Giro del Trentino - 19th to 22rd of April, 2.HC

[theyoungest]

by that same token he lost more than 3 minutes in the first itt because of 3 bike changes, so without that he woudl've won giro. one look at the final stage to sestrieres despite his attacking the days before tells you he truly was the best climber that giro and had incredible recuperation. without him losing all that time in first weke he would've won giro by minutes as he already came like within 40 seconds on sestrieres in his first gt at barely 23. something I've never seen since.

I remember a certain Andy Schleck being second in the Giro at age 21. Including an impressive performance on the Zoncolan.

 

[boomcie]

also cus we have actually seen him perform in the giro 2005.

but ya i only have a little hope left for rujano and it can be gone if he does nothing in this year's giro.

btw acf where you watching cycling back in 2005? cus tbh for people who have never seen rujano perform like in 2005 all this hype must be really annoying XD

he's been doing well so far. the guy isn't in topshape yet but already dropped everyone like a sack of cany on the bocchetta in giro appennino. fors ure he will be there this giro and he'll be in his 2009 shape of vuelta colombia. the best I've ever seen any rider perform in the mountains.

You guys really know how to make someone unpopular. He never really bothered me and I enjoyed his 2005 performance. Still, since I signed up on this forum I've seen him praised into ****ing heaven and this is totally unsolicited. Now he annoys the **** out of me.

Same goes for the immensely annoying Mauricio Soler, the worst cyclist in history (flamebait) .

 

[Mellow Velo]

by that same token he lost more than 3 minutes in the first itt because of 3 bike changes, so without that he woudl've won giro. one look at the final stage to sestrieres despite his attacking the days before tells you he truly was the best climber that giro and had incredible recuperation. without him losing all that time in first weke he would've won giro by minutes as he already came like within 40 seconds on sestrieres in his first gt at barely 23. something I've never seen since.

Uuummm, by the same token, he lost 2'-20" ish to Savoldelli on the Zoldo Alto stage.............which was the first, hard mountain stage.

Like I said, he finished that Giro as the best climber, but he sure didn't start out the best.

I see theyoungest has pointed out another large error in your rational, too.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

andy schleck became 2nd by just following. he didn't make the race and finished on 2 minutes and wasn't really a threat to di luca anywhere in the giro. an amazing performance, don't get me wrong but I found rujano to be more impressive.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Uuummm, by the same token, he lost 2'-20" ish to Savoldelli on the Zoldo Alto stage.............which was the first, hard mountain stage.

Like I said, he finished that Giro as the best climber, but he sure didn't start out the best.

I see theyoungest has pointed out another large error in your rational, too.

like I said. he didn't start the giro in the best of shape, which makes it even more amazing

 

[will10]

I can't wait for the Giro to be over simply so we know one way or the other about Rujano, these discussions about him crop up on every thread FFS...

 

[hrotha]

Yes I hope Rujano goes back to his 2005 level. Also, can't wait for the comeback of 2008 Cobo and 2005 Armstrong.

 

[boomcie]

Yes I hope Rujano goes back to his 2005 level. Also, can't wait for the comeback of 2008 Cobo and 2005 Armstrong.

touché. You forgot the 1996 Ullrich and the 2005 Van Huffel.

 

[wirral]

It appears there is no live feed. Are there updates anywhere (preferably in English)?

 

[Duartista]

Yes I hope Rujano goes back to his 2005 level. Also, can't wait for the comeback of 2008 Cobo and 2005 Armstrong.

I don't see the point of pre-emptively condemning Rujano when the favourites for the Giro (Contador, Scarponi, Menchov, Nibali to a lesser extent) are not exactly free of suspicion. Rujano's 2006 season was a farce with the move to Quickstep, 2007 he crashed badly in Amstel Gold and was out for the season, 2008 he came back and unsurprisingly struggled to find form after 2 wasted seasons. Still, he showed glimpses of his talent in mountain time trials and the Tour of Germany. 2009 he was arguably stronger than 2005, 2010 less so but still good. There would be nothing particularly suspicious about him doing well in the Giro.

PS: He has a hereditary problem with blood sugar levels which may have contributed to his problems.

 

[will10]

We know all that, like I said it's been on every thread lately

 

[hrotha]

The other favourites don't happen to ride for Gianni Savio.

 

[Ferminal]

Rujano? meh.
People seem to have forgotten he was allowed to get into two, successive breaks (both stages won by Parra) in the mountains.
In terms of the GC, they were worth over 5 minutes.
He was a virtual unknown, so he was cut a lot of slack.
Not any more.

Having said that, he ended the race so hot, he would have taken the whole thing if there had been one more stage in the hills.

A similar sort of ride to Santi Perez in the 2004 Vuelta.

He lost stupid time on a couple of the early stages too (some tricky finishes).

Everyone seemed to have one bad day in the mountain (or a disastrous one in the case of ET). Gibo was probably the most consistent.

If you have a bad day in 2011, against the likes of Contador, Anton and Rodriguez, you are going to lose the race right there.

I'm not sure anyone thinks Rujano will be fighting for a podium. But people are certainly hoping he can find some of his best form and contest a couple of the big mountain stages. He's the kind who will stir the pot by trying to make something happen before the final climb.

 

[Duartista]

The other favourites don't happen to ride for Gianni Savio.

Scarponi did last year, and he doesn't seem to be getting any worse. Contador has ridden for Saiz and Bruyneel etc etc. I'm not saying you are wrong about Savio, but many if not most DS's are similarly dodgy, which is a big problem. I just don't think it is fair to single out Rujano and say it would be scandalous if he did well.

 

[hrotha]

Scarponi did last year, and he doesn't seem to be getting any worse. Contador has ridden for Saiz and Bruyneel etc etc. I'm not saying you are wrong about Savio, but many if not most DS's are similarly dodgy, which is a big problem. I just don't think it is fair to single out Rujano and say it would be scandalous if he did well.

Oh gods, don't get me started on Scarponi.

I'm not singling Rujano out, but it turns out the conversation was about him. I can't bring up all the shady characters whenever one of them is mentioned.

 

[Jamsque]

50km in, the break of the day is Krivtsov, De Maria, Witecki and Torosantucci, they have four minutes.

 

[wirral]

50km in, the break of the day is Krivtsov, De Maria, Witecki and Torosantucci, they have four minutes.

Thanks. For the update.

 

[wirral]

Thanks. For the update.

2 simultaneous hilly races both with 4-man breakaways. Gotta keep my focus!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Scarponi did last year, and he doesn't seem to be getting any worse. Contador has ridden for Saiz and Bruyneel etc etc. I'm not saying you are wrong about Savio, but many if not most DS's are similarly dodgy, which is a big problem. I just don't think it is fair to single out Rujano and say it would be scandalous if he did well.

savio has never even been in a dopingscandal. unlike the teams of contador, scarponi, menchov, di luca etc.

 

[Jamsque]

Klodi has been dropped, and Thomas Voeckler is on the attack with Scarponi and Garzelli for company.

 

[Jamsque]

Whoops my bad, Garzelli was actually dropped. Tommy V and Scarponi have 30 seconds with 3km to go.

 

[Jamsque]

Vince allo sprint il campione di Francia Thomas Voeckler (Europcar)!

Scarponi second, Niemec takes the sprint for 3rd.

 

[L'arriviste]

Vince allo sprint il campione di Francia Thomas Voeckler (Europcar)!

Scarponi second, Niemec takes the sprint for 3rd.

Voeckler is really on fire this year!

 

[Jamsque]

Nibbles was 9th in the end and lost 26 seconds.

GC:
Scarponi
Machado 14"
Nibali 15"
Ascani 16"
Voeckler 19"

 

[jaylew]

by that same token he lost more than 3 minutes in the first itt because of 3 bike changes, so without that he woudl've won giro. one look at the final stage to sestrieres despite his attacking the days before tells you he truly was the best climber that giro and had incredible recuperation. without him losing all that time in first weke he would've won giro by minutes as he already came like within 40 seconds on sestrieres in his first gt at barely 23. something I've never seen since.

I remember almost feeling bad for Gibo when Rujano just rode him off his wheel on the Sestrière stage. Almost.

I'm not sure anyone thinks Rujano will be fighting for a podium. But people are certainly hoping he can find some of his best form and contest a couple of the big mountain stages. He's the kind who will stir the pot by trying to make something happen before the final climb.

Yes.

Definitely going to have to stay off the thread and wait for the delayed coverage the next couple of stages as they should be awesome.