Giro del Trentino 2012

[sucotash]

Pozzovivo asked why nobody responded to the Dupont and Rujano attack said that the pace was so high in the group that they knew that there is no way that a solo rider will survive long in front.

Sometines there is no need to attack to make big gaps in the mountains.Constant high tempo riding does often more damage than short jumps and steady pace after. During those two days in the mountains we did not have a real attack, but gaps were very big.

Also the weather and cold today was extreme. Trentino year by year is a great race with great parcours. Maybe someday they will be in the WT regerded as the Giro's Dauphine. Trentino was the best stage race so far this season.

 

[Pippo_San]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZZbtfDanE

Quick recap with the most boring soundtrack EVER

I'm really happy for Atapuma, for his team, and the Colombian mafia of the forum

 

[hatcher]

Just caught up.

Pretty good stage. Pozzo too strong. Great win for Atapuma (or Atapana or Atapuna or Atupana or Michael Rodriguez).

 

[karlboss]

just watched it, i recorded the eurosport broadcast this afternoon.

Why did Liquigas ride? Szmyd didn't make one attack and had to let go Pozzovivo in the end?

I hoped for some more fireworks, except for Rujano and Dupont noone tried anything at all...

bit disapointed except for the snowy landscapes...

They had to try, there was a chance that a high pace on a power climb could put pozzo and cunego in difficulty but not szmyd, wasn't the case, but you don't know uness you try.
As for wanting fireworks I think you have your answer, where did dupont and rujano finish? Liqui set a high pace and then pozzo took it up. Pozzo knew if he rode solid tempo to the top noone could take the time they needed on him.

 

[karlboss]

you don't know a thing about cycling when you are a bmc fan

lol, some do though there are loads who've jumped on after Cadel's tour win, who only watch in July who are learning.
Pinotti looks really good, I'd say he'll be about the Kreuziger mark in May. Aim for top 5, disappointed if he doesn't make top 10. He rode both mountains as a domestique for Frank and looked comfortable and didn't drop too much time. The team they are sending to the Giro is a strong one too.

 

[auscyclefan94]

you don't know a thing about cycling when you are a bmc fan

Says the person who clhypes up all of these Clombians who rarely ever deliver. Says the person who bags the crap out of evans, continually stated that he would choke in the final week of last year's Tour de France yet was wrong. Even then, this is the person who flees the forum due to embarrassment and lacking the guts to admit he was wrong.

Anyway, I would like to say congratulations to you on Atapuma's win.

In saying that, it was a real shame about what happened to Mathias Frank.

 

[dlwssonic]

In saying that, it was a real shame about what happened to Mathias Frank.

What happened to him. They seem on the right track for the Giro, two top tens in GC are not bad at all for the Giro.

 

[auscyclefan94]

What happened to him. They seem on the right track for the Giro, two top tens in GC are not bad at all for the Giro.

He was caught up in a crash just before the bottom of the climb when Liquigas were pushing the pace hard. He only had Danilo Wyss to pace him up to the front. It stuffed up his top 5 gc position. He did quite well to finish at around 2'20 nehind the winner which means he was on a good day to do that.

 

[greenedge]

Congrats to Atapuma- and Coldportes for their 1st European wins.

Pozzivivo did well.

Betancur alone should make Acqua get an invite to the Giro- he was great.

Cunego now a big favourite for LBL.

 

[karlboss]

He was caught up in a crash just before the bottom of the climb when Liquigas were pushing the pace hard. He only had Danilo Wyss to pace him up to the front. It stuffed up his top 5 gc position. He did quite well to finish at around 2'20 nehind the winner which means he was on a good day to do that.

Was that the crash Phinney caused? My feed was pretty poor just going off what the eurosport commentators were saying.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Was that the crash Phinney caused? My feed was pretty poor just going off what the eurosport commentators were saying.

It was either Phinney or an Androni rider caused it but the crash was shown by the helicopter cameras so the altitude was too high to see who exactly caused the crash.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it was phinney who caused it CLEARLY. he mad ena incredibly stupid manouvre into the peloton that caused the crash. he may come from track but it seems he hardly knows how to handle a bike on the road. he came out of the gutter with his bike

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

1 Darwin Atapuma Hurtado (Col) Colombia - Coldeportes 4:37:03
2 Carlos Alberto Betancur Gomez (Col) Acqua & Sapone 0:00:03
3 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 0:00:06
4 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:17
5 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD
6 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:00:21
7 Hubert Dupont (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:30
8 Kevin Seeldraeyers (Bel) Pro Team Astana 0:01:06
9 Miguel Angel Rubiano Chavez (Col) Androni Giocattoli 0:01:20
10 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:01:27
11 Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:01:37
12 Eros Capecchi (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:01:40
13 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana 0:01:45
14 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:01:54
15 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:02:03
16 Emanuele Sella (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:04
17 Marco Pinotti (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:02:12
18 Fabio Felline (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:17
19 Marc De Maar (AHo) Unitedhealthcare Pro Cycling Team 0:02:21
20 Mathias Frank (Swi) BMC Racing Team 0:02:25
21 Carlos José Ochoa (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:27
22 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez (Col) Androni Giocattoli


7 androni's in first 22 giro come on over

 

[karlboss]

1 Darwin Atapuma Hurtado (Col) Colombia - Coldeportes 4:37:03
2 Carlos Alberto Betancur Gomez (Col) Acqua & Sapone 0:00:03
3 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 0:00:06
4 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:17
5 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD
6 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:00:21
7 Hubert Dupont (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:30
8 Kevin Seeldraeyers (Bel) Pro Team Astana 0:01:06
9 Miguel Angel Rubiano Chavez (Col) Androni Giocattoli 0:01:20
10 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 0:01:27
11 Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:01:37
12 Eros Capecchi (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:01:40
13 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana 0:01:45
14 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:01:54
15 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:02:03
16 Emanuele Sella (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:04
17 Marco Pinotti (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:02:12
18 Fabio Felline (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:17
19 Marc De Maar (AHo) Unitedhealthcare Pro Cycling Team 0:02:21
20 Mathias Frank (Swi) BMC Racing Team 0:02:25
21 Carlos José Ochoa (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:02:27
22 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez (Col) Androni Giocattoli


7 androni's in first 22 giro come on over

But they don't seem to work together ever...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what? wednesday rubiano paced the climb for rujano. ochoa and jackson were with rujano up the final climb yesterday and their ttt was great. this race doesn't matter to them. they simply ride to get good resistance for their bodies. rujano did a 4 day trainingride as did the others and the outcome was excellent. they are peaking well and already rujano is their best rider. there are no doubts. he is their man and all will/should work for him. only felline and sella worrie me a bit. especially felline who doesn't like to work for others

 

[karlboss]

what? wednesday rubiano paced the climb for rujano. ochoa and jackson were with rujano up the final climb yesterday and their ttt was great. this race doesn't matter to them. they simply ride to get good resistance for their bodies. rujano did a 4 day trainingride as did the others and the outcome was excellent. they are peaking well and already rujano is their best rider. there are no doubts. he is their man and all will/should work for him. only felline and sella worrie me a bit. especially felline who doesn't like to work for others

So if this race doesn't matter, they'll work as a team when it does, fair enough if you say so. Their TTT was good, no doubt. I can't remember Rubiano on Wednesday...is that stage 2? I remember Lampre drilling it on the front, not Rubiano, I could be mistaken. They seem to all climb for themselves. If you say they were just finding form and not racing that's fine, but they didn't work as a team on the road stages, beyond riding at the back of the lead bunch as other riders got tailed off. Reminds me of Horner and Evans to be honest.

I'll be cheering for them come Giro, I'd think attack and counter attack would be a great strategy for stages and the overall.

EDIT checked stage 2 results, Rubiano was 40 seconds infront of Rujano...

 

[Mellow Velo]

It was either Phinney or an Androni rider caused it but the crash was shown by the helicopter cameras so the altitude was too high to see who exactly caused the crash.

In this case, Ryo has got his facts straight.
Watched on a big screen, with the benefit of rewind live tv.
Phinney put his front wheel over the edge of the drainage ditch
and lost it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I meant thursday stage of course. the hard one. rubiano paced until rujano attacked. but rujano didn't have it eyt to win.

and they didn't have a gc to win or defend. they all rode for themselves to get them into shape. wednesday they tried for rujano. but he didn't have it yet. yesterday liquigas paced the group.

 

[karlboss]

I meant thursday stage of course. the hard one. rubiano paced until rujano attacked. but rujano didn't have it eyt to win.

and they didn't have a gc to win or defend. they all rode for themselves to get them into shape. wednesday they tried for rujano. but he didn't have it yet. yesterday liquigas paced the group.

I must admit I had a bad feed which started with eurosport delayed, and then skipped to RAI live and missed that. The Euro sport last fewhalf hour must start after that attack, they pretty much pick up with Pozzo dropping everyone. So I'll take your word for it.

I never think much of a team having riders in the top 20, unless they win or contend for the win on the stage or GC. At trentino, they didn't. Can't disagree they look to have everyone in form for the Giro though.

EDIT: "they all rode for themselves" does kind of agree with me though

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yes I agree with that. but it's not that they don't help each othe rout as you said. and it says what it should say and that is that they have a very strong team going into the giro. rujano is not in topshape yet. he'll improve another 20% easily and be the best and has a great team to defend and attack the race

 

[karlboss]

yes I agree with that. but it's not that they don't help each othe rout as you said. and it says what it should say and that is that they have a very strong team going into the giro. rujano is not in topshape yet. he'll improve another 20% easily and be the best and has a great team to defend and attack the race

if i do that I'll win the giro

 

[theyoungest]

if i do that I'll win the giro

Maybe you will, but Rujano won't

20% improvement in two weeks, of course Ryo. Of course.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

last year he sucked more in trentino and on etna was already on par with contador, which was also 2 weeks later. so yes

 

[karlboss]

last year he sucked more in trentino and on etna was already on par with contador, which was also 2 weeks later. so yes

You mean he could already hold his wheel.

20% improvement is going from sustaining 5 w/kg to 6w/kg. It's not being in the pro peloton to winning a GT.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You mean he could already hold his wheel.

20% improvement is going from sustaining 5 w/kg to 6w/kg. It's not being in the pro peloton to winning a GT.

holding conatdors wheel on a climb. while the others lost more than a minute and couldn't hold his wheel few days later he was at least equel of contador on grossglockner then. and these are rujano's own words. but of course you know better