Giro d'Italia 2015 Stage 20: Saint-Vincent – Sestriere 199km

[Scarponi]

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Saxo Team during Giro 2015 = worst team ever for a potential winner, well maybe not as bad as Lemond's in 1989 but there were no big names on his team.

Evans 2011

 

[doperhopper]

ooops, Tinkoff paid Ilnur! Sabotage!

 

[Jelantik]

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If Contador just have had a man with him.. What a **** **** team.

well... all this talk about want to win the stage.. means nothing, if this is what happen. He is isolated and just when he needs his team the most. Astana has shown a strength in number all the time, why play to their hand?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Now Martinelli let him (Landa) ride. Too lite too late. God am I pissed about that grandpa with fozen brain-cells.

Cant blame him either. They had two options and tried to benefit their appointed captain as long as possible. Also probably under the impression Contador would be invincible.

Hindsight is always a beautiful thing.

Look... we only have our eyes... and saw how he was hold back all the time (even yesterday). Yet, they have the numbers, computer nerds, and what else. They MUST have known Landa is stronger. They threw the Giro = FIRE them. All that are responsible for this mess-up.

 

[Ramira]

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So they are on the descent to sestrieres now? Sestrieres from this side is like 9 at 7% right? On pcm 2011 there were always big gaps here. 3 more mins is possible for landa.

Nah it's more like 6km at about 6%, following 5 at about 4.5% and 5 at under 2%. However if his legs have truly left him that's plenty hard enough to lose a lot of time. Just not enough to lose the Pink.

 

[WheelofGear]

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Saxo Team during Giro 2015 = worst team ever for a potential winner, well maybe not as bad as Lemond's in 1989 but there were no big names on his team.

Yeah, the team has been absolutely ***. Contador is isolated when there is 30 riders in the peloton. And were is Contador's team car btw? Help him ffs, you incompetent fucks. Give him a gel and a new bottle. Where are you?

 

[webvan]

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With this kind of team Berto might as well skip Le Tour.

Don't think the team will be that much of a problem in the TDF. Not only will Contador's team probably be quite a bit stronger, there will also be more than one challenger, so he'll always be able to find someone's wheel.

I'd be a lot more worried about Contador's form, if he had his normal legs today wouldn't have been an issue. Landa would've jumped and he would've followed.

How can his team be better in the TDF, with Rogers/Basso/Kreuziger here ? Well I suppose having one guy to help him (Majka) would be better than nothing.

 

[goggalor]

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Oleg already transferring money to BMC train account?

Nah, Ilnur's account is quicker, no need to go international.

 

[Irondan]

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Now Martinelli let him (Landa) ride. Too lite too late. God am I pissed about that grandpa with fozen brain-cells.

Cant blame him either. They had two options and tried to benefit with their appointed captain as long as possible. Also probably under the impression Contador would be invincible.

Landa could have attacked yesterday. I didn't see the stage but i guess he was held back?

I think Aru beat him to it, and then he was held back I'm guessing.

 

[The Hitch]

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Last time I saw AC (not counting 2013) on such a bad day was on Galibier from the Lautaret side in 2011

if he is down 2 mins already then this us way worse than any of those.

 

[Andro]

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So they are on the descent to sestrieres now? Sestrieres from this side is like 9 at 7% right? On pcm 2011 there were always big gaps here. 3 more mins is possible for landa.

Meh, Landa is also going to be riding alone for the most part. If Aru and the others had been there with Landa at the front the 3 minutes would be possible.

 

[HelloDolly]

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If Contador just have had a man with him.. What a **** **** team.

Hysejdal, Stevie K, Uran , and nearly everyone else par Astana has no one with them
Blaming his team at this point is not the reason

 

[WheelofGear]

Where the hell is the Tinkoff team car? What are they doing?

 

[Jelantik]

AC is doing the Evans chasing Andy. How far is the flat?

 

[Taxus4a]

Today were possible 2 minutes, and other days as well, 4 minutes for Landa were nothing, Contador has his weakness, just someone have to show them.

Astana had an strong team, but they didnt use properly...

 

[staubsauger]

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Now Martinelli let him (Landa) ride. Too lite too late. God am I pissed about that grandpa with fozen brain-cells.

Cant blame him either. They had two options and tried to benefit their appointed captain as long as possible. Also probably under the impression Contador would be invincible.

Hindsight is always a beautiful thing.

Look... we only have our eyes... and saw how he was hold back all the time (even yesterday). Yet, they have the numbers, computer nerds, and what else. They MUST have known Landa is stronger. They threw the Giro = FIRE them. All that are responsible for this mess-up.

The worst thing is, it's Martinelli! Brailsford has always been tactically inept. But Martinelli has done big coups before.

 

[meat puppet]

a reality check: AC will face nibali and astana a team, quintana, froome and the merry band there. here, kangert drops him.

so maybe drop the AC double discussion and concentrate on this treat of a stage?

 

[No_Balls]

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Now Martinelli let him (Landa) ride. Too lite too late. God am I pissed about that grandpa with fozen brain-cells.

Cant blame him either. They had two options and tried to benefit their appointed captain as long as possible. Also probably under the impression Contador would be invincible.

Hindsight is always a beautiful thing.

Look... we only have our eyes... and saw how he was hold back all the time (even yesterday). Yet, they have the numbers, computer nerds, and what else. They MUST have known Landa is stronger. They threw the Giro = FIRE them. All that are responsible for this mess-up.

Dont disagree. I said they should fire Martinelli after making his statements that they more or less raced for second or third because you dont say these things as a DS.

But under that impression the way they have raced makes sense. Not in the real world.

 

[woodburn]

Any time check on Amador's group?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

What the hell is Landa doing? Taking the prize for the most stupid rider ever?

 

[ILovecycling]

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Best stage race in the world.

And there's nothing close.

And this!

 

[sultanofhyd]

Contador catches Kangert!

 

[Miburo]

Anyone else had PN '09 flashbacks? lol

 

[Ramira]

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With this kind of team Berto might as well skip Le Tour.

Don't think the team will be that much of a problem in the TDF. Not only will Contador's team probably be quite a bit stronger, there will also be more than one challenger, so he'll always be able to find someone's wheel.

I'd be a lot more worried about Contador's form, if he had his normal legs today wouldn't have been an issue. Landa would've jumped and he would've followed.

How can his team be better in the TDF, with Rogers/Basso/Kreuziger here ? Well I suppose having one guy to help him (Majka) would be better than nothing.

Because Kreuziger/Basso and Rogers are all horrible right now. Majka on his own will be able to do more in the mountains than the entire Giro team has been able to this year. And then there's Kiserlovski and Sagan, neither of whom can be worse than what's in this race.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Now Martinelli let him (Landa) ride. Too lite too late. God am I pissed about that grandpa with fozen brain-cells.

Cant blame him either. They had two options and tried to benefit with their appointed captain as long as possible. Also probably under the impression Contador would be invincible.

Landa could have attacked yesterday. I didn't see the stage but i guess he was held back?

Ofc he was. At least three times now. What a waste... remember: They also have a monster team. Could have "slaughtered" AC if going with the right guy (Landa) from the start.