUNWEB) 59:31:17
COL 2 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOVISTAR) + 2:47
FRA 3 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ) + 3:25
ITA 4 NIBALI, Vincenzo (BAHRAIN - MERIDA) + 3:40
RUS 5 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (KATUSHA ALPECIN) + 4:24
NED 6 MOLLEMA, Bauke (TREK - SEGAFREDO) + 4:32
EST 7 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA) + 4:56
ITA 8 POZZATO, Filippo (WILIER TRIESTINA - SELLE ITALIA) + 4:59
LUX 9 JUNGELS, Bob (QUICK - STEP FLOORS) + 5:28
CRC 10 AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA, Andrey (MOVISTAR) + 5:36

You think Mollema can jump to forth? I see Nibali going backwards? Who is Zakarin?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Dumoulin's main weakness is still multi-mountain stages, so he needs to attack tomorrow as well and try and gain time on Quintana. 2 minutes and 47 seconds is not enough.

2 minutes, 47 seconds and an ITT in hand. He is getting nearer to a situation where he can get murdered on one multi climb stage and still win.

Agreed. btw, I always meant to tell you how much I enjoy your handle.

Thanks.

It's going to be a very interesting last week, a classic TTist v climber head to head with the climber needing to go berserk. The loss of Kelderman could play a big role, but I hope not.

 

[Moviefan1203]

What a fun stage. Love seeing Dumoulin extend his lead!

 

[Irondan]

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Muahahah there is a small mistake on Steephill GC:


General Classification after Stage 14
NED 1 DUMOULIN, Tom (SUNWEB) 59:31:17
COL 2 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOVISTAR) + 2:47
FRA 3 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ) + 3:25
ITA 4 NIBALI, Vincenzo (BAHRAIN - MERIDA) + 3:40
RUS 5 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (KATUSHA ALPECIN) + 4:24
NED 6 MOLLEMA, Bauke (TREK - SEGAFREDO) + 4:32
EST 7 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA) + 4:56
ITA 8 POZZATO, Filippo (WILIER TRIESTINA - SELLE ITALIA) + 4:59
LUX 9 JUNGELS, Bob (QUICK - STEP FLOORS) + 5:28
CRC 10 AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA, Andrey (MOVISTAR) + 5:36

You think Mollema can jump to forth? I see Nibali going backwards? Who is Zakarin?

Who is Zakarin? Really?

 

[Brullnux]

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Muahahah there is a small mistake on Steephill GC:


General Classification after Stage 14
NED 1 DUMOULIN, Tom (SUNWEB) 59:31:17
COL 2 QUINTANA, Nairo (MOVISTAR) + 2:47
FRA 3 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ) + 3:25
ITA 4 NIBALI, Vincenzo (BAHRAIN - MERIDA) + 3:40
RUS 5 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (KATUSHA ALPECIN) + 4:24
NED 6 MOLLEMA, Bauke (TREK - SEGAFREDO) + 4:32
EST 7 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA) + 4:56
ITA 8 POZZATO, Filippo (WILIER TRIESTINA - SELLE ITALIA) + 4:59
LUX 9 JUNGELS, Bob (QUICK - STEP FLOORS) + 5:28
CRC 10 AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA, Andrey (MOVISTAR) + 5:36

You think Mollema can jump to forth? I see Nibali going backwards? Who is Zakarin?

Mollema is going backwards much, much quicker.

 

[armchairclimber]

Well, I've seen some stuff in my time. I shall now go to the foot of our stairs.

Good to see Landa up there after his mishap.

 

[Irondan]

Italians still with no stage win, when was the last time the Italians were shut out at their own Grand Tour?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Can we make the stage 16-thread now?

 

[Irondan]

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Can we make the stage 16-thread now?

Go for it!

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Italians still with no stage win, when was the last time the Italians were shut out at their own Grand Tour?

Didn't happen, I reckon.

 

[jaylew]

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Dumo to win the stage.

Climb suits him down to the ground.

Yep, I wrote the same before the stage. Not sure why people are so surprised. This stage was made for him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Italians still with no stage win, when was the last time the Italians were shut out at their own Grand Tour?

never

 

[Poursuivant]

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Well, I've seen some stuff in my time. I shall now go to the foot of our stairs.

Good to see Landa up there after his mishap.

Landa is up your stairs?

 

[Squire]

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Italians still with no stage win, when was the last time the Italians were shut out at their own Grand Tour?

never

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