Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 19: Venaria Reale – Jafferau 184km

[roundabout]

He probably would have been dropped anyway, but "complete" bike rider was gapped on a downhill on the stage to Sappada.

And less said about Montevergine the better.

 

[Andy262]

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

 

[ppanther92]

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Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

Yes, of course you feel he should have made it even easier for Froome

 

[Bardamu]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

He only worked until Pozzo stopped. Afterwards he used Reichenbach to keep the pace but he stopped pulling himself. He attacked directly on the last climb but wasn't strong enough to keep a gap.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Re: Re:

I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

anywhere we can get the whole race from beginning broadcast to end?

Ive got Eurosport player because I have to miss a few stages here and there, so not sure what else is out there, sorry.

 

[Brullnux]

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If Froome holds on tomorrow he won this race thanks to his descent on the Finestre. His descending skills today put him in the lead. In an era where GC riders the last 15 years have been one trick ponies with little all around skills he is a throwback He wins not just because of the watts he puts put but because he is complete bike rider with great instincts and skill.

The landis 2006 stage was the best GC stage I have ever seen. I think today tops that. Hopefully today turns out a bit better for Froome and cycling than the 2006 Landis ride.

They have?

Contador? Not really a one-trick pony. Nibali? Decidedly not a one trick pony. Dumoulin? Nope. Quintana? Perhaps, but can hold his own on hills, descents and tts. Basso? Probably not, he achieved good results in classics and could tt pretty well. Evans? Definitely not. There have been a few sole climbers and few specialists TTers, but mostly they've been pretty well-rounded.

 

[Bolder]

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I'm going to sign of CN for a while and enjoy the stage. But really impressed by Dumoulin. Think he's fine letting Froome go now. No need to burn any more candles a tthis point.

famous last words

Ha ! But that's why I love pro cycling. Sure, 75 percent is utterly predictable...and I'm sure TD was thinking the same thing...but anything can happen...

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

Yes, of course you feel he should have made it even easier for Froome

You got it. How insightful!

 

[Bolder]

Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Pinot did what he had to do, which was to take time from Pozzo while keeping Lopez at bay. Waiting for Reichenbach probably helped - and TD was yoked to that group...i was impressed by TD and Pinot, but I think Lopez lost a podium chance.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

He only worked until Pozzo stopped. Afterwards he used Reichenbach to keep the pace but he stopped pulling himself. He attacked directly on the last climb but wasn't strong enough to keep a gap.

Why should Reichenbach help keep pace?
They both should have sat on TDs wheel and wheel sucked him until his death and then try to launch an attack.
Thats what makes more sense than stupidly working for no reason other than to help your direct rival(TD) in GC.
Reminds me so much of how Astana and Uran helped Froome catch Bardet while onus was on Froome to ride.

 

[vedrafjord]

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The most surprising thing is that he kept gaining time on the flat and in the descents over the whole distance.

In some ways I wasn't as surprised as I should have been. Nobody seems to be able to organise a chase these days. You have Sagan going from 50km in Paris-Roubaix, Gilbert going from 55km in De Ronde, plus in Froome's case the peloton was already tiny when he jumped and there were hardly any doms left.

Over and over you see a guy shoot off the front, get into TT position and ride threshold while behind riders look at each other and theatrically stick their hands up. It was the same a couple of days ago:

I've seen better-organised chases in club league races.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34109&p=2261780#p2261780

 

[Kwibus]

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Chapeau to Froome, stunning ride. But i have to say something to those saying that this was ridiculous and disgusting. If you look at the climbing times of the Finestre you see that it was the slowest ascent of the top guns ever altough Sky going full gas from bottom. So i guess it is just the 3 very very hard ridden Giro weeks who took it's tool on most of the riders. Froome was undercooked at the start and is the only rider who is coming in top shape now. So his performance is clearly something stratospheric, but not as incredible as someone of you might think. The Jafferau by Froome was 2 minutes slower than Nibali's 2013, but that's pretty logic after his 80km escape. Nonetheles, great performance by Froomey.

As a Dutch dumoulin fan and former Contax or lover really appreciate Froome display today. Epic and tbh I knew he would try.
From the finestre top it was man VS man.

 

[silvergrenade]

See the most epic ride of the decade from start to finish here:
http://tiz-cycling.racing/videos/giro-ditalia-2018-stage-19-full-stage/

 

[Revealer]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

Because he shouldnt have helped.

He only worked until Pozzo stopped. Afterwards he used Reichenbach to keep the pace but he stopped pulling himself. He attacked directly on the last climb but wasn't strong enough to keep a gap.

Why should Reichenbach help keep pace?
They both should have sat on TDs wheel and wheel sucked him until his death and then try to launch an attack.
Thats what makes more sense than stupidly working for no reason other than to help your direct rival(TD) in GC.
Reminds me so much of how Astana and Uran helped Froome catch Bardet while onus was on Froome to ride.

Now why would Pinot ride against Doumoulin? At that point he was about 4 minutes behind him in the GC, only if Doumoulin would blew up completely he would've had a chance to make up that deficit. Pinot did the sensible thing to do, rode for 3rd place instead of gambling for second.

 

[Andy262]

Re: Re:

Well, just watched the highlights....

Kudos to Froome, memories of Pantani there.. in a good way.

Shocking from Pinot, gutless rider.

Fair play to Tom DM. Chapeau to you sir. And gutted for Yates.

Why are you singeling out Pinot? He was the only one working with Dumoulin and at least tried from the beginning of the last climb.

I'm probably being unfair, don't think the highlights showed what happened at the bottom of the last climb. Just think he rarely rolls the dice.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

Now why would Pinot ride against Doumoulin? At that point he was about 4 minutes behind him in the GC, only if Doumoulin would blew up completely he would've had a chance to make up that deficit. Pinot did the sensible thing to do, rode for 3rd place instead of gambling for second.

Thats what champions do sir.

 

[armchairclimber]

“First he dropped me on the climb. But on the descent,I decided two times to wait for Sébastien Reichenbach [Team Groupama-FDJ] because he wanted to ride with me. Maybe that wasn’t a good decision.

“On my own I can descend just as fast as Froome, but Reichenbach descends kind of like an old lady. With hindsight, that wasn’t the best idea. But it’s easy to say that afterwards.”

This was the main reason Froome's gamble paid such a handsome return.

 

[dfromdub]

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“First he dropped me on the climb. But on the descent,I decided two times to wait for Sébastien Reichenbach [Team Groupama-FDJ] because he wanted to ride with me. Maybe that wasn’t a good decision.

How much did he actually lose? I remember when they waited for Reichenbach for the second time the RAI moto-reporter noted that Dumoulin's group was extremely slow and wondered why on earth they were doing that.

I remember reading through the comments here during the stage and somebody said Dumoulin lost circa 40 sec in waiting for his teammate. Anybody knows if that is accurate?

 

[dutchdescent]

Re: Re:

I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

anywhere we can get the whole race from beginning broadcast to end?

Tiz usually posts the whole stages but it is not there yet.
The eurosport version is already on cycling related torrent sites

Gracias!

 

[Richeypen]

Re: Re:

“First he dropped me on the climb. But on the descent,I decided two times to wait for Sébastien Reichenbach [Team Groupama-FDJ] because he wanted to ride with me. Maybe that wasn’t a good decision.

How much did he actually lose? I remember when they waited for Reichenbach for the second time the RAI moto-reporter noted that Dumoulin group were extremely slow and wondered why on earth they were doing that.

I remember reading through the comments here during the stage and somebody said Dumoulin lost circa 40 sec in waiting for his teammate. Anybody knows if that is accurate?

I dont know in terms of waiting but Dumo lost nearly 2mins on the descents today. Swings and roundabouts, Reichenbach and Pinot did contribute in the valleys and Dumo was dead at the end, who knows what would have happened if he had pushed on alone.

 

[armchairclimber]

Re: Re:

“First he dropped me on the climb. But on the descent,I decided two times to wait for Sébastien Reichenbach [Team Groupama-FDJ] because he wanted to ride with me. Maybe that wasn’t a good decision.

How much did he actually lose? I remember when they waited for Reichenbach for the second time the RAI moto-reporter noted that Dumoulin group were extremely slow and wondered why on earth they were doing that.

I remember reading through the comments here during the stage and somebody said Dumoulin lost circa 40 sec in waiting for his teammate. Anybody knows if that is accurate?

I dont know in terms of waiting but Dumo lost nearly 2mins on the descents today. Swings and roundabouts, Reichenbach and Pinot did contribute in the valleys and Dumo was dead at the end, who knows what would have happened if he had pushed on alone.

As I said upthread, he would have been much better riding solo mano a mano against Froome instead of thinking he could TTT back with inferior riders.

 

[dutchdescent]

Re: Re:

I think most of us who admitted we couldn’t watch the stage today were gutted because we knew we were going to miss something big, but I didn’t think it would be this big!

Can’t wait to catch up on the stage later, but my first reaction is I feel extremely sorry for Simon Yates.

anywhere we can get the whole race from beginning broadcast to end?

Ive got Eurosport player because I have to miss a few stages here and there, so not sure what else is out there, sorry.

I found it on tiz. Thanks for the reply. appreciated.

 

[Old&slow]

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If Froome holds on tomorrow he won this race thanks to his descent on the Finestre. His descending skills today put him in the lead. In an era where GC riders the last 15 years have been one trick ponies with little all around skills he is a throwback He wins not just because of the watts he puts put but because he is complete bike rider with great instincts and skill.

The landis 2006 stage was the best GC stage I have ever seen. I think today tops that. Hopefully today turns out a bit better for Froome and cycling than the 2006 Landis ride.

They have?

Contador? Not really a one-trick pony. Nibali? Decidedly not a one trick pony. Dumoulin? Nope. Quintana? Perhaps, but can hold his own on hills, descents and tts. Basso? Probably not, he achieved good results in classics and could tt pretty well. Evans? Definitely not. There have been a few sole climbers and few specialists TTers, but mostly they've been pretty well-rounded.

I agree with you and Nibali and I will add Valverde to that list. But not Contador. While Contador could time trial he had poor bike handling skills, was a bad descender, very poor tactically, had no instincts, and no attention span. Not an all arounder or smart rider. He is not a rider that could have competed outside the modern era but then again there are few modern riders who could have.