Giro d'Italia 2018: Stage 20: Susa - Cervinia, 214 KM

[Vasilis]

Ok so Froome said he just wanted to be in front and grab some mountain points, maybe he planned to come around Poels, but then the line was there already I guess

 

[Jagartrott]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

Is racially abusing another rider and then deliberately crashing out another rider who mentioned it publicly classless too?

How about telling fellow pros that nobody should care about them, or going screaming in the face of an ex-rider following in the media for saying something you didn't like?

Or exposing other people's personal business on Twitter because they called out your fiancée getting perceived preferential treatment?

Or calling everybody who questions the narrative a bunch of four letter words - or refusing to face the media whenever there's any bad news, hiding away and then doing the Hammer Dance about how you've been there at every race so people just don't come and ask you questions?

Sky do sometimes get called out for some minor stuff, but let's not pretend there isn't a pretty long history of them, and their riders, putting their weight about a bit in the bunch, that adds to why this reputation of classless behaviour is perceived. There's a pattern there, and it does mean that the perception of little acts of ruthlessness like the sprint here, just to assert their freshness, is more negative than it might otherwise be.

Very good post.
People are being purposely obtuse.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Re:

so Quintana is the only rival to defeat Froome head to head in a GC since his dominance began?

And road furniture and wet roads too

 

[wwabbit]

Re:

so Quintana is the only rival to defeat Froome head to head in a GC since his dominance began?

Wiggins. Cobo.


(tee hee)

 

[Jagartrott]

At least I don't think waiting for Reichenbach or Lopez and carapaz not working changed anything. Froome looked so at ease today that he probably could have gained the seconds he might have needed in that case anyway

We'll never know. Froome gained 2 mins on the descents yesterday and that decision is why TD came 2nd.

No, he gained about a minute downhill, the rest uphill and on false flat.

 

[Walkman]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

You'd call outsprinting your main rival who's been selflessly working for a teammate, for no reason other than to shove your dominance in his face, a classy move?

What do you call it when a rider drops another rider with 1km left and then lets him back again just to attack and leave him at a stand still a couple hundred meters from the finish?

 

[burning]

At least I don't think waiting for Reichenbach or Lopez and carapaz not working changed anything. Froome looked so at ease today that he probably could have gained the seconds he might have needed in that case anyway

We'll never know. Froome gained 2 mins on the descents yesterday and that decision is why TD came 2nd.

Anybody know a breakdown of the time he gained/lost on the climbs, false flats and descents ? I got the impression a fair chunk was gained on the descents, but obviously that would spoil the narrative somewhat if that is correct.

https://ammattipyoraily.wordpress.com/2018/05/25/giro-ditalia-2018-stage-19-last-80-3-km-froome-%E2%86%94-dumoulin-gps-time-gap/

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1000136775065587712

Looks like the 'narrative' is accurate.

80.3 km ATTACK
80 km ——
79 km 0:09
78 km 0:15
77 km 0:27
76 km 0:39
75 km 0:38
74 km 0:38
73.3 km 0:42 SUMMIT OF FINESTRE
72 km 0:45
71 km 0:53
70 km 0:55
69 km 0:58
68 km 1:06
67 km 1:12
66 km 1:17
65 km 1:20
64 km 1:26
63 km 1:29
62 km 1:29
61 km ——
60 km ——
59 km 1:38
58 km 1:42
57 km 1:47
56 km 1:51
55 km 1:56
54 km 1:54
53 km 1:52
52 km 1:54
51 km 1:56
50 km 2:09
49 km 2:19
48 km 2:23
47 km 2:33
46.0 km 2:45 SUMMIT OF SESTRIERE
45 km 2:44
44 km 2:43
43 km 2:41
42 km 2:43
41 km 2:39
40 km 2:44
39 km 2:42
38 km 2:41
37 km 2:41
36 km 2:45
35 km 2:45
34 km 2:47
33 km 2:56
32 km 2:57
31 km 2:57
30 km 2:55
29 km 2:52
28 km 2:55
27 km 2:54
26 km 2:54
25 km 2:54
24 km 2:56
23 km 3:00
22 km 3:00
21 km 3:07
20 km 3:08
19 km 3:03
18 km 3:03
17 km 3:08
16 km 3:07
15 km 3:13
14 km 3:15
13 km 3:17
12 km 3:20
11 km 3:29
10 km 3:32
9 km 3:32
8 km 3:27
7.3 km 3:24 START OF JAFFERAU
7 km 3:21
6 km 3:23
5 km 3:12
4 km 3:12
3 km 3:09
2 km 3:11
1 km 3:14
0 km 3:23 FINISH

Based on this, assuming it's accurate, then:

Attack to summit FINESTRE: 42s gained
Descent of FINESTRE: 47s gained
Ascent of SESTRIERE: 67s gained
Descent of SESTRIERE & false flat: 42s gained
Ascent of JAFFERAU: 1s lost

Gained in ascent: 1min 48s
Gained on descent: 1min 29s

No, if you include false flat as 'ascent', it's:

Gained on ascent: 2 min 24s
Gained on descent: 59s

https://twitter.com/imdonncha/status/1000150343039176705

LMAO, This is 2016 Tour all over again when dumbasses like Walsh and Co. claimed Froome won 2016 Tour on a descent.

 

[roundabout]

Re:

'To stay in front' and 'the mountain points' were the reasons they sprinted according to Froome. Which are both lame, because there were no points anymore.

There are points for first 8 riders

 

[MatParker117]

Another toy for Kellan.

 

[Ataraxus]

Re:

so Quintana is the only rival to defeat Froome head to head in a GC since his dominance began?

He has come second 4 times in GTs.

Behind Cobo (while on a leash)
Behind Wiggins (while on a leash)
Behind Contador
Behind Quintana

 

[Libertine Seguros]

At least I don't think waiting for Reichenbach or Lopez and carapaz not working changed anything. Froome looked so at ease today that he probably could have gained the seconds he might have needed in that case anyway

We'll never know. Froome gained 2 mins on the descents yesterday and that decision is why TD came 2nd.

I think the post on the Clinic using multiple time dots calculated that actually it was only a minute on the descent, because the original breakdown was "Finestre climb" "Finestre descent" "Sestriere climb" "Sestriere descent" "Jafferau ascent", counting all of the false flat, both uphill and downhill, between Sestriere and Bardonecchia, under the "Sestriere descent" heading. Not that it really changes your point, because Dumoulin still lost more than his GC deficit on those descents, but the "2 mins on the descent" rather undersells how dominant Froome was yesterday. He gained about a minute on the descents, approaching a minute on the false flat, and the balance over the course of the climbs, none of which was on Jafferau, most of which was on Sestriere.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

so Quintana is the only rival to defeat Froome head to head in a GC since his dominance began?

Wiggins. Cobo.


(tee hee)

Contador.

 

[Oliwright]

Why is it classless?? Are u guys just mad?

Classless is Nibali attacking when Froome had a mechanical.
Classless is when everyone attacked Dumoulin during 'poo gate' last year.

Is racially abusing another rider and then deliberately crashing out another rider who mentioned it publicly classless too?

How about telling fellow pros that nobody should care about them, or going screaming in the face of an ex-rider following in the media for saying something you didn't like?

Or exposing other people's personal business on Twitter because they called out your fiancée getting perceived preferential treatment?

Or calling everybody who questions the narrative a bunch of four letter words - or refusing to face the media whenever there's any bad news, hiding away and then doing the Hammer Dance about how you've been there at every race so people just don't come and ask you questions?

Sky do sometimes get called out for some minor stuff, but let's not pretend there isn't a pretty long history of them, and their riders, putting their weight about a bit in the bunch, that adds to why this reputation of classless behaviour is perceived. There's a pattern there, and it does mean that the perception of little acts of ruthlessness like the sprint here, just to assert their freshness, is more negative than it might otherwise be.

Very good post.
People are being purposely obtuse.

There are many reasons to be sceptical of Sky & every other team.
Sky deserve a some of the *** they get and they don't deserve other.
Even EF who have a reputation for doing things the right way have had riders fall to Wada.
People hate Froome & Sky for many of the reason you can/could dislike Contador or others.
Also no one was complaining about Froome & his case when he was loosing time in the 2nd week...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Rodríguez and Valverde too.

 

[LaFlorecita]

There are many reasons to be sceptical of Sky & every other team.
Sky deserve a some of the **** they get and they don't deserve other.
Even EF who have a reputation for doing things the right way have had riders fall to Wada.
People hate Froome & Sky for many of the reason you can/could dislike Contador or others.
Also no one was complaining about Froome & his case when he was loosing time in the 2nd week...

sure, ignore everything else mentioned and only focus on the salbutamol case.

 

[silvergrenade]

I'm actually very happy nobody higher up in GC crashed out.
We saw a proper 3 weeks of racing.
What a great race this is. Love the Giro.
Great fans. Great passion for the sport.

 

[jaylew]

So, Lopez is now the 4th Colombian to finish on the podium of a GT in the last few years with Nairo, Chaves, and Uran. I guess Bernal is next.

 

[yaco]

Nieve had the stage won with 60 kms to go - He was by far the classiest rider in the final.

 

[bigcog]

At least I don't think waiting for Reichenbach or Lopez and carapaz not working changed anything. Froome looked so at ease today that he probably could have gained the seconds he might have needed in that case anyway

We'll never know. Froome gained 2 mins on the descents yesterday and that decision is why TD came 2nd.

Anybody know a breakdown of the time he gained/lost on the climbs, false flats and descents ? I got the impression a fair chunk was gained on the descents, but obviously that would spoil the narrative somewhat if that is correct.

https://ammattipyoraily.wordpress.com/2018/05/25/giro-ditalia-2018-stage-19-last-80-3-km-froome-%E2%86%94-dumoulin-gps-time-gap/

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1000136775065587712

Looks like the 'narrative' is accurate.

80.3 km ATTACK
80 km ——
79 km 0:09
78 km 0:15
77 km 0:27
76 km 0:39
75 km 0:38
74 km 0:38
73.3 km 0:42 SUMMIT OF FINESTRE
72 km 0:45
71 km 0:53
70 km 0:55
69 km 0:58
68 km 1:06
67 km 1:12
66 km 1:17
65 km 1:20
64 km 1:26
63 km 1:29
62 km 1:29
61 km ——
60 km ——
59 km 1:38
58 km 1:42
57 km 1:47
56 km 1:51
55 km 1:56
54 km 1:54
53 km 1:52
52 km 1:54
51 km 1:56
50 km 2:09
49 km 2:19
48 km 2:23
47 km 2:33
46.0 km 2:45 SUMMIT OF SESTRIERE
45 km 2:44
44 km 2:43
43 km 2:41
42 km 2:43
41 km 2:39
40 km 2:44
39 km 2:42
38 km 2:41
37 km 2:41
36 km 2:45
35 km 2:45
34 km 2:47
33 km 2:56
32 km 2:57
31 km 2:57
30 km 2:55
29 km 2:52
28 km 2:55
27 km 2:54
26 km 2:54
25 km 2:54
24 km 2:56
23 km 3:00
22 km 3:00
21 km 3:07
20 km 3:08
19 km 3:03
18 km 3:03
17 km 3:08
16 km 3:07
15 km 3:13
14 km 3:15
13 km 3:17
12 km 3:20
11 km 3:29
10 km 3:32
9 km 3:32
8 km 3:27
7.3 km 3:24 START OF JAFFERAU
7 km 3:21
6 km 3:23
5 km 3:12
4 km 3:12
3 km 3:09
2 km 3:11
1 km 3:14
0 km 3:23 FINISH

Based on this, assuming it's accurate, then:

Attack to summit FINESTRE: 42s gained
Descent of FINESTRE: 47s gained
Ascent of SESTRIERE: 67s gained
Descent of SESTRIERE & false flat: 42s gained
Ascent of JAFFERAU: 1s lost

Gained in ascent: 1min 48s
Gained on descent: 1min 29s

No, if you include false flat as 'ascent', it's:

Gained on ascent: 2 min 24s
Gained on descent: 59s

https://twitter.com/imdonncha/status/1000150343039176705

LMAO, This is 2016 Tour all over again when dumbasses like Walsh and Co. claimed Froome won 2016 Tour on a descent.

Selective posting there I see as I said further down that thread I agreed with about 1 min on descent. In saying that ES this morning gave different times to this guys, make of that what you will.

 

[aarononymous]

Re: Re:

so Quintana is the only rival to defeat Froome head to head in a GC since his dominance began?

He has come second 4 times in GTs.

Behind Cobo (while on a leash)
Behind Wiggins (while on a leash)
Behind Contador
Behind Quintana

forgot about Contador, I guess I should have said when he's targeted the GC as leader regarding the first 2

 

[movingtarget]

Disaster for Pinot but everything else was not too surprising. Great race this year. Good win also for Nieve.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

Im actually glad they sprinted and caught wheelsuckers united 1&2 in the end

They had no business in the GC fight. No business at all!
And today there was nothing for Lopez once Pinot was gone.
Everything was settled.

 

[TMP402]

Re:

'To stay in front' and 'the mountain points' were the reasons they sprinted according to Froome. Which are both lame, because there were no points anymore.

Very odd.

 

[hfer07]

Luckily I didn't get to watch the stage It was already a fact the Magic Kenyan would win it with ease.......

disgusting

 

[jaylew]

Re: Re:

'To stay in front' and 'the mountain points' were the reasons they sprinted according to Froome. Which are both lame, because there were no points anymore.

Very odd.

Did you see the look on his face as he was saying it? Pretty sure he realized that didn't make any sense as it was coming out of his mouth.