Giro 2017, stage 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km

[More Strides than Rides]

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I was on a train during the beginning of the climb and during the "incident." from the sound of it, Quintana didn't do attack at all on the climb? From what I've read it was Zakarin and Nibali. Is that right?

Pretty much yeah, Quintana really just followed wheels all day long. It was mainly Zakarin really, the rest just responded to him.

Thanks. So are the posts about Quintana just typical forum shitposting, or actual cycling fan commentary?

 

[hfer07]

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Now I guess someone will regret not attacking Dumourain during that **** stop

that's exactly my thoughts.

Quintana needs 2-1/2 minutes ahead of Tom before the ITT

 

[markene2]

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Man. Without that **** stop Dumoulin would probably not even have lost time at all.

Still in it!

 

[Irondan]

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Man. Without that **** stop Dumoulin would probably not even have lost time at all.

Exactly, if he did it would be a handful of seconds on the descent.

Tough luck...

 

[Ramira]

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Dumoulin looks absolutely pissed off. Whether it's justifiable or not doesn't matter because it happened and that won't change. He can use it as fodder to ride aggressively for the rest of the race.

Honestly he still has zero reason to ride aggressively. If he follows wheels every stage from now on he probably wins the Giro by 2 minutes.

Only if he can follow wheels

Super impressed by Tom. Many expected him to lose 2 minutes or even more, and he did, but only because of bad luck.. he was strong and fought to the end. Hopefully he isn't ill and can limit his losses on the next stages.

It's obvious that Dumoulin is the strongest man in the race, but also has one of the weakest teams which allows for tactics to rule in lieu of the strongest rising to the top.

Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

 

[Forever The Best]

Dumoulin still the nr. 1 favourite. If he is back to his best before stage 18 then he will probably win. But Nibali won't go down withut a fight. Maybe Quintana will attack Dumo early in stage 18 as well but I doubt it.

 

[DFA123]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

 

[vass45]

Great stage - all fair n square I think - Quintana still the man to beat but Nibali in the mix now. Dummo will likely lose the pink jersey tomorrow

 

[Brullnux]

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Man. Without that **** stop Dumoulin would probably not even have lost time at all.

No he probably wouldn't have.

Although has to be said that the Giro GPS is pretty horrendous, so we don't know what the actual gap was. But it does show that the Movistar tactics, without a healthy dose of luck, wouldn't have worked.

 

[Ramira]

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I was on a train during the beginning of the climb and during the "incident." from the sound of it, Quintana didn't do attack at all on the climb? From what I've read it was Zakarin and Nibali. Is that right?

Pretty much yeah, Quintana really just followed wheels all day long. It was mainly Zakarin really, the rest just responded to him.

Thanks. So are the posts about Quintana just typical forum shitposting, or actual cycling fan commentary?

I think it's because Movistar has such a bad track record of things like this the automatic response is to blame them.

 

[Ramira]

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Man. Without that **** stop Dumoulin would probably not even have lost time at all.

No he probably wouldn't have.

Although has to be said that the Giro GPS is pretty horrendous, so we don't know what the actual gap was. But it does show that the Movistar tactics, without a healthy dose of luck, wouldn't have worked.

I think he would have at the worst come in with Zakarin, losing about 30 seconds.

Dumoulin still the nr. 1 favourite. If he is back to his best before stage 18 then he will probably win. But Nibali won't go down withut a fight. Maybe Quintana will attack Dumo early in stage 18 as well but I doubt it.

I don't agree with this. Dumoulin has shown before he struggles with 3 week races. If this was the 2nd week form then yeah he would be favourite. But until he can show he recovers as well as Nibali and Quintana I have to at the very least put them at the same odds as him.

 

[WheelofGear]

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Great stage - all fair n square I think - Quintana still the man to beat but Nibali in the mix now. Dummo will likely lose the pink jersey tomorrow

How? It's not a hard stage.

 

[Irondan]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

At 26 years old he's still worth taking the risk of building a team of strong climbers around him. With a stronger team he would have a better chance in riding three weeks without cracking and getting ill.

 

[May0maniac]

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Great stage - all fair n square I think - Quintana still the man to beat but Nibali in the mix now. Dummo will likely lose the pink jersey tomorrow

How? It's not a hard stage.

They'll probably go hard on the first 3 climbs at the start to see if he actually cracks. If not, it will still be another hard day for him before the next mountain stage.

 

[carton]

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I was on a train during the beginning of the climb and during the "incident." from the sound of it, Quintana didn't do attack at all on the climb? From what I've read it was Zakarin and Nibali. Is that right?

Pretty much yeah, Quintana really just followed wheels all day long. It was mainly Zakarin really, the rest just responded to him.

Thanks. So are the posts about Quintana just typical forum shitposting, or actual cycling fan commentary?

I think it's because Movistar has such a bad track record of things like this the automatic response is to blame them.

I think that people who expect sportsmanship gave up on Nibali a long time ago. So they have a go at Quintana instead.

 

[red_flanders]

If someone had told me yesterday that Dumoulin was going to drop a bomb on this stage...

 

[Ramira]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

At 26 years old he's still worth taking the risk of building a team of strong climbers around him. With a stronger team he would have a better chance in riding three weeks without cracking and getting ill.

This, and also there's teams build around riders with far less pedigree than him. We're not talking about building a Sky train around him. Just a team with 4-5 competent climbers.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

At 26 years old he's still worth taking the risk of building a team of strong climbers around him. With a stronger team he would have a better chance in riding three weeks without cracking and getting ill.

I think we need to wait till Sunday to make that decision

and he just needs a top dom..to be there towards the end ...like Anacona or Henao

 

[Forever The Best]

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Great stage - all fair n square I think - Quintana still the man to beat but Nibali in the mix now. Dummo will likely lose the pink jersey tomorrow

How? It's not a hard stage.

They'll probably go hard on the first 3 climbs at the start to see if he actually cracks. If not, it will still be another hard day for him before the next mountain stage.

Hopefully they do. But I don't think they will go hard on the first 2 climbs.

 

[Poursuivant]

I really, really hope Dumoulin can hold on until Sunday.

 

[DFA123]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

At 26 years old he's still worth taking the risk of building a team of strong climbers around him. With a stronger team he would have a better chance in riding three weeks without cracking and getting ill.

Fair point. But if we're talking about a Sky, Movistar or BMC for example - teams who could offer a big improvement on Sunweb, they already have riders lined up waiting for GC chances. I'm sure any team would sign Dumoulin for his other abilities, but I'm not sure the best few would give him full team support in a GT if he cracks again at this Giro and finishes well down in the top 10.

 

[KGB]

Tommy has really good form.He is even taking s*th break during a queen stage then refusing sticky bottles and those skinny little biatches still can not take jersey from him.
Hopefully he will bossing them all the way to Milan.

 

[Irondan]

Great win by Vincenzo Nibali today! I'm so excited to see him riding well. As much as I'd like to see Tom Dumoulin win the GC, my favorite in this race is still Nibali, and he showed today he's a force to be reckon with.

Chapau Vinny!

 

[red_flanders]

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I was on a train during the beginning of the climb and during the "incident." from the sound of it, Quintana didn't do attack at all on the climb? From what I've read it was Zakarin and Nibali. Is that right?

Pretty much yeah, Quintana really just followed wheels all day long. It was mainly Zakarin really, the rest just responded to him.

Thanks. So are the posts about Quintana just typical forum shitposting, or actual cycling fan commentary?

I think it's because Movistar has such a bad track record of things like this the automatic response is to blame them.

I think that people who expect sportsmanship gave up on Nibali a long time ago. So they have a go at Quintana instead.

It's a race. Great win by Nibali. Stop it with wanting people to wait. I'm rooting for Dumoulin, but enough. Ride to win.

 

[Brullnux]

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Yeah he really needs to make sure either Sunweb gets him a team next year or switch teams. Though of course losing Kelderman didn't help.

I think he needs to prove he can ride three weeks without cracking or getting ill yet, before a big team will risk backing him as leader.

At 26 years old he's still worth taking the risk of building a team of strong climbers around him. With a stronger team he would have a better chance in riding three weeks without cracking and getting ill.

Fair point. But if we're talking about a Sky, Movistar or BMC for example - teams who could offer a big improvement on Sunweb, they already have riders lined up waiting for GC chances. I'm sure any team would sign Dumoulin for his other abilities, but I'm not sure the best few would give him full team support in a GT if he cracks again at this Giro and finishes well down in the top 10.

BMC could be a good shout actually. They don't have any actual gc riders.