Giro d'Italia 2017 STAGE 20: Pordenone – Asiago 190 km

[Pricey_sky]

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It would actually be quite funny if Tom D's trash talk came true and Nibs and Quintana both got shoved off the podium.

Why? It's always funny when someone bully other one and eventually nails it? I know You now.

Where was the bullying? I've seen a rider make a statement after a stage in the heat of the moment, but it absolutely isn't bullying.

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana has not seemed to give it all. Had he pushed harder he could have gained at least 10 seconds more on Tom. His relays were clearly half-assed. Most of them in fact lasted a second maybe two. No doubt that Pinot and Nibali contributed more.

1 km to go, Nibali talked to Pinot to stop pulling. Nairo didn't like it at all, he lost another couple of seconds waving his hands.

And don't tell me he was empty and just about to bonk. After Nibali's attack he closed him down and didn't give a wheel. Was he spent? Well, after three minutes or so he attacked himself harder than Nibali so go figure.

I think you're comparing the Nario at his best - the one that we all thought we would see in the race, with the Nairo that was actually in the race. The one whose attack burnt himself out on Oropa and who got pulled back in easily by Reichenbach a couple of days ago. He just didn't have the legs to do what he's done inthe past, he was on the limit and needed all the help he could get just to stay in pink.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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It would actually be quite funny if Tom D's trash talk came true and Nibs and Quintana both got shoved off the podium.

Why? It's always funny when someone bully other one and eventually nails it? I know You now.

Where was the bullying? I've seen a rider make a statement after a stage in the heat of the moment, but it absolutely isn't bullying.

You have to remember that some people here put criticising their favourite cyclists in the same moral category as drowning puppies, wifebeating and stealing food from starving children.

 

[jmdirt]

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I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.

If Nibali and Quintana times very reversed, and Nibali had 53 seconds on Dumoulin...

Yes, I'd agree with you. It's how much time right now? 15 seconds?

Tom is getting that time on Nibali unless he's absolutely emptied the tank every one of the last 3 stages.

Yes he pushed hard. Really hard. But he is better than the rest on the flat.

Quintana has to limit his time loss to just less than 2 seconds per km and we'll have a very close race.

FATIGUE is the key here. Everyone is exhausted. The first time trial gaps are an indicator, that barring Quintana absolutely blowing out, which he never has in an ITT, unlike Purito who once lost 7 minutes whilst riding GC, he will finish in either first or second overall.

I don't believe Quintana will lose a podium spot, or finish lower than second. Nibali might get close to him...very close.

But should Nibali get close, barring a race incident or mechanical, Dumoulin should like wise, be expected to be as close, if not further ahead on the clock.

Either way, the race is still on!

By assistance, you don't mean he gets a tow?

Surely that won't happen! He's not that ballsy.

Not really.

It's power. On a flat ITT it's just pushing Watts.

Yes, but if you are punching a smaller hole through the air, you require less watts to go the same speed.

 

[Orbit501]

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It would actually be quite funny if Tom D's trash talk came true and Nibs and Quintana both got shoved off the podium.

Why? It's always funny when someone bully other one and eventually nails it? I know You now.

Where was the bullying?

To me it was on the spot emotion and inexperience. He apologised for it the next day.

I certainly wouldn't call it bullying.

 

[Valv.Piti]

What are we rating this spectacle, whats the general consensus? I'd say around 6,5, the route wasn't for that much more.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

How did Luka Mezgec finish 27th today ?

 

[DFA123]

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What are we rating this spectacle, whats the general consensus? I'd say around 6,5, the route wasn't for that much more.

Agreed, I'd probably give it a 6 overall. Almost entirely for the GC battle - the sprints, breakaways and KOM didn't add a great deal to the race imo. I really enjoyed the last week; it's been a while since we had such an intruiging GC battle, but the first two weeks were pretty lame - especially those tedious sprint stages culminating in unneccesarily technical finishes.

A bit of rain would have been nice as well.

 

[rick james]

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excellent, could just imagine the outcry if men were to start rating the women cyclist on their looks, think you're in the wrong century

are you upset cause your boy Dawg doesn't make even make it into the top-100 of most attractive cyclists?

no....if men were rating women on their looks you'd be going daft, its wrong and no place here

 

[klintE]

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It would actually be quite funny if Tom D's trash talk came true and Nibs and Quintana both got shoved off the podium.

Why? It's always funny when someone bully other one and eventually nails it? I know You now.

Where was the bullying? I've seen a rider make a statement after a stage in the heat of the moment, but it absolutely isn't bullying.

Yeah, and he wasn't gesticulating on the road; none of it.
Honestly I'm really confused about Tom. He has principles, what we could see on the road. He reacted once by we could say:"old school ethos" And suddenly hes doing such stupid, immature thing.
I know it was on heat, I know he said sorry, but the fact is that happened. And it shall return.
Anyway, there was nothing funny in his statement and that is why he had to apologize.


BTW final class. should go:
Domoulin
Nibali
Pinot
Quintana
Any other order will be sensation for me

 

[Andro]

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excellent, could just imagine the outcry if men were to start rating the women cyclist on their looks, think you're in the wrong century

are you upset cause your boy Dawg doesn't make even make it into the top-100 of most attractive cyclists?

If a man made this comment about a female cyclist, I can only imagine the mean things you would say about him.

 

[jaylew]

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excellent, could just imagine the outcry if men were to start rating the women cyclist on their looks, think you're in the wrong century

are you upset cause your boy Dawg doesn't make even make it into the top-100 of most attractive cyclists?

no....if men were rating women on their looks you'd be going daft, its wrong and no place here

Well, I'm a guy and I have no problem with it. In fact, I've found it quite interesting.

 

[Brullnux]

I think the podium will be Dumo, Pinot and Nibali. Quintana to hold off Zaka, but not by much, while Pozzo stays 6th and doesn't get overtaken by Mollema.

The race has been OK. All the GC relevant stages have had something interesting in them, apart from Etna. Stage 9 had Quintana, Dumo really good and Nibali cracking; Stage 10 had an insane Dumo and everyone else worse. Stage 14 had Dumoulin trying to beat Pantani, and Stage 15 had a few attacks as well towards the end. Stage 16 was dull until Dumoulin decided to stop, and from then on it was exciting. Stage 18 was intense, and there was action 50km out, although the rest was fairly dull except for the weird last 6km. Stage 19 was nice, really good racing at the start, a long lull, then Dumoulin cracking for the first time. Not many attacks though. The last 25km today was good, as well as a bit on Monte Grappa. Tomorrow should be decent as well, as there is a nice fight for the podium. So yeah, 6.5 sounds good.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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no....if men were rating women on their looks you'd be going daft, its wrong and no place here

If a man made this comment about a female cyclist, I can only imagine the mean things you would say about him.

You don't really know me then :lol:

 

[Valv.Piti]

I guess many of us would like to be having that conversation, its just that we don't actually have seen these female riders that much if at all. For one I like Kasia and Lizzie, but thats about all I know about female cycling.

 

[bob.a.feet]

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What are we rating this spectacle, whats the general consensus? I'd say around 6,5, the route wasn't for that much more.

Agreed, I'd probably give it a 6 overall. Almost entirely for the GC battle - the sprints, breakaways and KOM didn't add a great deal to the race imo. I really enjoyed the last week; it's been a while since we had such an intruiging GC battle, but the first two weeks were pretty lame - especially those tedious sprint stages culminating in unneccesarily technical finishes.

A bit of rain would have been nice as well.

It feels like there was only about 4 stages where something actually happened

 

[DFA123]

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What are we rating this spectacle, whats the general consensus? I'd say around 6,5, the route wasn't for that much more.

Agreed, I'd probably give it a 6 overall. Almost entirely for the GC battle - the sprints, breakaways and KOM didn't add a great deal to the race imo. I really enjoyed the last week; it's been a while since we had such an intruiging GC battle, but the first two weeks were pretty lame - especially those tedious sprint stages culminating in unneccesarily technical finishes.

A bit of rain would have been nice as well.

It feels like there was only about 4 stages where something actually happened

I think that's a bit of an underestimate, there was action on all of the mountain stages except Etna to varying degrees. And also, at least for me personally, sometimes the threat of something happening and slowly watching plans either succeed or fail during a stage can be entertaining, within the context of a close GC battle, even if there are no real time gaps at the end of the day.

 

[Scarponi]

70km out of 3000km decide the race to easily

 

[Tonton]

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I guess many of us would like to be having that conversation, its just that we don't actually have seen these female riders that much if at all. For one I like Kasia and Lizzie, but thats about all I know about female cycling.

Pauline...

 

[Gloin22]

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I guess many of us would like to be having that conversation, its just that we don't actually have seen these female riders that much if at all. For one I like Kasia and Lizzie, but thats about all I know about female cycling.

Pauline...

She ain't nothing on Gallopin's wife

Shes number 1 and there is a huge chasm to anyone else <3

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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excellent, could just imagine the outcry if men were to start rating the women cyclist on their looks, think you're in the wrong century

are you upset cause your boy Dawg doesn't make even make it into the top-100 of most attractive cyclists?

If a man made this comment about a female cyclist, I can only imagine the mean things you would say about him.

If we lived in a society where men were routinely objectified by women and treated as if their primary value lay in their appearance, I'm sure we would all be annoyed by this lighthearted conversation. As we don't...

 

[bob.a.feet]

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What are we rating this spectacle, whats the general consensus? I'd say around 6,5, the route wasn't for that much more.

Agreed, I'd probably give it a 6 overall. Almost entirely for the GC battle - the sprints, breakaways and KOM didn't add a great deal to the race imo. I really enjoyed the last week; it's been a while since we had such an intruiging GC battle, but the first two weeks were pretty lame - especially those tedious sprint stages culminating in unneccesarily technical finishes.

A bit of rain would have been nice as well.

It feels like there was only about 4 stages where something actually happened

I think that's a bit of an underestimate, there was action on all of the mountain stages except Etna to varying degrees. And also, at least for me personally, sometimes the threat of something happening and slowly watching plans either succeed or fail during a stage can be entertaining, within the context of a close GC battle, even if there are no real time gaps at the end of the day.

I know but it just feels like Tom got the lead, lost it, then (presumably) takes it back

 

[Tonton]

My rating will be subjective and depend on what happens tomorrow . But it will be high

1. GC battle indecisive until the last day. Suspense. That's 5 right there.
2. Great stories: Gaviria atop of the sprinting World, TJVG: his demise and a gleam of hope. Rolland and Landa: warriors getting rewarded. Dumoulin almost (?) losing the race because he needed to take a dump. Drama, controversies, smack talk, the Giro tradition was respected . That's 3 right there. 8 so far: Netserk will appreciate .
3. And of course, redemption for Tibopino. My homie. For us his fans, what a Giro! Let's see what happens tomorrow...it's at least 1, it could be 2.

I have been very entertained over the past three weeks. And it's not over...

 

[Red Rick]

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excellent, could just imagine the outcry if men were to start rating the women cyclist on their looks, think you're in the wrong century

are you upset cause your boy Dawg doesn't make even make it into the top-100 of most attractive cyclists?

If a man made this comment about a female cyclist, I can only imagine the mean things you would say about him.

If we lived in a society where men were routinely objectified by women and treated as if their primary value lay in their appearance, I'm sure we would all be annoyed by this lighthearted conversation. As we don't...

This is a discussion well worth dropping. Let's stay on topic

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I guess many of us would like to be having that conversation, its just that we don't actually have seen these female riders that much if at all. For one I like Kasia and Lizzie, but thats about all I know about female cycling.

Pauline...

Oh yeah, not bad at all either.