Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[DONCA]

What should we be seeing?

We’re seeing an incredibly fast acceleration even though he was braking beforehand and not pedaling. Where is that acceleration coming from? It looks so unnatural.

And i know that you take the speed out of the corner even if you are braking but not like this.
It doesn´t look like the normal grip loss → grip regained

For me it looks like strong push coming out of nowhere.

After braking and not pedaling you normally lose speed or did he just invented a new drifting technique with whom you gain speed even if you brake.

 

[peterfin]

how is it possible that a sub 65kg like him can drop almost everyone on a flat course even without a lower ftp?

Insane recovery and aero would explain a lot but his position on the bike is actually not great at all.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

how is it possible that a sub 65kg like him can drop almost everyone on a flat course even without a lower ftp?

no one literally no one has any kind of explanations for this!

This might also be because he isn't a sub 65kg rider. Maybe in the Tour, but surely not in the classics.

 

[SorelyBoy]

We’re seeing an incredibly fast acceleration even though he was braking beforehand and not pedaling. Where is that acceleration coming from? It looks so unnatural.

And i know that you take the speed out of the corner even if you are braking but not like this.
It doesn´t look like the normal grip loss → grip regained

For me it looks like strong push coming out of nowhere.

After braking and not pedaling you normally lose speed or did he just invented a new drifting technique with whom you gain speed even if you brake.

I’ve seen others commenting on this elsewhere, specifically at last year’s race. Ultimately, for me, I just don’t understand how a small lightweight rider generates enough power over that type of terrain to even live with the likes of a Van Aert , a MVDP, a Pedersen, never mind actually compete to win the race. He shouldn’t be able to live with them on the flat. One more hilly terrain, maybe it gets competitive, but even there I’ve seen him doing things which just don’t look natural. As I’ve commented before, his accelerations look effortless and outright strange, instant power, little sign his body is pushing any additional energy through his legs. Factor in all the other empirical data, and there is something very very strange going on here.

 

[Gratemans]

I'm looking at Pog with just as much scepticism as a lot of people in this section, but that very short clip is some weak-ass evidence to me. It doesn't even look off.
I don't know where you see this "huge acceleration"? To me it looks exactly like the normal grip-loss -> grip regained. There are way more dubious clips than this one imo.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Insane recovery and aero would explain a lot but his position on the bike is actually not great at all.

Yes, his position in the bike is terrible from an aerodynamic perspective. Compare again to Wout on Sunday who was beautifully positioned, nice flat back, rigid core. Pogacar was presenting his chest straight into the wind. Perhaps he does that because he knows he can. But in this post marginal gains era, I’d expect that any decent coach would want him to improve that seated position.

 

[SorelyBoy]

We’re seeing an incredibly fast acceleration even though he was braking beforehand and not pedaling. Where is that acceleration coming from? It looks so unnatural.

And i know that you take the speed out of the corner even if you are braking but not like this.
It doesn´t look like the normal grip loss → grip regained

For me it looks like strong push coming out of nowhere.

After braking and not pedaling you normally lose speed or did he just invented a new drifting technique with whom you gain speed even if you brake.

Just watched it. Multiple times. That looks like a back wheel under its own power and spinning away at a much faster rate than the front wheel, despite the fact that Pogacar was obviously not peddling coming into and through that bend. It’s not because he was furiously peddling and the wheel is losing grip. No, he has already slowed into the corner and is letting his momentum take him through, his legs just holding position. Compare to Van Aert’s bike, same situation, similar line, not peddling also. The back wheel turns normally in synchronicity with the front as you would expect. What the hell is going on here?

 

[meat puppet]

If I understood right, Wva peak power during Pog auchy attack was about 1200w per Velon. Literally fighting the bike, on the saddle. Pog also must have been generating a similar wattage. No drafting and not a particularly aero position. But this with 8kg or so less muscle mass.

 

[Shakes]

Pogacar being best at classics and grand yours/climbing remains ridiculous. As that means he has the best w/kg for long climbs, highest absolute power for classics and highest 1m w/kg and absolute power.

Lance perhaps could have done it as he had very high absolute power but he didn't have anything resembling a spring. Historically you need more muscles for higher absolute power which is a drag on climbs. EPO offset some off that historically but Lance and Ullrich were also heavier than Pogacar is now. So it does not add up. You can't be the best in relative and absolute terms. Last time that happened was in 70s, never since.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Peopel dont understand meaning of word absolute power,lmaoo.you constantly hear absolute power wins on flat.NO,it doesnot and it never did.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Also on climbs there are many forms of watts per killo that makes you win plus recovery.in other words you can match my watts per killo,but i will still destroy you.enough of free lessions.