Giro 2017, stage 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

[Gigs_98]

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If Quintana gained 30 secs he would've wasted a lot of energy for a gap that guys like Dumoulin, Pinot, Zakarin and Jungels would have closed in no time.

IF these riders really try to chase. I think it's most likely that everyone would look at Dumoulin who would do 90% of the work. At least I really don't see a guy like Jungles chasing Quintana shortening his own chances for that stage.

Moreover I give three domestiques 100% committed to their leader a pretty good chance against 3 or 4 gc riders semicommitting.

 

[SafeBet]

Headwind in the valley according to RAI.

 

[dfromdub]

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Pellizotti not even breathing _O_

He's from a different era

 

[Ruby United]

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This year Giro is the best Igor Anton I've seen in years.

Indeed it is.

Makes me wonder what could have happened in last year's Vuelta if not for his gastrointestinal problems.

I still miss the Euskatel days when even the top GC riders would fear him

 

[Mr.White]

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He has three teammates up ahead ready to wait for him. They will easily distance a peloton with only a few tired helpers.

Well, I'm sure that will be the plan on the last climb. Why do it on the Stelvio when Dumoulin can still lean on Trek, FDJ and Quickstep to help limit any gap he can pull out? The whole point is to try to make Dumoulin follow Quintana to push him into the red. He doesn't need to if there is still a biggish peloton with several other teams prepared to work.

For Christ sake what gap would one Trek and one QS guy limit to Quintana?! He would give them 1min in 2-3km easily, even if Jungels and Mollema are working too!!! What Quintana needs is only 20-30 sec on Dumoulin, meybe even less, just to connect with his men upfront. Then it's a winning situation.

Did you see how easily Amador and Landa were pulled back in the valley? What exactly would Amador, Anacona and Quintana have been able to do against a group of ten or so favourites, who would inevitably join togethe on the descent? This is fantasy stuff that you're coming up with, not rooted in reality I'm afraid.

He would have Amador, Anacona and Izagirre on the descent and in the valley, which is more than enough. If you don't think he had a great opportunity on Stelvio to attack, then we look very differently on tactics.

 

[Der Effe]

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If Quintana gained 30 secs he would've wasted a lot of energy for a gap that guys like Dumoulin, Pinot, Zakarin and Jungels would have closed in no time.

IF these riders really try to chase. I think it's most likely that everyone would look at Dumoulin who would do 90% of the work. At least I really don't see a guy like Jungles chasing Quintana shortening his own chances for that stage.

Moreover I give three domestiques 100% committed to their leader a pretty good chance against 3 or 4 gc riders semicommitting.

If they chase they will reel in Amador and most likely Kruijswijk with with minimal effort.

 

[Brullnux]

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Once again: Zakarin and Mollema and Jungels will not chase down Quintana.

But they do wanna chase down Amador and Kruijswijk, hence their riders leading the chase...

It's hardly rocket science.

Yeah, now they are chasing them down, but if Dumoulin begins to do it for them, then they'd have to be pretty stupid to help him.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

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Armstrong has more testicals than Quintana.

+1000. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[laurensde+]

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Eusebio Unzue just talked to Rai about Movistar's tactics. Hermetic poetry :lol:
(his italian was perfect though). I don't know if he is criptic by nature or their tactics are a mess

What did he say?
I'm intrigued...

Tom has us beat. We're aiming for second and third.

 

[Scarponi]

What was cataldo having a whinge for lol

 

[Velolover2]

Tejay still in a break. Haha!

 

[Der Effe]

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Once again: Zakarin and Mollema and Jungels will not chase down Quintana.

But they do wanna chase down Amador and Kruijswijk, hence their riders leading the chase...

It's hardly rocket science.

Yeah, now they are chasing them down, but if Dumoulin begins to do it for them, then they'd have to be pretty stupid to help him.

Dumoulin is not their priority.

 

[Brullnux]

Pellizotti looks like is a cyclotourist

 

[Brullnux]

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Once again: Zakarin and Mollema and Jungels will not chase down Quintana.

But they do wanna chase down Amador and Kruijswijk, hence their riders leading the chase...

It's hardly rocket science.

Yeah, now they are chasing them down, but if Dumoulin begins to do it for them, then they'd have to be pretty stupid to help him.

Dumoulin is not their priority.

Yes. I know that. But if he starts chasing them down, it is likely that Dumoulin can close it down by himself. There is literally no point in helping dumoulin do something he can do better by himself.

 

[woodburn]

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For Christ sake what gap would one Trek and one QS guy limit to Quintana?! He would give them 1min in 2-3km easily, even if Jungels and Mollema are working too!!! What Quintana needs is only 20-30 sec on Dumoulin, meybe even less, just to connect with his men upfront. Then it's a winning situation.

Did you see how easily Amador and Landa were pulled back in the valley? What exactly would Amador, Anacona and Quintana have been able to do against a group of ten or so favourites, who would inevitably join togethe on the descent? This is fantasy stuff that you're coming up with, not rooted in reality I'm afraid.

So Quintana would rest behind his teammates while the other favorites are riding behind him and chase themselves. Sounds like a dream scenario to me

Quintana, Amador and Anacona aren't going to hold off anyone on a longish valley section. And he would have wasted more energy to get away on the climb than the other favourites would have closing the gap on the flat.

Just like Alberto and Andy on Alpe d'Huez stage in 2011.

 

[vcampbell]

I think both sides are right, but still it was stupid to think from Quintanas side, that nobody will do the chase only Sunweb. If this goes a way like this then today was a huge miss and their only result will be that Amador, Anacona and Izagirre will be more tired and Quintana will be more far from winning the Giro. But I cheer for Dumoulin, so keep up the good work Movistar!

 

[46&twoWheels]

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Eusebio Unzue just talked to Rai about Movistar's tactics. Hermetic poetry :lol:
(his italian was perfect though). I don't know if he is criptic by nature or their tactics are a mess

What did he say?
I'm intrigued...

nothing memorable. "we moved that there ...he was working hard...."
I mean the entire interview was very impersonal. The only thing I remember is that when the Rai journalist asked him about Quintana he didn't sound worried. I got a kind of "no risks no pain" feeling

 

[Escarabajo]

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Armstrong has more testicals than Quintana.

+1000. Couldn't have said it better.

Very classy and expected coming from you!

 

[Netserk]

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Just like Alberto and Andy on Alpe d'Huez stage in 2011.

I missed how they had three teammates pull for them...

 

[sir fly]

I've just witnessed a battle of two magpies and a crow for the pine territory.
Swear.

 

[Der Effe]

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Once again: Zakarin and Mollema and Jungels will not chase down Quintana.

But they do wanna chase down Amador and Kruijswijk, hence their riders leading the chase...

It's hardly rocket science.

Yeah, now they are chasing them down, but if Dumoulin begins to do it for them, then they'd have to be pretty stupid to help him.

Dumoulin is not their priority.

Yes. I know that. But if he starts chasing them down, it is likely that Dumoulin can close it down by himself. There is literally no point in helping dumoulin do something he can do better by himself.

No, there is no point in helping a rider leading a chase which involves riders your teammates have been chasing for a couple of hours.

 

[rick james]

Gap coming down

 

[Escarabajo]

I see a lot of tired bodies in the pink jersey group!

 

[woodburn]

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Just like Alberto and Andy on Alpe d'Huez stage in 2011.

I missed how they had three teammates pull for them...

They didn't. That's why they got caught in the valley and ended up completely wasting all that energy. Andy would have been better off gas on Alpe.

 

[Ataraxus]

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I see a lot of tired bodies in the pink jersey group!

True. Gaps at the top of Umbrail are going to be significant.