Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Nirvana]

Finestre again would be a world of lame.

I can understand Vegni if he put in again Finestre, it's so hard that force attack everywhere you put it.
The problem is eventually wasting Agnello and Izoard, he could have done two stages, Cuned-Briançon (or something else in the area not too away) and somewhere in the area-Pinerolo with Finestre, in this way you could also avoid the unipuerto (i know that there is a wonderful scenery on Nivolet but still...).

 

[Eshnar]

Eshnar, how believable is that three stages with 5.500 meters of climbing statement by Vegni.

zero. Still, like all legends, there should be some truth behind it.

I am confused
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1053222318263201792</span>

everyone is, we still have no clue how that stage is gonna look like. Although, I would say, not like that.

Pesaro for stage 8 is confirmed. The stage will have some small hills in the finale that may avoid the sprint, but all in all it won't be a hard stage by any means.

Local article today claims the stage to Courmayeur will feature St.Pantaleon, Champremiere and S.Carlo, ~130 km.

It seems a bit weird, as it would place 35 km of valley between Champremiere and S.Carlo, but it's not impossible ofc.

 

[Red Rick]

Eshnar, how believable is that three stages with 5.500 meters of climbing statement by Vegni.

zero. Still, like all legends, there should be some truth behind it.

I am confused
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://mobile.twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1053222318263201792</span>

everyone is, we still have no clue how that stage is gonna look like. Although, I would say, not like that.

Pesaro for stage 8 is confirmed. The stage will have some small hills in the finale that may avoid the sprint, but all in all it won't be a hard stage by any means.

Local article today claims the stage to Courmayeur will feature St.Pantaleon, Champremiere and S.Carlo, ~130 km.

It seems a bit weird, as it would place 35 km of valley between Champremiere and S.Carlo, but it's not impossible ofc.

There are 3 stages with climbs longer than 5.500m?

 

[motty89]

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If I understand correctly from that link to La Stampa, the budget wasn't enough to cover all the potholes, so they did fix about 3/4 of them, including the worst ones. The road will be closed during the winter and the question to complete road works (I assume limited to the North side of Sampeyre) will be rediscussed next spring.

I climbed north side of sampeyre in early September. I can confirm that potholes have been repaired (from what I remember their weren't any on north side) but none of it looked resurfaced.

 

[bassano]

I climbed Sampeyre And Fauniera both in 2000, I do not remember bad roads there, but it was really long time ago, I would like to see that mountains Back in Giro again.

 

[Eshnar]

According to local article, Cuneo-Pinerolo will feature 4 climbs, the hardest being Montoso.

If I had to guess, I'd say Madonna del Colletto, Montemale di Cuneo, Montoso and Pramartino...

 

[Eshnar]

Also, another local article reports that the stage to Anterselva is gonna start from Comezzadura and climb Palade, Collalbo, Erbe, Furcia and Anterselva. That qould make it one of the 3 big stages I guess.

 

[OlavEH]

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Also, another local article reports that the stage to Anterselva is gonna start from Comezzadura and climb Palade, Collalbo, Erbe, Furcia and Anterselva. That qould make it one of the 3 big stages I guess.

Wow, this actually sounds really good. And the finish is by the biathlon stadium?

Erbe is a beautiful climb. If they do this in addition to a 5000m height meter stage to Courmayeur, I don't care that much if the only climb Gavia and Mortirolo on the Ponte di Legno stage and this is only ~140 km. Still gonna be three really good stages.

 

[Red Rick]

According to local article, Cuneo-Pinerolo will feature 4 climbs, the hardest being Montoso.

If I had to guess, I'd say Madonna del Colletto, Montemale di Cuneo, Montoso and Pramartino...

Doesn't sound super great, but it's one of the best alternatives. Would've hated to see back to back years with Finestre, and I doubt Agnel/Izoard/Sestriere would've seen any action before Pramartino anyway.

 

[Eshnar]

In Isolation, it is a very good stage no doubt. After Ponte di Legno, and in a week with 3 big stages, I don't like it one bit. If anything, because it might kill the best stage of the race.

 

[Red Rick]

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In Isolation, it is a very good stage no doubt. After Ponte di Legno, and in a week with 3 big stages, I don't like it one bit. If anything, because it might kill the best stage of the race.

You're talking about Anterselva right?

 

[Eshnar]

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In Isolation, it is a very good stage no doubt. After Ponte di Legno, and in a week with 3 big stages, I don't like it one bit. If anything, because it might kill the best stage of the race.

You're talking about Anterselva right?

yes.

So here's the route. I added some info about each stage in brackets.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio [Climb of Castra, over 5km at 7%, at ~20km to the finish]
3. Vinci - Orbetello [flat]
4. Orbetello - Frascati [might be hilly finish, but not hard]
5. Frascati - Sabaudia [flat]
6. Cassino - S.Giovanni Rotondo [Long stage, with a ~12 km at 5% climb before a Plateau finish]
7. Vasto - L'Aquila [medium mountain]
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro [might be hilly finish, but not hard]
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
11 Carpi - Novi Ligure [flat]
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo [Madonna del Colletto - Montemale - Montoso - Pramartino]
13 Pinerolo - Colle del Nivolet (Lago Serrù) [Colle del Lys - Nivolet up to 2200m]
14 St.Vincent - Courmayeur (Skyway) [St. Pantaleon - Champremiere - Colle S.Carlo]
15 Ivrea - Como [Sormano (maybe just the Colma)?? - Civiglio]
rest
16 Lovere - Ponte di Legno [Gavia - Mortirolo]
17 Comezzadura - Anterselva [Palade - Collalbo - Erbe - Furcia - MTF to Biathlon Stadium]
18 Dobbiaco - S. Maria di Sala [flat]
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza [S.Boldo, Rolle up to town]
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune [Cima Campo - Manghen - Rolle - MTF up to Le Laste?]
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[Red Rick]

Totally missed it but Muro di Sormano+Civglio would be a great Giro stage.

 

[Eshnar]

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Totally missed it but Muro di Sormano+Civglio would be a great Giro stage.

it would, but I don't think they are gonna do the Muro. Having a full Peloton hit that narrow road without previous selection doesn't seem like a great idea

 

[May0maniac]

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Totally missed it but Muro di Sormano+Civglio would be a great Giro stage.

it would, but I don't think they are gonna do the Muro. Having a full Peloton hit that narrow road without previous selection doesn't seem like a great idea

Yes, maybe you could have a first Civiglio ascent before the Muro, but otherwise just using the Colma would be the smart thing to do.

 

[OlavEH]

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In Isolation, it is a very good stage no doubt. After Ponte di Legno, and in a week with 3 big stages, I don't like it one bit. If anything, because it might kill the best stage of the race.

I think Mortirolo would provide action anyway. Just hope that the Anterselva will include Erbe and Furcia.

 

[May0maniac]

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In Isolation, it is a very good stage no doubt. After Ponte di Legno, and in a week with 3 big stages, I don't like it one bit. If anything, because it might kill the best stage of the race.

I think Mortirolo would provide action anyway. Just hope that the Anterselva will include Erbe and Furcia.

Furcia or Tesselberg/Montassilone before the final climb would be enough for me, I don't think that another really hard stage after the Mortirolo stage adds a lot, it could hinder action.
You really don't need to make this one crazy hard if you want action on the Ponte di Legno stage, it will be the 6th consecutive mountain/hilly stage (with a rest day before the Mortirolo stage), that's gonna be pretty hard.

 

[ice&fire]

That accumulation of efforts may render S.Martino di Castrozza into an epic carnage

 

[May0maniac]

On another note, they recently repaved all the bad sections of the road between Toblach/Dobbiaco and Cortina, so the 3rd week sprint stage starting there seems possible.
Edit: Klobenstein/Collalbo would mean a pretty technical descent, it's irregular, you have a few uphill and false flat sections and the road is rather narrow and the 2nd part of the descent is also steep,

 

[OlavEH]

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Furcia or Tesselberg/Montassilone before the final climb would be enough for me, I don't think that another really hard stage after the Mortirolo stage adds a lot, it could hinder action.
You really don't need to make this one crazy hard if you want action on the Ponte di Legno stage, it will be the 6th consecutive mountain/hilly stage (with a rest day before the Mortirolo stage), that's gonna be pretty hard.

Erbe I want mostly due to the scenery. Stage start in Dimaro followed by Mendola, Erbe and Furcia would be about 170 km. They could also finish further down in Anterselva. And since this would be the most gentle side of Erbe and Furcia isn't that tough, I don't think 3 kms with 8-9 % gradient to the biathlon stadion in Anterselva would be to deterring on the Ponte di Legno stage.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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[quote="Mayomaniac
Furcia or Tesselberg/Montassilone before the final climb would be enough for me, I don't think that another really hard stage after the Mortirolo stage adds a lot, it could hinder action.[/quote]

Oh that seven hour slaughterfest from 1997.

222 Kilometers from Predazzo to Falzes via Pinei, Sella, Pordoi, Campolongo, Furcia and Montassilone. Brutal stage with huge gaps.

 

[May0maniac]

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Furcia or Tesselberg/Montassilone before the final climb would be enough for me, I don't think that another really hard stage after the Mortirolo stage adds a lot, it could hinder action.
You really don't need to make this one crazy hard if you want action on the Ponte di Legno stage, it will be the 6th consecutive mountain/hilly stage (with a rest day before the Mortirolo stage), that's gonna be pretty hard.

Erbe I want mostly due to the scenery. Stage start in Dimaro followed by Mendola, Erbe and Furcia would be about 170 km. They could also finish further down in Anterselva. And since this would be the most gentle side of Erbe and Furcia isn't that tough, I don't think 3 kms with 8-9 % gradient to the biathlon stadion in Anterselva would be to deterring on the Ponte di Legno stage.

Yes, Erbe is also one of my favurite climbs to ride, it's just stunning, long and th traffic isn't that bad.
It was mainly about adding another climb between Mendola and Erbe, that would be a bit too much.

 

[Eshnar]

Apparently today the Aostan regional RAI news spoiled the route of the stage to Courmayeur. It would be like this:

they report 135 km, so it is pretty accurate.

 

[Red Rick]

Bit short for my liking, but it should be enough to not hit the base of San Carlo with a group that's much too big.

 

[May0maniac]

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Bit short for my liking, but it should be enough to not hit the base of San Carlo with a group that's much too big.

And 3rd consecutive mountain stage after a medium mountain version o Cuneo-Pinerolo and a hard MTF, it should be a great stage and the next day we still have the Lombardia stage as the 4th consecutive gc stage + 2 hard stages after the rest day, this could be a really hard Giro.