Giro 2018 stage 18: Abbiategrasso – Prato Nevoso 196 km

[Rollthedice]

Pello Zubeldia still going strong.

 

[Poursuivant]

Haven’t seen it yet but I think Yates is done, there is going to be carnage tomorrow and Saturday, how will he keep his 28” lead after losing 28” here?

 

[DFA123]

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Guys, both attacks were necessary to drop Yates. If Dumo hadn't attacked, Yates wouldn't have been in the red when Froome attacked, but Dumo had given up his attack when Froome attacked, so if Froome hadn't attacked, Dumo might have just ridden in with Yates, not realizing how close he'd been to cracking him.

Poels played an important role as well in growing the gap. Dumoulin getting more help from the Dutch cabal. Yates meanwhile, getting the exact opposite from his fellow Brit; what a divided nation!

 

[Kwibus]

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[quoVayaVayaVaya"]

Pozzovivo to win this Giro.

Anybody but Dumo

Can't criticize him for just following. His attack is what put Yates in difficulty.

Nope, second attack put Yates in difficulty. What a shame it was Dawg attack.
Yes, anybody but Dumo, even Pinot.

You don't understand. Dumo attacks, puts Yates in the red. Froome attacks right after and since Yates is in the red he gets dropped.

Dumoulin is the initiator of Yates getting dropped.

Guys, both attacks were necessary to drop Yates. If Dumo hadn't attacked, Yates wouldn't have been in the red when Froome attacked, but Dumo had given up his attack when Froome attacked, so if Froome hadn't attacked, Dumo might have just ridden in with Yates, not realizing how close he'd been to cracking him.[/quote]

Obviously

 

[Kwibus]

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Guys, both attacks were necessary to drop Yates. If Dumo hadn't attacked, Yates wouldn't have been in the red when Froome attacked, but Dumo had given up his attack when Froome attacked, so if Froome hadn't attacked, Dumo might have just ridden in with Yates, not realizing how close he'd been to cracking him.

Poels played an important role as well in growing the gap. Dumoulin getting more help from the Dutch cabal. Yates meanwhile, getting the exact opposite from his fellow Brit; what a divided nation!

Poels was riding for Froome, they smell blood as well.
It's a bit too early to just dumoulin work don't you think? This had absolutely nothing to do with dutchies helping each other.

 

[SlickMongoose]

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I think it's either pretending or just 1 off day by Yates honestly. Let's see.

If 1 of the top 5 goes on the finestre tomorrow then everything can happen. Gc could shuffle completely.

Pretending..... :lol: What a ridiculous comment.

 

[DFA123]

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Guys, both attacks were necessary to drop Yates. If Dumo hadn't attacked, Yates wouldn't have been in the red when Froome attacked, but Dumo had given up his attack when Froome attacked, so if Froome hadn't attacked, Dumo might have just ridden in with Yates, not realizing how close he'd been to cracking him.

Poels played an important role as well in growing the gap. Dumoulin getting more help from the Dutch cabal. Yates meanwhile, getting the exact opposite from his fellow Brit; what a divided nation!

Poels was riding for Froome, they smell blood as well.
It's a bit too early to just dumoulin work don't you think? This had absolutely nothing to do with dutchies helping each other.

Obviously

 

[Ivan_Basso_77]

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Pozzovivo to win this Giro.

Vincenzo to call him and tell him to attack on Finestre tomorrow, please. Would be a great joy to see Domenico take pink.

 

[skippo12]

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Pello Zubeldia still going strong.

He is disqualified from the competition...as is Konrad. Both attacked today and I saw them in live coverage.
Disgraceful performance for a Zubeldia

 

[Big Doopie]

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Anybody but Dumo

really? dumo is by far the best all-rounder. gts should always reward the best all-rounder. not some tiny waif that the only thing they can do is climb.

He rode well in both TTs. Dumoulin beats him on one climb and suddenly he's the best ? So far Yates has been the best all rounder as Dumoulin got most of his time back in the TTs. Anyway two stages more and questions will be answered. Interesting race.

that is precisely my argument. GTs have so skewed towards climbers now, that "fans" expect the winner has to beat everyone on the climbs. in fact, that is traditionally wrong. the best all-rounders are usually riders who top five (at minimum!) in the ITTs and then limit damage in the mountains, sometimes wearing the climbers down in the third week -- see merckx, see hinault, see lemond...

if there was even 25 more km of ITT (which would still make the whole thing slanted towards climbers) this would not even be a race.

 

[yaco]

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Anybody but Dumo

really? dumo is by far the best all-rounder. gts should always reward the best all-rounder. not some tiny waif that the only thing they can do is climb.

He rode well in both TTs. Dumoulin beats him on one climb and suddenly he's the best ? So far Yates has been the best all rounder as Dumoulin got most of his time back in the TTs. Anyway two stages more and questions will be answered. Interesting race.

that is precisely my argument. GTs have so skewed towards climbers now, that "fans" expect the winner has to beat everyone on the climbs. in fact, that is traditionally wrong. the best all-rounders are usually riders who top five (at minimum!) in the ITTs and then limit damage in the mountains, sometimes wearing the climbers down in the third week -- see merckx, see hinault, see lemond...

if there was even 25 more km of ITT (which would still make the whole thing slanted towards climbers) this would not even be a race.

Except Dumoulin in an interview yesterday stated the ITT balance in GT's is just about right - You are another one caught in the pre 2000 time warp - The fact is leading contenders usually gain in the seconds on mountain stages, unlike pre-2000 when you could drop minutes.

 

[Frankschleck]

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Pello Zubeldia still going strong.

He attacked today. Not Zubeldia anymore. Would say pinot is the Zubeldia of this giro. Just following wheels.

 

[staubsauger]

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Anybody but Dumo

really? dumo is by far the best all-rounder. gts should always reward the best all-rounder. not some tiny waif that the only thing they can do is climb.

He rode well in both TTs. Dumoulin beats him on one climb and suddenly he's the best ? So far Yates has been the best all rounder as Dumoulin got most of his time back in the TTs. Anyway two stages more and questions will be answered. Interesting race.

that is precisely my argument. GTs have so skewed towards climbers now, that "fans" expect the winner has to beat everyone on the climbs. in fact, that is traditionally wrong. the best all-rounders are usually riders who top five (at minimum!) in the ITTs and then limit damage in the mountains, sometimes wearing the climbers down in the third week -- see merckx, see hinault, see lemond...

if there was even 25 more km of ITT (which would still make the whole thing slanted towards climbers) this would not even be a race.

Except Dumoulin in an interview yesterday stated the ITT balance in GT's is just about right - You are another one caught in the pre 2000 time warp - The fact is leading contenders usually gain in the seconds on mountain stages, unlike pre-2000 when you could drop minutes.

It's why Pantanis Giro-Tour double was so magnificent, he slaughtered Zülle and especially Ullrich in the mountains to make up his lost minutes from the TT!

Also Virenque finished 2nd at the TdF much more legendary than Bardet, because he was forced and allowed to break free after his major time loss in the TT. Same goes for Pantani at the Giro 1994 against Berzin.

Guys like Armstrong & Froome win anyway, at least make the pure climber earn his 2nd or 3rd spot properly. The current TdF design is complete *** and IMHO that clown Prudhomme finally needs to be fired from his job for being a disgrace to cycling.

The Giro d'Italia though, adjusted to today's racing, tends to have quite balanced routes. Most notable of course the 2015 edition with Contador & Landa, if it hasn't for Aru to *** up the whole race at Sestriere!

 

[dfromdub]

Yates said right after the TT that he was done attacking and that he was going to ride on defense for the whole third week.

I wonder if he was bluffing and just got a bad day or if he knew he spent a bit too much in the previous weeks.

 

[movingtarget]

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[quote="

Anybody but Dumo

really? dumo is by far the best all-rounder. gts should always reward the best all-rounder. not some tiny waif that the only thing they can do is climb.

He rode well in both TTs. Dumoulin beats him on one climb and suddenly he's the best ? So far Yates has been the best all rounder as Dumoulin got most of his time back in the TTs. Anyway two stages more and questions will be answered. Interesting race.

that is precisely my argument. GTs have so skewed towards climbers now, that "fans" expect the winner has to beat everyone on the climbs. in fact, that is traditionally wrong. the best all-rounders are usually riders who top five (at minimum!) in the ITTs and then limit damage in the mountains, sometimes wearing the climbers down in the third week -- see merckx, see hinault, see lemond...

if there was even 25 more km of ITT (which would still make the whole thing slanted towards climbers) this would not even be a race.

I have to admit I would like to see the TT distances and courses mixed up more. I never like the TTTs. But sometimes a longer TT or a mountain TT is a good thing for the race and it could also promote more attacks in the mountains and intermediate stages. I think the TT distances this year are okay but next year would like to see the first one longer.

 

[movingtarget]

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Yates said right after the TT that he was done attacking and that he was going to ride on defense for the whole third week.

I wonder if he was bluffing and just got a bad day or if he knew he spent a bit too much in the previous weeks.

You should get your answer tomorrow........

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Giro 2018 stage18: Abbiategrasso – Prato Nevoso 196 km

About the ones saying Yates is bluffing: Deliberately losing half your advantage and motivate riders further behind in the gc to go for the win in the coming stages might be the most stupid bluff in the history of pro sport. Maybe it was only a bad day but after this stage not only dumoulin but also froome, pozzo and maybe even Lopez will have smelled blood. I don't want to be in Yates skin right now

 

[Kwibus]

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About the ones saying Yates is bluffing: Deliberately losing half your advantage and motivate riders further behind in the gc to go for the win in the coming stages might be the most stupid bluff in the history of pro sport. Maybe it was only a bad day but after this stage not only dumoulin but also froome, pozzo and maybe even Lopez will have smelled blood. I don't want to be in Yates skin right now

It's bluffing because he's so much beeter than everyone because of clinic reasons and they want to lower suspicions.

Ofcourse thats bs though,,

 

[Big Doopie]

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You are another one caught in the pre 2000 time warp - The fact is leading contenders usually gain in the seconds on mountain stages, unlike pre-2000 when you could drop minutes.

perhaps.

but if you want GTs to reward the best all-rounder, then things are completely out of whack.

he may have not been the favorite at the time, but there is a reason anquetil won five TDFs. and he was certainly not dropping anyone in the mountains.

The fact of the matter is Dumolin, Jungels and even Dennis are more the mold of the GT winner, not Quintana, Bardet, Simons, etc... Climbers use to lose 10-12 mins in TTs. Now almost nothing. It is ridiculous.

no wonder no one gives a crap about the best climber jersey, because now the purest of climbers can target the overall. that makes no sense to me.

The true greats have always been excellent at TTing. The race of TRUTH.

 

[Inquitus]

Dumoulin now narrowly the bookies favourite for the race!

 

[yaco]

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You are another one caught in the pre 2000 time warp - The fact is leading contenders usually gain in the seconds on mountain stages, unlike pre-2000 when you could drop minutes.

perhaps.

but if you want GTs to reward the best all-rounder, then things are completely out of whack.

he may have not been the favorite at the time, but there is a reason anquetil won five TDFs. and he was certainly not dropping anyone in the mountains.

The fact of the matter is Dumolin, Jungels and even Dennis are more the mold of the GT winner, not Quintana, Bardet, Simons, etc... Climbers use to lose 10-12 mins in TTs. Now almost nothing. It is ridiculous.

no wonder no one gives a crap about the best climber jersey, because now the purest of climbers can target the overall. that makes no sense to me.

The true greats have always been excellent at TTing. The race of TRUTH.

Your response you are living in a time warp - The fact is that a greater percentage of GT's are won by the better TT'ers, rather than the better climbers - Race Directors are trying to level up the playing field - You want an all-round rider - Then you should be demanding GT's have cobbled stages, LBL type stages etc,etc.

 

[huge]

Wow. Tbh, I was not expecting that.

Yates being dropped as he was.... well, it does not matter the reason, bad day or starting to fade. The fact is that his opponents were gifted a huge, huge boost in confidence. Instead of starting tomorrow stage wondering how to put Yates in difficulties, they are now thinking of one word only: ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! Yates won't sleep tonight.

 

[huge]

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Pozzovivo to win this Giro.

Vincenzo to call him and tell him to attack on Finestre tomorrow, please. Would be a great joy to see Domenico take pink.

I must say there is one thing that I'm really not liking about Pozzo.

Perhaps it's because he is not used to fight for the win or he is not confident enough, but he is not riding to win the Giro. His goal is to defend his third place on the podium... he even said that... I mean... Pozzo... WTF???!

Los cojones, Pozzo. Los cojones!! Fight for pink! Not for third.

I hope Enzo really calls him and shakes him up!

 

[JosephK]

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Pozzovivo to win this Giro.

Vincenzo to call him and tell him to attack on Finestre tomorrow, please. Would be a great joy to see Domenico take pink.

I must say there is one thing that I'm really not liking about Pozzo.

Perhaps it's because he is not used to fight for the win or he is not confident enough, but he is not riding to win the Giro. His goal is to defend his third place on the podium... he even said that... I mean... Pozzo... WTF???!

Los cojones, Pozzo. Los cojones!! Fight for pink! Not for third.

I hope Enzo really calls him and shakes him up!

It could be a diversion. Maybe Pozzo is timing everything perfectly and getting his mojo right for Friday and Saturday. Maybe he is secretly being counseled by The Shark of Messina.

 

[greenedge]

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Anybody but Dumo

really? dumo is by far the best all-rounder. gts should always reward the best all-rounder. not some tiny waif that the only thing they can do is climb.[/quote]

Out of all the GT climbers (except Aru...) though Yates did the best time trial so I wouldn't consider him as only just a climber.