Giro D'Italia 2015

[SyroboiII]

The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So did Kiri, but that does not make him a top 10 in a GT.

Kiryienka spent all his energy to get Porte back on Contador's wheel when Contador slowed down a bit, Atapuma was on Contador's wheel right away, the only one who could match his acceleration. I think top 15 is a reasonable goal, with a low top 10 a possibility if he is in super shape

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

Lol, just stop.

 

[SyroboiII]

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The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

Lol, just stop.

Stop telling the true? What is Contador going to do when he is all isolated?

 

[Miburo]

First it's porte and now uran who is going to beat Contador? What happened in the most recent GT with an unprepared contador facing a prepared Uran?

It's fine if you don't remember, i reckon many thought uran wasn't even racing the vuelta last year.

 

[staubsauger]

But Porte isn't the man to beat Contador in the end. He certainly has to get his French Fries anywhere.
Even if Contador is short of shape - which I tend to believe somehow- the one to beat him might be Aru!

 

[Vino's Mum]

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Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone up the road.

ftfy

 

[The Hitch]

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The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

ive seen plenty of gts where one team was supposedly real strong another was really weak, but these things never materialize. Every year people overperform and underperform in gts. I wouldn't doubt people like Basso, Rogers and Kreuziger too much when riding for Saxo. 2 years ago Kreuzi was an average, never gonna realize his potential domestique, then he turned into a monster domestique for that TDF.

 

[Miburo]

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The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

Lol, just stop.

Stop telling the true? What is Contador going to do when he is all isolated?

You fail to make your point.

Ok Porte has more and better teammaters (let's disregard whether that's true or not)

What can Porte do with them? It's all for Porte in the giro, does he have any teammates that have a realistic chance to win this giro? No.

So what good will these teammates do to an isolated contador? Sky has only shown to have 1 strategy which would be perfect for an isolated contador.

It only matters if contador sucks or if he rides away, then sky can help porte but not in a situation where sky is gonna so called attack an isolated contador.

It doesn't matter.

Btw contador won the giro 2011 and vuelta 2014 with one of the worst teams a gt winner ever had.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone up the road.

ftfy

funny

 

[ILovecycling]

Re: Re:

The thing is, Porte's team is SO much better than Contador's team.

Rogers has showed absolutely nothing this year, Basso is old, Kreuziger is demoralized and under observation.. then what's left? A lot of B-climbers and rouleurs. Is there anybody who even knows the final team?

Porte has Nieve, König, Lopez, Seb Henao and perhaps Siutsou. They will be 5 when Contador is alone.

Lol, just stop.

Stop telling the true? What is Contador going to do when he is all isolated?

Simple.

 

[Poursuivant]

Can't wait for this to start!

 

[Red Rick]

Kreuziger was a beast during LBL, one dom in the last 8 riders is wayy more usefull than having 4 people around you in a group of 40 then nobody when there's 25 left.

Lol at the notion that Uran can hold on to the minute he may take in the tt. It's Contador. Uran is not gonna be able to deal with 3426345 attacks that will be coming as long as he's not the leader.

Aru hasn't shown much this year and was a bit erratic last year. Will lose chunks in the tt and get dropped at some point

Porte may do it if all the stars in the universe align but I think he's more likely to realise what happened during the last Giro they rode and why. One top 10 in a GT (l'Aquila breakaway) and has some stage race wins mainly in the medium mountain and mainly against weak opposition. His greatest dom efforts also against weak opposition.

If Contador is ready like he wants to be he'll show the world why he won a GT 8 times in the 8 previous years

 

[durtyfat]

What about Hesjedal everyone? I'll never rule out him for a top5, even if he didn't do any noticeable result this season. We'll see in what shape he is in the Tour of Romandie.

 

[DFA123]

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Kreuziger was a beast during LBL, one dom in the last 8 riders is wayy more usefull than having 4 people around you in a group of 40 then nobody when there's 25 left.

Lol at the notion that Uran can hold on to the minute he may take in the tt. It's Contador. Uran is not gonna be able to deal with 3426345 attacks that will be coming as long as he's not the leader.

Aru hasn't shown much this year and was a bit erratic last year. Will lose chunks in the tt and get dropped at some point

Porte may do it if all the stars in the universe align but I think he's more likely to realise what happened during the last Giro they rode and why. One top 10 in a GT (l'Aquila breakaway) and has some stage race wins mainly in the medium mountain and mainly against weak opposition. His greatest dom efforts also against weak opposition.

If Contador is ready like he wants to be he'll show the world why he won a GT 8 times in the 8 previous years

I agree with pretty much all of this. Porte is the only real threat to Contador. Uran gained almost three minutes on Quintana in the time trial last year and wasn't particularly close to winning the GC in the end, so one minute or so on Contador almost certainly won't be enough.

Porte is a threat not necessarily because of his results this season, but the manner of them. The weight loss while also improving time trialling is straight out of the Froome/Wiggins textbook of how to win a GT.

 

[SeriousSam]

What does the time trial look like? Uran isn't Indurian. Nor even Froome. 1 minute, really?

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

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but I have no idea where this sudden hype for him to win the Giro is coming from. He had one great gt stage in his life when he went mini Indurain for a tt. He won another one by being allowed to attack early on a climb. Other than that he's never even been the 2nd best rider on a mountain, was often worse than that including while defending the pink last year.

Sudden hype? Steady improvement the answer. And it's not really sudden hype anyway, how many here think he can beat Contador? 5? And neither sudden nor hype to think he can beat him, it's called an opinion.
Zoncolan, he was the second best there last year. Tre Cime in 2013 too... unless Duarte got him, not sure anymore, but then Duarte doesn't count anyway.

 

[DFA123]

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What does the time trial look like? Uran isn't Indurian. Nor even Froome. 1 minute, really?

It's very long; half flat and half lumpy - basically perfect for Uran. It's not too disimillar in amount of climbing to the long TT in the Giro last year, where he took over a minute on everyone. Or to the one in the Vuelta where he finished second, between Cancellara and Martin.

Uran is extremely good at these kind of TT's now. And at nearly 60km long he could easily take over a minute out of the other contenders.

 

[May0maniac]

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What does the time trial look like? Uran isn't Indurian. Nor even Froome. 1 minute, really?

It's very long; half flat and half lumpy - basically perfect for Uran. It's not too disimillar in amount of climbing to the long TT in the Giro last year, where he took over a minute on everyone. Or to the one in the Vuelta where he finished second, between Cancellara and Martin.

Uran is extremely good at these kind of TT's now. And at nearly 60km long he could easily take over a minute out of the other contenders.

I was just thinking about non-gc riders who could do well in this TT, a guy like Anton Vorobyev could do very well.

 

[Rollthedice]

Contador
Aru
Uran

Still can't imagine Richie doing a Froome impersonation though it is a scary possibility.

 

[SafeBet]

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What does the time trial look like? Uran isn't Indurian. Nor even Froome. 1 minute, really?

He took 24 seconds on Contador in last year Vuelta's ITT, which was 36 km long. And he surely wasn't in top shape.
So yeah, a minute looks very realistic.

 

[Miburo]

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What does the time trial look like? Uran isn't Indurian. Nor even Froome. 1 minute, really?

He took 24 seconds on Contador in last year Vuelta's ITT, which was 36 km long. And he surely wasn't in top shape.
So yeah, a minute looks very realistic.

Contador was in top shape in that vuelta?

 

[SafeBet]

Far better than Uran, judging by the results.

 

[Miburo]

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Far better than Uran, judging by the results.

How? Contador is just a far better GT rider than uran. When has a socalled on form uran (in a GT) been able to rival contador for you to make that claim?

 

[staubsauger]

Since Fabio Aru has officially adapted the Michael Rasmussen "lean down, focus & peak" training-methode, Contador, Porte & Uran are totally chanceless anyway!