Giro 2017, stage 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

[Jolene]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

 

[Escarabajo]

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Having said that, every rider knows the script. Tell me who doesn't. Movistar and Bahrain to put the riders up the road and Nibali and Quintana to try to bridge somewhere from the Stelvio (Mortirolo is too soon). Dumoulin will be prepared. It will come down to the Umbrail pass for a reduced group. The forum will be depressed at that moment. It will all depend on Quintana and Nibali's strength at that point. I predict that Quintana won't take as much time as everyone expects, but Dumoulin will bleed more time in the upcoming stages because of his effort on this one. With Nibali in the race it will certainly be an ambush somewhere. Will it be enough? who knows If I knew the future I would be in Las Vegas now.

Maybe not the same but close enough.
Everything except the crap thing!
Poor Dumo. Great recovery. Great defense of the pink jersey.

Stage 16 is a better fit for Quintana. Nibali is recuperating and came back to life into the GC picture just like last year.

 

[Ruby United]

Show me one other sport where stuff like that happens? Holy s*it :lol:

Picture this - early 80s, some big tennis match Jimmy Connors was in (might have been the Wimbledon), both guys were wearing white shorts.

Thankfully Jimmy Connors never crapped his sparkling white shorts, but the match had been stopped because he had had diarrhea. (Not sure this is something I would want to remember him for, but yet I do.)

Hope Tom D. fared better in today's stage, still have to catch up in this thread seeing as I had to go to work when they had something like 8km to go.

Also Gary Lineker in the 1990 World Cup, if I remember correctly.
Also, there's the famous Lemond case.
But none had the same consequences as today.

 

[Ricco']

Show me one other sport where stuff like that happens? Holy s*it :lol:

Picture this - early 80s, some big tennis match Jimmy Connors was in (might have been the Wimbledon), both guys were wearing white shorts.

Thankfully Jimmy Connors never crapped his sparkling white shorts, but the match had been stopped because he had had diarrhea. (Not sure this is something I would want to remember him for, but yet I do.)

Hope Tom D. fared better in today's stage, still have to catch up in this thread seeing as I had to go to work when they had something like 8km to go.

Also Gary Lineker in the 1990 World Cup, if I remember correctly.
Also, there's the famous Lemond case.
But none had the same consequences as today.

Are you all forgetting Sagan?

 

[carton]

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Guys, guys, guys.
We're all forgetting the important question; who got the beer?

Lars Bak. Though Jasper Stuyven is staking a claim.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Show me one other sport where stuff like that happens? Holy s*it :lol:

Picture this - early 80s, some big tennis match Jimmy Connors was in (might have been the Wimbledon), both guys were wearing white shorts.

Thankfully Jimmy Connors never crapped his sparkling white shorts, but the match had been stopped because he had had diarrhea. (Not sure this is something I would want to remember him for, but yet I do.)

Hope Tom D. fared better in today's stage, still have to catch up in this thread seeing as I had to go to work when they had something like 8km to go.

Also Gary Lineker in the 1990 World Cup, if I remember correctly.
Also, there's the famous Lemond case.
But none had the same consequences as today.

Oh man, I'm just trying to keep Tom motivated. This kind of crap (literally) can happen to virtually anyone in the middle of any kind of race.

I mean, we've got the tennis matches, or footie matches, or xc- ski races, or even kayaking races! (Don't even ask me how many times my dad tells me the stories of how many times he and his buds had crapped, or had even vomited, into their own kayaks in the middle of a race.)

In other words, when you gotta go you gotta GO!

 

[Sciatic]

I think Pozzo summed it up the best:
“There was a moment of slowing but then there was the hill to climb,” Domenico Pozzovivo (Ag2r-La Mondiale) said while coughing and catching his breath in the high Alpine mountains."
"It wouldn’t have been possible for them to wait until he returned, the race was that climb in the end, if we didn’t make the final climb hard, then there’s no show.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/the-race-was-on-we-couldnt-wait-for-him-say-tom-dumoulins-giro-ditalia-rivals-332303

Like he said "then there's no show." For those calling out the other riders for not showing more respect . . . what about respect for fans who waited on the roadside? How respect for viewers like us who had this date circled on the calendar for months? What about rider's respecting their obligations to work (under contract, mind you) for their team owner/sponsor?

The riders are indeed warriors, but they are not Chariots-of-Fire amateurs. Part of their job is entertainment. Part of their job is to represent their sponsor, best done with their logo on the shirt of the stage winner.

If the leaders waited any longer, Landa would have won in a solo. We would have been cheated out of the exciting chase and capture on the decent. What about Bahrain-Merida? I guess they win so often that they would be happy to cede a stage victory in the queen stage of the 100th Giro, just because a guy had to take a dump?

And finally, if they had soft-pedaled at 10 kph till Tom caught up, then what? Is Dumoulin then bound to not attack since they waited for him? If he does, then cries of unfair! start again. Once Dumoulin stopped, right there at the base of the ascent, the stage was screwed up. Fortunately, we still got a good show and drama at the end.

 

[meat puppet]

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Curious too. One rumour I've heard is that Landa has at one point said Valverde is the best Spanish rider of his generation, is that it?

Oh, that's heresy of course, he should be hanged for that

But the course of truthspeaking never did run smooth.

 

[Andro]

Man, all this defamation against Landa because one crazy stalker woman said some lies about him. I truly feel bad for him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

 

[Jolene]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

??? You're going by the words of a woman who has already been caught out in a pretty massive lie. And, answer this, if he's really done what she said he's done then why is she still so obsessed with him? Why does she still like and retweet about him on social media?? And why would she go to the beginning stages of the Giro when it's pretty clear it wasn't for her work?

 

[tobydawq]

If you don't want to tell people what you're talking about (ie. what Landa and a mysterios woman has or has not purportedly done), could you maybe take the discussion as personal messages?

This is just really silly...

 

[The Hitch]

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Secret insider knowledge.

@movingtarget ,and whether Schleck's mechanical was self-inflicted was nothing that Contador could spot at once either. The point is that they should always keep riding. I'm not asking them to attack specifically because someone has a problem, but I don't want them to wait either. Just keep doing what you're doing. Which in Contador's case was going full gas.

As he was responding to Andy's attack, it seems rather ridiculous to think just because Andy had aborted his attack involuntarily due to his missed shift/throwing of his chain, that his rivals would suddenly discontinue their own accelerations. Andy initiated the aggressions and the race was on at that point.

Regarding Chaingate, I'll just say the same thing I always said. Andy didn't wait for Contador or anyone during the crash on stage 3. Took time. They had a right to do the same to him 2 weeks later.

 

[VO2 Max]

I think Pozzo summed it up the best:
“There was a moment of slowing but then there was the hill to climb,” Domenico Pozzovivo (Ag2r-La Mondiale) said while coughing and catching his breath in the high Alpine mountains."
"It wouldn’t have been possible for them to wait until he returned, the race was that climb in the end, if we didn’t make the final climb hard, then there’s no show.”
<snipped for length>
I guess they win so often that they would be happy to cede a stage victory in the queen stage of the 100th Giro, just because a guy had to take a dump?

And finally, if they had soft-pedaled at 10 kph till Tom caught up, then what? Is Dumoulin then bound to not attack since they waited for him? If he does, then cries of unfair! start again. Once Dumoulin stopped, right there at the base of the ascent, the stage was screwed up. Fortunately, we still got a good show and drama at the end.

All of this.

The waiting concept has got out of hand and just has too many complications and ambiguities. It's too easy to game, we've seen that with Cancellara and the Schlecks a while back; even Tom D earlier this week, it's nice he made people wait for Quintana but it doesn't exactly hurt his cause to neutralise part of a descent and climb when the GC race was on. And all it achieves is transferring the bad luck from one rider to another - Katusha and Movistar had a plan yesterday, Katusha worked hard in the valley but they somehow aren't allowed to carry out their strategy because of bad luck to someone else? A famous one is Ullrich waiting on Luz Ardiden - nice gesture, but he threw away his Tour win there because it reset the stage and made it a single-mountain race where the more explosive Armstrong had the advantage. Genuine bad luck or outside influence is going to happen sometimes, the only actually fair way to deal with it is to keep going.

 

[gunara]

I think Pozzo summed it up the best:
“There was a moment of slowing but then there was the hill to climb,” Domenico Pozzovivo (Ag2r-La Mondiale) said while coughing and catching his breath in the high Alpine mountains."
"It wouldn’t have been possible for them to wait until he returned, the race was that climb in the end, if we didn’t make the final climb hard, then there’s no show.”

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/giro-ditalia/the-race-was-on-we-couldnt-wait-for-him-say-tom-dumoulins-giro-ditalia-rivals-332303

Like he said "then there's no show." For those calling out the other riders for not showing more respect . . . what about respect for fans who waited on the roadside? How respect for viewers like us who had this date circled on the calendar for months? What about rider's respecting their obligations to work (under contract, mind you) for their team owner/sponsor?

The riders are indeed warriors, but they are not Chariots-of-Fire amateurs. Part of their job is entertainment. Part of their job is to represent their sponsor, best done with their logo on the shirt of the stage winner.

If the leaders waited any longer, Landa would have won in a solo. We would have been cheated out of the exciting chase and capture on the decent. What about Bahrain-Merida? I guess they win so often that they would be happy to cede a stage victory in the queen stage of the 100th Giro, just because a guy had to take a dump?

And finally, if they had soft-pedaled at 10 kph till Tom caught up, then what? Is Dumoulin then bound to not attack since they waited for him? If he does, then cries of unfair! start again. Once Dumoulin stopped, right there at the base of the ascent, the stage was screwed up. Fortunately, we still got a good show and drama at the end.

I like this post.
It turned into an underwhelming, disappointing race for me as spectator
But I didn't blame the peloton - including Quintana/Movistar - for what they did. Wait until Tom make it back? Slowing down for such a long time is pretty enough to me. Stopping entirely would have been a ridiculous option. I was a bit pissed off when Zaka moved, a bit too soon, but after that what else was there to expect? Most of them showed good intention to balance out the situations, a lot of importances involved. I don't even think Quintana ever went close to trying to drop anybody until he himself get dropped by Nibali in the descent.

 

[Lequack]

I was listening to a podcast that said Tom should have informed others he was going to stop for a poop break, doesn't mean that they would have waited anyway but at least they wouldn't have an excuse of not knowing what the problem was. But then again maybe riders don't really want to talk about these things.

 

[kingjr]

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Secret insider knowledge.

@movingtarget ,and whether Schleck's mechanical was self-inflicted was nothing that Contador could spot at once either. The point is that they should always keep riding. I'm not asking them to attack specifically because someone has a problem, but I don't want them to wait either. Just keep doing what you're doing. Which in Contador's case was going full gas.

As he was responding to Andy's attack, it seems rather ridiculous to think just because Andy had aborted his attack involuntarily due to his missed shift/throwing of his chain, that his rivals would suddenly discontinue their own accelerations. Andy initiated the aggressions and the race was on at that point.

Yeah that's what I said.

I was agreeing with you in a very clumsy way.

OK. I wasn't 100% sure

 

[Valv.Piti]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

*removed by King Boonen*

I know the innuendo you and others are spreading and its frankly disgusting. you have taken it upon yourself to join in instead of keeping it a matter between the two. IMO, it its banworthy to act like that.

Edit: Sorry for being that harsh, but I don't think stuff such as this should be taken lightly....

 

[King Boonen]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

*removed by King Boonen*

I know the innuendo you and others are spreading and its frankly disgusting. you have taken it upon yourself to join in instead of keeping it a matter between the two. IMO, it its banworthy to act like that.

You may think that is the case and if you feel that way then you are free to report the posts, but personal insults certainly are banworthy so lets all refrain from that shall we?

 

[Netserk]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

*removed by King Boonen*

I know the innuendo you and others are spreading and its frankly disgusting. you have taken it upon yourself to join in instead of keeping it a matter between the two. IMO, it its banworthy to act like that.

Edit: Sorry for being that harsh, but I don't think stuff such as this should be taken lightly....

Oh, please. Be a little less thin skinned. Plenty of people should have been banned over the years for what they have discussed wrt Armstrong then...

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its difficult not to get personal when a poster is refusing to post it in the open forum, but have no problems delivering that very same message in PMs to people who are interested to know what its all bout. Like some kind of gossip-club where only the cool girls are allowed in. And on top of that, its some extremely damaging rumours for that particular person.. really think thats bad mannered.

But yeah

 

[Valv.Piti]

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so whats landa been up to?

Nothing other than trying to get on with his life and career while being stalked and lied about

However much you try to explain away his actions, it is no way to treat a woman.

*removed by King Boonen*

I know the innuendo you and others are spreading and its frankly disgusting. you have taken it upon yourself to join in instead of keeping it a matter between the two. IMO, it its banworthy to act like that.

Edit: Sorry for being that harsh, but I don't think stuff such as this should be taken lightly....

Oh, please. Be a little less thin skinned. Plenty of people should have been banned over the years for what they have discussed wrt Armstrong then...

So we can basically go around and spread extremely damaging rumours about riders we necessarily don't like?

 

[Andro]

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Oh, please. Be a little less thin skinned. Plenty of people should have been banned over the years for what they have discussed wrt Armstrong then...

It is no more thin skinned than people who claim Landa is Hitler because his crazy stalker ex girlfriend claims he left the toilet seat up.

 

[King Boonen]

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So we can basically go around and spread extremely damaging rumours about riders we necessarily don't like?

Have you visited the clinic lately? That's pretty much all that happens in there with varying degrees or evidence. People are free to draw their own conclusions about posts and posters who they feel are spreading rumours with little to no evidence.

I personally don't know the rumour and don't want to. I think whatever is discussed in private messages is just that, private, and unless someone reports them as inappropriate we can't see them and have nothing to do with them.

LaFlo doesn't seem to be spreading the rumour publicly and she is only responding to the conversation in here so I don't think she is breaking any rules. If anything she is purposefully not spreading it unless people specifically ask to be told.

 

[Netserk]

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*removed by King Boonen*

I know the innuendo you and others are spreading and its frankly disgusting. you have taken it upon yourself to join in instead of keeping it a matter between the two. IMO, it its banworthy to act like that.

Edit: Sorry for being that harsh, but I don't think stuff such as this should be taken lightly....

Oh, please. Be a little less thin skinned. Plenty of people should have been banned over the years for what they have discussed wrt Armstrong then...

So we can basically go around and spread extremely damaging rumours about riders we necessarily don't like?

Obviously, if you make things up to get a reaction, you are trolling. Discussing a known rumour in the topics best suited for that is something completely different. Then there's obviously a certain margin for speculation, which is up to the mods to regulate, just like in the clinic.