Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 149 km

[Mr.White]

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Again Movistar shows that they are team without moral, it's okay they are leading but after the crash the push the pace even further, but okay if that is the only way that loser team can win let them.

There's another 10 contenders for GC? Movistar has to beat? Because one crashed we stop? What if it was a sprinter instead of the all important Thomas?

Movistar did nothing wrong. Sky got pilloried on here a few years ago when they carried on the pace at the Vuelta when a Movistar rider went down though.

But it was the guy in Red, the race leader. Big difference! And Sky Caused the crash, not a moto....

Rewrting history?

Valverde blamed Sky but video evidence showed that they did nothing wrong apart from upping the pace in a crosswind

She's not rewriting anything. Whole Sky upped the pace and made a dangerous move from center to the left which caused Saxo-Tinkoff rider to crash and about 20 other riders more, including the race leader Valverde.

I would like to see that video evidence of yours, because the one I saw, I've just described above

 

[Kwibus]

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It's annoying that Movi kept ramming the pace but they didn't really do anything wrong. I guess Whitey was just emotional after losing the Giro basically, which is understandable. Dave B with the more sensible interview. :lol:

It's annoying and frustating so many riders crashed because of a motorbike. Not that Movistar continued with what they were doing anyways.

Sky is mature about it so thumbs up to their reaction.

I mean the climb was just great filled with action, but in the end I still have a feeling of dissapointment and the reason is that crash.

 

[Squire]

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What does everyone think of Jungels' chances? How long will he hang on? If guys like Landa, Quintana, Nibali and even Zakarin, Pinot and Thomas attack and attack early and hard, can he hang on?

Same questions for Dumoulin as well.

I believe Dumoulin will be surprisingly good on the climbs, and that he could be a very dangerous man overall if he has kept his TT strength. I think he has been building very specifically towards the Giro, and that he'll be stronger than in Abu Dhabi and Tirreno-Adriatico.

Having talked up Dumoulin in the last few days, I'll take this moment to bask in my newfound glory as the resident oracle. :lol:

Stunning scenery on that climb, btw.

 

[Billie]

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Again Movistar shows that they are team without moral, it's okay they are leading but after the crash the push the pace even further, but okay if that is the only way that loser team can win let them.

There's another 10 contenders for GC? Movistar has to beat? Because one crashed we stop? What if it was a sprinter instead of the all important Thomas?

Movistar did nothing wrong. Sky got pilloried on here a few years ago when they carried on the pace at the Vuelta when a Movistar rider went down though.

Because they rode the race leader of the road

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I actually didn't see much that was all that wrong with what Sky did in the Valdezcaray stage, except that they'd run their mouths about Movistar not waiting for Levi Leipheimer (not in the leader's jersey) after they put pressure on during a descent in Paris-Nice and he crashed trying to stay with them (then crashed again - though this one wasn't his fault - in the attempt to race back on) so they were being massive hypocrites. The wind had meant the race was starting to break up and it wasn't like Valverde had had a mechanical or something that was unavoidable. Movistar didn't say anything when Omega Pharma distanced Valverde after an accident in the Volta a Catalunya that year, but when Sky, who earlier in the season had been running their mouths lecturing the Movistar guys about fair play, didn't wait for Valverde (who this time was in the leader's jersey), that was when they fought back about it.

 

[Aguirre]

I mean Slow

 

[Escarabajo]

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- Dumoulin to gain 1.30 on Quintana in the (not-so-flat) TT.
- Quintana has already proven he can take more than a minute on Froome on 1 climb in 3rd week of the Tour. So why doubt about him taking another 1-2 minutes in 3rd week of Giro?
- Motorbike absolutely bad positioning to stand still.
- G Thomas GPS was in comparison to Jungels.
- Kelderman out is as bad for Dumoulin as in Vuelta 15 and as Kruiswijk without team mates last year.
- Dumoulin doesn't have to follow just one wheel of Quintana: he should follow NO wheels like in Vuelta or like today.
- Nibali racing a bit silly and not controlled enough today. I still expect him to improve. He is a diesel and will shine in the last week.
- Pinot to be the joker.

This.

I will add about the crash that Giant is as well at fault for not announcing the obstacles on the road. (Someone already said it here).

It is silly some of the members faulting Movistar for not stopping or slowing for a crash not caused by them. They were already hammering for a long time. You could say they caused part of the chaos by going full gas.

Great racing today. Great plan and performance by Movistar. Nice to see Anacona alive again.

Last thing, do not underestimate Quintana in the TT. He has been practicing a lot this discipline this year.

 

[del1962]

Matt White speaks a lot of sense, Movistar could have eased the pace for a period while riders got back, but they showed a complete lack of class, this was not cross winds crashes or poor descending crashes which are part of racing

 

[Mr.White]

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I actually didn't see much that was all that wrong with what Sky did in the Valdezcaray stage, except that they'd run their mouths about Movistar not waiting for Levi Leipheimer (not in the leader's jersey) after they put pressure on during a descent in Paris-Nice and he crashed trying to stay with them (then crashed again - though this one wasn't his fault - in the attempt to race back on) so they were being massive hypocrites. The wind had meant the race was starting to break up and it wasn't like Valverde had had a mechanical or something that was unavoidable. Movistar didn't say anything when Omega Pharma distanced Valverde after an accident in the Volta a Catalunya that year, but when Sky, who earlier in the season had been running their mouths lecturing the Movistar guys about fair play, didn't wait for Valverde (who this time was in the leader's jersey), that was when they fought back about it.

Well, I saw plenty.
First, Sky collectively made a dangerous move which to a large degree caused the crash.
Second, the race was not on, Sky made a move, riders crashed after 2sec, they all saw it immediately, they heard very quickly it was race leader involved, it was far from finish, they could easily stop
Third, stage win was not at stake, breakaway was far ahead. The only thing that kept them riding was the fact that Valverde was behind. He was the only favorite behind, and I just don't see any other reason to ride except for distancing him. Valverde was furious after that stage, went straight away to Sky bus and had an argue with Portal and Flecha there.

 

[Benotti69]

Not sure why the motorbike was stopped there, but hardly a narrow road, maybe he was ordered to stop there. He had a blue flashing light and was as far over as possible so the Polizia guy did his best to be out of the way, imo.

Riders not looking ahead and riders at the head of a pack not giving warning is where i would apportion the blame. It was a straight stretch so riders should have given plenty of warnings.

I dont believe in the neutralising of a race by riders. Movistar had no reason to slow. No gifts.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

wasn't M.White(ori) the DS at the TdF 10 for Garmin when his team put 3 in front of the chase peloton for no apparently reason other than to avoid the yellow to another us team?

 

[Mr.White]

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Matt White speaks a lot of sense, Movistar could have eased the pace for a period while riders got back, but they showed a complete lack of class, this was not cross winds crashes or poor descending crashes which are part of racing

Matt White speaks lots of rubbish! Movistar worked all day, setting Nairo into the climb, going full gas, and they should stop!!! They wouldn't stop even if half of their team was in that crash! And I see White is saying Yates was 20sec from the group, they should've wait for him. Seems to me Whitey is only interested about his boy What about Landa? Thomas? Should they wait them also? Kelderman? Maybe they wait for doctor's confirmation about Kelderman, is he going to ride, or not? And on the climb, should they all ride at Landa's tempo? Is that right? Maybe Matt White knows better...

 

[killswitch]

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Not sure why the motorbike was stopped there, but hardly a narrow road, maybe he was ordered to stop there. He had a blue flashing light and was as far over as possible so the Polizia guy did his best to be out of the way, imo.

Riders not looking ahead and riders at the head of a pack not giving warning is where i would apportion the blame. It was a straight stretch so riders should have given plenty of warnings.

I dont believe in the neutralising of a race by riders. Movistar had no reason to slow. No gifts.

According to Chad Haga:
"It was stopped just after a right bend, we couldn't see it till the last moment and could only shout."

https://twitter.com/ChadHaga/status/863792195165458432

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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wasn't M.White(ori) the DS at the TdF 10 for Garmin when his team put 3 in front of the chase peloton for no apparently reason other than to avoid the yellow to another us team?

I don't know about any instances about avoiding the yellow going to another US team, but in 2010 stage 16, they set Zabriskie and Millar onto the front to peg the breakaway because Chris Horner and Rubén Plaza were threatening Ryder Hesjedal's 10th place on the GC. And Ryder was miles better than them on the following day's MTF anyway.

 

[del1962]

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Matt White speaks a lot of sense, Movistar could have eased the pace for a period while riders got back, but they showed a complete lack of class, this was not cross winds crashes or poor descending crashes which are part of racing

Matt White speaks lots of rubbish! Movistar worked all day, setting Nairo into the climb, going full gas, and they should stop!!! They wouldn't stop even if half of their team was in that crash! And I see White is saying Yates was 20sec from the group, they should've wait for him. Seems to me Whitey is only interested about his boy What about Landa? Thomas? Should they wait them also? Kelderman? Maybe they wait for doctor's confirmation about Kelderman, is he going to ride, or not? And on the climb, should they all ride at Landa's tempo? Is that right? Maybe Matt White knows better...

I am not saying wait for everyone, but at least give the riders a chance to get back on, Movistar road like total arse holes

 

[Volderke]

The place where the motorbike stopped was exactly 100 meters after a long 90 degree right hand curve. Not exactly reassuringly straight when going full gas with a peloton fighting for positions on a flat / slight downhill road where you don't expect a motorbike to be parked on the road.
First Sunweb guy actually gave a warning but time was too short to communicate warning further in the pack by taking hands of handlebars (which in itself is quite dangerous on those curvy roads).

 

[deValtos]

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I am not saying wait for everyone, but at least give the riders a chance to get back on, Movistar road like total **** holes

If they wanted to gain some fair play points then yea they can wait but since they made the pace 50km before that they also had the right to continue (but could also choose to wait.)

I do miss the days of Ulle and Armstrong waiting for each other in very crucial moments of the TDF though.

 

[Angliru]

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Classic Movistar always seem to do best in GT's when others have issues.
IE: 2014 Giro stage with the neutralized descent.

They didn't have to wait but they could have chosen to.

Thumbsuckers of the world unite!

 

[perico]

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wasn't M.White(ori) the DS at the TdF 10 for Garmin when his team put 3 in front of the chase peloton for no apparently reason other than to avoid the yellow to another us team?

Poor Hincapie (sarcasm)

 

[Angliru]

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well, hopefully it finally was the official end of landa hype train on today's stage. what he showed 2 years ago isn't worth anything at the moment.

...especially as he is injured from crashing.

thanks! nice to see you having some mercy for team sky and mikel landa in particular.

Hey, I've always liked Landa. It's unfortunate he rides for that team.

 

[dirkprovin]

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Matt White speaks a lot of sense, Movistar could have eased the pace for a period while riders got back, but they showed a complete lack of class, this was not cross winds crashes or poor descending crashes which are part of racing

Matt White speaks lots of rubbish! Movistar worked all day, setting Nairo into the climb, going full gas, and they should stop!!! They wouldn't stop even if half of their team was in that crash! And I see White is saying Yates was 20sec from the group, they should've wait for him. Seems to me Whitey is only interested about his boy What about Landa? Thomas? Should they wait them also? Kelderman? Maybe they wait for doctor's confirmation about Kelderman, is he going to ride, or not? And on the climb, should they all ride at Landa's tempo? Is that right? Maybe Matt White knows better...

I am not saying wait for everyone, but at least give the riders a chance to get back on, Movistar road like total **** holes

Sorry but they just kept on with what they'd been doing for at least the previous 15kms, its not as if they just decided to put the hammer down AFTER the event. And the fact is that the bulk of the main contenders were NOT inconvenienced by this incident. Had the latter been the case, then the case for backing off is much stronger but most likely someone in their line made a quick headcheck of who was still there and reported most of "the competition" was still there.

As it is; Mr White is showing some distinctly selective memory. Does he not recall stage 6 of the 2016 Giro (in much more treacherous conditions) where a good percentage of the field were taken out by an accident at a roundabout leading into the final climb to Monte Cassino ? Orica had already put down the hammer before the crash but THEY didn't back off but rather kept on hammering the advantage.

No one likes to see riders hit the tarmac and there certainly should be some questions asked as to why that moto was stopped where it was; but what comes around goes around with these incidents. Both SKY & Orica have taken advantage of similar situations just as Movistar has also been on the receiving end of them

 

[BetOrLose]

So Nairo Quintana is lying again, now he's saying he didn't know who was crashed, that's called ***, he know it and took advantage of it.

 

[proffz]

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"la corsa è corsa"

that is ine of the more ancient laws of road cycling.
when the race is on, no reason to slow down.
movistar was already pulling strong, no reason to ease.

it is not golf , it is ROAD cycling

 

[Benotti69]

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Not sure why the motorbike was stopped there, but hardly a narrow road, maybe he was ordered to stop there. He had a blue flashing light and was as far over as possible so the Polizia guy did his best to be out of the way, imo.

Riders not looking ahead and riders at the head of a pack not giving warning is where i would apportion the blame. It was a straight stretch so riders should have given plenty of warnings.

I dont believe in the neutralising of a race by riders. Movistar had no reason to slow. No gifts.

According to Chad Haga:
"It was stopped just after a right bend, we couldn't see it till the last moment and could only shout."

https://twitter.com/ChadHaga/status/863792195165458432

Not on TV it aint parked on a bend.

https://twitter.com/search?f=images&vertical=news&q=Geraint%20Thomas&src=tyah

 

[blaxland]

What a *** giro this is turning out to be.Stupid motorbike has ruined three riders chances of the overall.atleast pinot,mollema and dumoulin have a chance to finish second to quintana.Cant believe I stayed up for this..