Giro 2017, stage 9: Montenero di Bisaccia - Blockhaus 149 km

[deValtos]

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So Nairo Quintana is lying again, now he's saying he didn't know who was crashed, that's called ******, he know it and took advantage of it.

I would've preferred that he's just said it was a racing incident but they'd been pulling for 50km so that's that, and I don't have a problem with that, it's fine.

Pretending you didn't know a whole bunch of your main rivals were caught behind though is a bit lame.

 

[Cordi333]

People that blame Movistar today is people that don't know even a little of cycling.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Kudos to Geraint for not buying into all this non-sense. He is a straight up guy and I like that about him. And he is a real fighter, I can respect him. Wasn't to keen on him, but he is showing character, I hope he will be on the attack.

However, what I don't respect is the whining and the hypocrisy and its mainly the big Anglophone-teams doing that - Orica, Sky, Cannondale and BMC while the other, more traditional teams, if you will, keep their mouth shout (generally speaking) and just go about their own thing.

 

[ferryman]

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What a **** giro this is turning out to be.Stupid motorbike has ruined three riders chances of the overall.atleast pinot,mollema and dumoulin have a chance to finish second to quintana.Cant believe I stayed up for this..

You South Eastern Australian? Missed the live stage today but just about to watch the highlights on ES with a bottle of perfectly chilled Blaxland Estate Chardonnay

 

[jaylew]

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Matt White speaks a lot of sense, Movistar could have eased the pace for a period while riders got back, but they showed a complete lack of class, this was not cross winds crashes or poor descending crashes which are part of racing

Matt White speaks lots of rubbish! Movistar worked all day, setting Nairo into the climb, going full gas, and they should stop!!! They wouldn't stop even if half of their team was in that crash! And I see White is saying Yates was 20sec from the group, they should've wait for him. Seems to me Whitey is only interested about his boy What about Landa? Thomas? Should they wait them also? Kelderman? Maybe they wait for doctor's confirmation about Kelderman, is he going to ride, or not? And on the climb, should they all ride at Landa's tempo? Is that right? Maybe Matt White knows better...

I am not saying wait for everyone, but at least give the riders a chance to get back on, Movistar road like total **** holes

Are you kidding? There's a reason even most Sky and Orica fans don't agree with you and why Thomas and Sky aren't complaining.

What were they supposed to do? They wouldn't have known all the particulars of the crash for awhile. So, once they finally knew that 3 (of 12) GC guys crashed due to a moto (and poor riding by a rider or two), they're supposed to slow down and let people get back on? How long do you wait? How do you know when to turn it back on? Do you just wait for Yates? Thomas too? What about Landa? What about the guys who had already been dropped due to the pace? I can guarantee you another team would have taken up the pace if they'd slowed it down anyway.

Movistar had been hammering on the front as part of their plan. Why on earth would they stop an undo their work because some people happened to crash no matter how it happened? It's not like it was some accident that took out the entire peloton. The maglia rosa didn't go down. Not that it would or should matter but who even knows when the riders knew who went down, how they went down, why they went down, etc...all they did was continue riding the way they were riding.

Besides, part of the reason you have your team on the front there is to give your guy a better chance to avoid any kind of crash that might happen due to teams moving up to position their guy for the climb. Movi's pace probably even contributed to the crash happening - when riders are pushing harder there's always a bigger chance of a crash.

I'm also upset the crash happened; I really wanted to see how Landa, Geraint, Kelderman, and Yates would have performed, but Movistar did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

[proffz]

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it is not a question of being anglo american or mediterranean.

it is about knowing racing, road cycling....it is about having historical memory and knowledge of what is racing.
it is about having been a racer, it is about having had a number stuck on your bicycle, it is about having been in cycling since you were a kid...

if you know cycling and road racing , you know that there is no reason not to put the hammer down if you are in the head of the peloton approaching the decisive climb of the day..

it does not matter whether you are anglo american or italo-colombian, it matters if you know what road cycling has always been like.
road cycling has always been a different sport. it takes place on the road ( su strada), and the rules comes from the road...

it is a race on the road...

 

[dirkprovin]

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Kudos to Geraint for not buying into all this non-sense. He is a straight up guy and I like that about him. And he is a real fighter, I can respect him. Wasn't to keen on him, but he is showing character, I hope he will be on the attack.

However, what I don't respect is the whining and the hypocrisy and its mainly the big Anglophone-teams doing that - Orica, Sky, Cannondale and BMC while the other, more traditional teams, if you will, keep their mouth shout (generally speaking) and just go about their own thing.

Yeah; I'm far from a UK Postal fanboy but I have to respect them here. They know that they've taken full advantage of similar situations themselves so they're not whinging about Movistar or any of the others not slowing down. Conversely, White (whom I usually have time for) really should've cooled down before doing any media. He should know that he, as a DS, has pushed his team(s) in the past to take full advantage of similar situations

 

[jaylew]

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So Nairo Quintana is lying again, now he's saying he didn't know who was crashed, that's called ******, he know it and took advantage of it.

Here's his quote: "I was well ahead, there was a crash behind, and I heard that had happened, but I had no idea there were so many GC riders involved."

So please explain to me how you know when Nairo knew exactly who had crashed? Of course you can't because you're talking out of your a**. You have absolutely no way of knowing exactly when Nairo knew who crashed. You have no way of knowing at what point in the race he's referring to in his statement. Therefore, you have no way of knowing if he was lying or not.

It's not cool to call someone a liar just because you're butthurt.

 

[blaxland]

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What a **** giro this is turning out to be.Stupid motorbike has ruined three riders chances of the overall.atleast pinot,mollema and dumoulin have a chance to finish second to quintana.Cant believe I stayed up for this..

You South Eastern Australian? Missed the live stage today but just about to watch the highlights on ES with a bottle of perfectly chilled Blaxland Estate Chardonnay

Well played ferryman..touche

 

[ice&fire]

Someone should recall White this magical word: Montecassino.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Movistar did everything right. They're here to win with Quintana, and preferably easily to he has a chance to contest the Tour as well.

It's unfortunate Nairo has to pretend he didn't know who crashed to appease the faux fair play types.

 

[ferryman]

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What a **** giro this is turning out to be.Stupid motorbike has ruined three riders chances of the overall.atleast pinot,mollema and dumoulin have a chance to finish second to quintana.Cant believe I stayed up for this..

You South Eastern Australian? Missed the live stage today but just about to watch the highlights on ES with a bottle of perfectly chilled Blaxland Estate Chardonnay

Well played ferryman..touche

Was actually being genuine. Was catching up on posts on here before firing up the ES highlights. Saw your post minutes after I did just crack open a bottle of Blaxland!! But I can see how it could have been taken differently Anyhoo, stupid moto accident aside, cracking ride by Dumoulin. Will surely be in pink come Tuesday night. Nairo, scary this early. Jury out on Nibali. Pinot, interesting, not only talking the talk. Very impressive and mature immediate post race interview given by Thomas.

 

[blaxland]

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What a **** giro this is turning out to be.Stupid motorbike has ruined three riders chances of the overall.atleast pinot,mollema and dumoulin have a chance to finish second to quintana.Cant believe I stayed up for this..

You South Eastern Australian? Missed the live stage today but just about to watch the highlights on ES with a bottle of perfectly chilled Blaxland Estate Chardonnay

Well played ferryman..touche

Was actually being genuine. Was catching up on posts on here before firing up the ES highlights. Saw your post minutes after I did just crack open a bottle of Blaxland!! But I can see how it could have been taken differently Anyhoo, stupid moto accident aside, cracking ride by Dumoulin. Will surely be in pink come Tuesday night. Nairo, scary this early. Jury out on Nibali. Pinot, interesting, not only talking the talk. Very impressive and mature immediate post race interview given by Thomas.

Ok all good ferryman....lets hope the TT shakes things up a bit.Hoping tom can win this giro overall but a long way to go.

 

[Escarabajo]

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So Nairo Quintana is lying again, now he's saying he didn't know who was crashed, that's called ******, he know it and took advantage of it.

So what!
Who cares!
They should put new guidelines on how to behave when someone crashes. Like stopping on the road to drink a cup of tea while all the other riders stand up and make it to the front.

 

[movingtarget]

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Kudos to Geraint for not buying into all this non-sense. He is a straight up guy and I like that about him. And he is a real fighter, I can respect him. Wasn't to keen on him, but he is showing character, I hope he will be on the attack.

However, what I don't respect is the whining and the hypocrisy and its mainly the big Anglophone-teams doing that - Orica, Sky, Cannondale and BMC while the other, more traditional teams, if you will, keep their mouth shout (generally speaking) and just go about their own thing.

Terrible isn't how it's always the big Anglophone teams whining when things don't go their way. You have a selective memory.

 

[richo36]

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Movistar did nothing wrong. Why should they be punished by having to wait.

To me the rule is simple. As long as you don't change what you are doing after a crash/mechanical or are directly at fault of said crash/mechanical then you can keep going.

Movistar did not increase the tempo after the crash. The pace was already high. Also they were not at fault of the crash, so they were good to push on. I think whites comments were said before he calmed down. Surely he doesn't honestly believe what he said now that the heat of the moment is over. Knowing that your main goal is gone for the race and it was totally out of your control would be incredibly frustrating.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

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Not sure why the motorbike was stopped there, but hardly a narrow road, maybe he was ordered to stop there. He had a blue flashing light and was as far over as possible so the Polizia guy did his best to be out of the way, imo.

Riders not looking ahead and riders at the head of a pack not giving warning is where i would apportion the blame. It was a straight stretch so riders should have given plenty of warnings.

I dont believe in the neutralising of a race by riders. Movistar had no reason to slow. No gifts.

According to Chad Haga:
"It was stopped just after a right bend, we couldn't see it till the last moment and could only shout."

https://twitter.com/ChadHaga/status/863792195165458432

Not on TV it aint parked on a bend.

https://twitter.com/search?f=images&vertical=news&q=Geraint%20Thomas&src=tyah

Try that again. He said it was parked after a right hand bend, which explains why most riders wouldn't have seen it. But you obviously know more...

 

[StryderHells]

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Kudos to Geraint for not buying into all this non-sense. He is a straight up guy and I like that about him. And he is a real fighter, I can respect him. Wasn't to keen on him, but he is showing character, I hope he will be on the attack.

However, what I don't respect is the whining and the hypocrisy and its mainly the big Anglophone-teams doing that - Orica, Sky, Cannondale and BMC while the other, more traditional teams, if you will, keep their mouth shout (generally speaking) and just go about their own thing.

Well that's not really true is it, I remember Movistar having a whinge after stage 11 of last years Tour about the stage being dangerous when Quintana lost time to Froome in the crosswinds. All the teams and riders complain when they think they've been wronged.

 

[hfer07]

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"It's just unfortunate," Thomas said. "It shouldn't have happened, but that's what happened and I don't blame them [Movistar], they were already riding a good while before that."


"G" telling it without excuses, blaming, and the overreacting drama that occurs frequently around here. Class act & hopefully he recovers well on the rest day.


BTW - Landa got the worst of that crash and he ain't complaining aloud either......

 

[StryderHells]

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wasn't M.White(ori) the DS at the TdF 10 for Garmin when his team put 3 in front of the chase peloton for no apparently reason other than to avoid the yellow to another us team?

I don't know about any instances about avoiding the yellow going to another US team, but in 2010 stage 16, they set Zabriskie and Millar onto the front to peg the breakaway because Chris Horner and Rubén Plaza were threatening Ryder Hesjedal's 10th place on the GC. And Ryder was miles better than them on the following day's MTF anyway.

I think Jungle Cycle was actually referring to Stage 14 of the 2009 Tour when Garmin worked on the front in the last 20 ks for no apparent reason which prevented HTC and George Hincapie from taking yellow by 5 seconds.

 

[bassano]

Just stop with accusations of Movistar,
If someone really think that Movistar should wait for them, it is probably time to stop watching cycling for you, that is a part of race and they can not stop every time when someone is involved in crash, I do not want see boring nonsense races where everyone will wait for every puncture, mechanical and crash it happened, that is not race anymore, they can just measuse watts of contenders and make order based to that
Yates and Thomas crashes, that happened, but it is crap that race shoul stop beacuse 3 of 20 GC contenders were on ground, it is just nonsense

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Kudos to Geraint for not buying into all this non-sense. He is a straight up guy and I like that about him. And he is a real fighter, I can respect him. Wasn't to keen on him, but he is showing character, I hope he will be on the attack.

However, what I don't respect is the whining and the hypocrisy and its mainly the big Anglophone-teams doing that - Orica, Sky, Cannondale and BMC while the other, more traditional teams, if you will, keep their mouth shout (generally speaking) and just go about their own thing.

Well that's not really true is it, I remember Movistar having a whinge after stage 11 of last years Tour about the stage being dangerous when Quintana lost time to Froome in the crosswinds. All the teams and riders complain when they think they've been wronged.

Exactly, and don't forget the Movistar whinge over the whole Valverde and Sky incident during the Vuelta a few years back, even though Sky were already massing at the front when Valverde crashed.

Every team has a moan when they are upset about something, let's not start discriminating please.

 

[DFA123]

Is there any official word yet on whether Thomas has actually broken anything or has he only got cuts and bruises? It was a very strange aftermath to the crash; Landa was up straight away and looked OK, but clearly isn't based on his time loss. While Thomas looked in agony, like for sure he had broken a collarbone, but then probably put in a top 10 time climbing Blockhaus and played down the crash in interviews. In which case, I wonder if he could have got back on the bike a bit quicker, notwithstanding the shock of crashing etc...

 

[Valv.Piti]

Each to their own. Its a trend I've noticed which includes incidents like yesterday, but also clinic stuff. Not saying the traditional cycling teams ran by Spaniards and Italians not are doing that, just that these teams I mentioned are a lot faster to take to Twitter or whatever to voice the frustration with something. And it probably has a lot to do with their mother tongue is English so that kind of stuff its a lot easier, you won't see Valverde do that, for example.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Is there any official word yet on whether Thomas has actually broken anything or has he only got cuts and bruises? It was a very strange aftermath to the crash; Landa was up straight away and looked OK, but clearly isn't based on his time loss. While Thomas looked in agony, like for sure he had broken a collarbone, but then probably put in a top 10 time climbing Blockhaus and played down the crash in interviews. In which case, I wonder if he could have got back on the bike a bit quicker, notwithstanding the shock of crashing etc...

He said after the stage he felt his shoulder pop out after the crash but was ok to carry on, which probably explains the look of someone who may have had a collarbone injury. Thankfully it wasn't that serious.

No further news other than at this stage he plans to fight on.