Giro 2017, stage 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

[rick james]

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Curious too. One rumour I've heard is that Landa has at one point said Valverde is the best Spanish rider of his generation, is that it?

 

[Tank Engine]

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If you mean that the Mortirolo is the place where Movistar will start seriously implementing their plan, I agree. They should have a couple of guys down the road and on the Mortirolo start wearing down Sunweb.

If you think Quintana is going to come out to play on the Mortirolo, I don't agree. I expect that to occur in the third quarter of the Stelvio. Late enough for the peloton to have whittled down. Early enough to gain time before the summit.

Dumoulin is not going to just drop. Quintana will have to attack.

My worst prediction ever

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I'm a bit concerned at reports that Dumoulin said he has stomach problems at high altitude If so, he will be in more trouble on stage 18 with 3 passes over 2000m. If not then I think he can recover and win this Giro.

Those are nowhere near as high as Stelvio though (*fingers crossed*)

 

[Lequack]

Angry podium, if looks could kill:

 

[armchairclimber]

I hope he showered first

 

[May0maniac]

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I'm a bit concerned at reports that Dumoulin said he has stomach problems at high altitude If so, he will be in more trouble on stage 18 with 3 passes over 2000m. If not then I think he can recover and win this Giro.

Those are nowhere near as high as Stelvio though (*fingers crossed*)

It's not like the climbs in the last Tour were that high, so who knows. His recovery is a bigger question mark, on the final km of the Umbrailpass he was done, maybe he went too deep.

 

[hfer07]

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I hope he showered first

It requires "more" than a shower

 

[kingjr]

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Secret insider knowledge.

@movingtarget ,and whether Schleck's mechanical was self-inflicted was nothing that Contador could spot at once either. The point is that they should always keep riding. I'm not asking them to attack specifically because someone has a problem, but I don't want them to wait either. Just keep doing what you're doing. Which in Contador's case was going full gas.

As he was responding to Andy's attack, it seems rather ridiculous to think just because Andy had aborted his attack involuntarily due to his missed shift/throwing of his chain, that his rivals would suddenly discontinue their own accelerations. Andy initiated the aggressions and the race was on at that point.

Yeah that's what I said.

 

[jaylew]

Unlike many people here, Tom and his team get it:

Dumo:
"I don't really know what happened in the front. I heard that Movistar waited a little but the race was on and they were chasing riders like Steven Kruijswijk. I can't blame them for wanting to chase him. You can't give Kruijswijk three minutes; it's was a difficult situation."

Ten Dam:

"I'm not going to say things about that. It is what it is, and it was not a crash, eh," Ten Dam said, and then smiled: "When you stop for a piss, they also don't wait. So when you stop for a ***, it's also the same I think."

Exactly. All the GC guys are supposed to let SK gain more time? And if one is afraid of SK and pushes on, the others have to. Besides, diarrhea can be a sign of an intestinal ailment. Since when do you stop because someone has a physical issue?

 

[perico]

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Someone still angry that Landa could have beaten Contador anytime he wanted to if he was let off his leash I suppose

Maybe after driving if Contador had a few more mechanicals, and was forced to chase back, destroying his reserves like on the Terminillo.

 

[RedheadDane]

Guys, guys, guys.
We're all forgetting the important question; who got the beer?

 

[Angliru]

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Secret insider knowledge.

@movingtarget ,and whether Schleck's mechanical was self-inflicted was nothing that Contador could spot at once either. The point is that they should always keep riding. I'm not asking them to attack specifically because someone has a problem, but I don't want them to wait either. Just keep doing what you're doing. Which in Contador's case was going full gas.

As he was responding to Andy's attack, it seems rather ridiculous to think just because Andy had aborted his attack involuntarily due to his missed shift/throwing of his chain, that his rivals would suddenly discontinue their own accelerations. Andy initiated the aggressions and the race was on at that point.

Yeah that's what I said.

I was agreeing with you in a very clumsy way.

 

[Bolder]

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Unlike many people here, Tom and his team get it:

Dumo:
"I don't really know what happened in the front. I heard that Movistar waited a little but the race was on and they were chasing riders like Steven Kruijswijk. I can't blame them for wanting to chase him. You can't give Kruijswijk three minutes; it's was a difficult situation."

Ten Dam:

"I'm not going to say things about that. It is what it is, and it was not a crash, eh," Ten Dam said, and then smiled: "When you stop for a piss, they also don't wait. So when you stop for a ****, it's also the same I think."

Exactly. All the GC guys are supposed to let SK gain more time? And if one is afraid of SK and pushes on, the others have to. Besides, diarrhea can be a sign of an intestinal ailment. Since when do you stop because someone has a physical issue?

Yep. Anyway, I suspect he'll be OK, but those 2 mintues would have given him a nice cushion. Now it'll be touch and go.

 

[BigMac]

Couldn't watch the stage. So, basically Dumoulin lost the Giro because he had to poop?

Is this how it'll go down?

 

[masking_agent]

i wonder what poor Tom used to wipe his ass ? Or just closed up shop and let the chamois absorb as much so he didn't pull a Greg Lemond in '86

 

[Jolene]

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I know you like Landa the same way I like Contador, but seriously, if I found out he did something like that I would NEVER cheer for him again. It's a no-no.

That's the thing, you are getting this from her side only. It's not fair as, 1) this should be a private matter between three people, and 2) it's a nutcase who has decided she's going to say whatever the hell she wants in public. She's been caught out in a pretty massive lie already but yet you really expect me to believe her again? This is very unfair to him.

 

[Netserk]

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I know you like Landa the same way I like Contador, but seriously, if I found out he did something like that I would NEVER cheer for him again. It's a no-no.

That's the thing, you are getting this from her side only. It's not fair as, 1) this should be a private matter between three people, and 2) it's a nutcase who has decided she's going to say whatever the hell she wants in public. She's been caught out in a pretty massive lie already but yet you really expect me to believe her again? This is very unfair to him.

Hi Jolene, you are very much welcome to PM me the details

 

[lenric]

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I know you like Landa the same way I like Contador, but seriously, if I found out he did something like that I would NEVER cheer for him again. It's a no-no.

That's the thing, you are getting this from her side only. It's not fair as, 1) this should be a private matter between three people, and 2) it's a nutcase who has decided she's going to say whatever the hell she wants in public. She's been caught out in a pretty massive lie already but yet you really expect me to believe her again? This is very unfair to him.

Hi Jolene, you are very much welcome to PM me the details

I second that again. It's for research.

 

[tobydawq]

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Guys, guys, guys.
We're all forgetting the important question; who got the beer?

Our very own Lars Bak

https://twitter.com/wielerman/status/867118145043140608

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Show me one other sport where stuff like that happens? Holy s*it :lol:

Picture this - early 80s, some big tennis match Jimmy Connors was in (might have been the Wimbledon), both guys were wearing white shorts.

Thankfully Jimmy Connors never crapped his sparkling white shorts, but the match had been stopped because he had had diarrhea. (Not sure this is something I would want to remember him for, but yet I do.)

Hope Tom D. fared better in today's stage, still have to catch up in this thread seeing as I had to go to work when they had something like 8km to go.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

On a side note, it's really wierd that Deignan has been so low on the Sky domestique totem poll. He didn't even get to go to a GT at all one year and he doesn't even get an occasional chance to lead small stage races as every other climber seems to get there. Yet he is one of the strongest domestiques in the Giro.

 

[s.i.]

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Couldn't watch the stage. So, basically Dumoulin lost the Giro because he had to poop?

The Giro is still Dumoulins to lose imo. He rode well on the last climb today, he's still in the Maglia Rosa and there is the last ITT to consider. There is only one mountain stage with many climbs left, where he han be isolated relatively early on. He will have to crack for Quintana or Nibali to win the Giro. Or go on another toilet break ...

 

[Wergeland]

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i wonder what poor Tom used to wipe his *** ? Or just closed up shop and let the chamois absorb as much so he didn't pull a Greg Lemond in '86

The mechanic came out of the car, toilet paper in hand.

Got to hand it to Tom, not a SINGLE sticky bottle after that incident. Think what Quitana and Nibali would have done? Either of them would have grabbed on to anything in front of them (car, bottle or a spare wheel on a motorcycle)

 

[rick james]

so whats landa been up to?

 

[Robert5091]

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so whats landa been up to?

Making sure he gets a good contract next year.