Giro d'Italia 2019 rumours

[Gigs_98]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

Okay, so interesting thing here, I just mapped Cuneo - Pinerolo on cronoescalada and according to the site it only has an elevation gain of a bit over 5100 meters missing around 400 meters on the mark three giro stages will supposedly reach. Now maybe what Vegni said was wrong, maybe the Cuneo - Pinerolo stage just isn't one of the 3 5500+ stages or cronoescalda is so inaccurate that the stage actually has a lot more climbing. However there is another explanation being, Pramartino is in, and I have to say, Pramartino after such a savage stage would be absolutely phenomenal. Maybe we even get that short cobbled wall, which was already used in 2016, again.

Classic Coppi 49

Does anybody know if parts of the Colle della Maddalena are still not allowed due to the dangers of rocks falling down?

The *** of 2009

Another possibility to hit the 5.500 meters of climbing is Agnello, Izoard, Montgenèvre, Sestriere and Pramartino. That would be around 240k.

Is it? Not sure if agnello has more altitude gain than maddalena and vars combined plus the 400 meters to reach 5500
Edit: I missed that you wrote about climbing Pramartino as well. So yeah in that case you'd probably reach 5500

 

[Red Rick]

Agnello is probably similar in terms of altitude gain and way better for the race.

 

[Eshnar]

The official Website casually states that the ITT to S.Marino is the only time they go over the border, so it's a pretty explicit hint that they're not going to France for the Cuneo-Pinerolo... I'd say they are definitely doing stuff with Finestre.

 

[Red Rick]

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The official Website casually states that the ITT to S.Marino is the only time they go over the border, so it's a pretty explicit hint that they're not going to France for the Cuneo-Pinerolo... I'd say they are definitely doing stuff with Finestre.

Basset?

 

[Eshnar]

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The official Website casually states that the ITT to S.Marino is the only time they go over the border, so it's a pretty explicit hint that they're not going to France for the Cuneo-Pinerolo... I'd say they are definitely doing stuff with Finestre.

Basset?

that would be nowhere near enough. Unless this is just supposed to be an "easy" stage and the real big one is Courmayeur.

 

[Gigs_98]

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The official Website casually states that the ITT to S.Marino is the only time they go over the border, so it's a pretty explicit hint that they're not going to France for the Cuneo-Pinerolo... I'd say they are definitely doing stuff with Finestre.

Then again prior to the announcement of the 2017 route they officially announced the 2017 race would not cross the Italian border just to backpedal a few days later, so I'm not 100% convinced yet. It makes Finestre and or Basset more likely though. (There were some rumors about Basset getting paved, does anyone know if that was actually done?)

 

[Eshnar]

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Then again prior to the announcement of the 2017 route they officially announced the 2017 race would not cross the Italian border just to backpedal a few days later, so I'm not 100% convinced yet. It makes Finestre and or Basset more likely though. (There were some rumors about Basset getting paved, does anyone know if that was actually done?)

well ofc if tomorrow Grenoble offfers 1m for a stage finish, Cuneo-Pinerolo will become Cuneo-Grenoble overnight

It just means that at the Moment the plan is different.

 

[Eshnar]

also, I really think Vegni messed up his calculation, because 5500m+ for a stage are really a lot and I don't think any rumoured stage can reach that (maybe only a crazy Cuneo - Pinerolo) .
The Sportful, for example, goes around 4500.

 

[Red Rick]

Guess it also depends on how they measure it.

What was the Val di Fassa stage of 2011 again?

 

[Climbing]

Not sure exactly, around 5000 (la flamme rouge says it was 6876 mt https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/178921).

 

[roundabout]

More like 6000 at a glance

 

[Climbing]

Lol, La Flamme Rouge says 6876 mt...

Edit: I remember an excellent comeback from Scarpa in the end, or most likely Alberto bonking a bit going too deep too early).
Nibali attacking early on descent, bonking uphill, another absurd descent to comeback, then pacing himself very well in the end and losing only 1 minute and a half.
What an epic stage!

 

[staubsauger]

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Then again prior to the announcement of the 2017 route they officially announced the 2017 race would not cross the Italian border just to backpedal a few days later, so I'm not 100% convinced yet. It makes Finestre and or Basset more likely though. (There were some rumors about Basset getting paved, does anyone know if that was actually done?)

well ofc if tomorrow Grenoble offfers 1m for a stage finish, Cuneo-Pinerolo will become Cuneo-Grenoble overnight

It just means that at the Moment the plan is different.

It's one year too late for Les Deux Alpes anyway! So they might indeed just stay inside of Italy!

It's gonna be exactly 25 years since Cuneo - Les Deux Alpes though, so you'll never know. Once someone comes up with a big paycheck!

 

[Eshnar]

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What was the Val di Fassa stage of 2011 again?

looks to me around 5700m.
editors count all altitude inaccuracies coming from their maps, so everything adds up and altitude gains is always grossly overestimated.

 

[Nirvana]

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Then again prior to the announcement of the 2017 route they officially announced the 2017 race would not cross the Italian border just to backpedal a few days later, so I'm not 100% convinced yet. It makes Finestre and or Basset more likely though. (There were some rumors about Basset getting paved, does anyone know if that was actually done?)

well ofc if tomorrow Grenoble offfers 1m for a stage finish, Cuneo-Pinerolo will become Cuneo-Grenoble overnight

It just means that at the Moment the plan is different.

It's one year too late for Les Deux Alpes anyway! So they might indeed just stay inside of Italy!

It's gonna be exactly 25 years since Cuneo - Les Deux Alpes though, so you'll never know. Once someone comes up with a big paycheck!

They should put in the Galibier in that case, only the Lautaret after Izoard will neutralize the stage.

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2019 rumors

Today a local article wrote that stage 2 is gonna finish in Empoli, which imo is quite believable. It could be a good medium mountain stage.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Empoli
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia - Cassino(??)
6. ??? - S.Giovanni Rotondo(?)
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - ???
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
11 Carpi - ???
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 ??? - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiacco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[Red Rick]

Does that mean it's likely to be GC relevant?

 

[Eshnar]

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Does that mean it's likely to be GC relevant?

I don't think so. Probably just a good chance for stage hunters.

 

[Red Rick]

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Does that mean it's likely to be GC relevant?

I don't think so. Probably just a good chance for stage hunters.

Considering it's stage 2, and that the prologue won't be won by a terrible climber, I'm gonna guess it's not going to a breakaway.

But I'm kinda starting to dislike hard stages that are not GC relevant. It's the useless kind of fatigue. The Tour is really good at that normally. Everyone so tired when nothing happened.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Does that mean it's likely to be GC relevant?

I don't think so. Probably just a good chance for stage hunters.

Considering it's stage 2, and that the prologue won't be won by a terrible climber, I'm gonna guess it's not going to a breakaway.

But I'm kinda starting to dislike hard stages that are not GC relevant. It's the useless kind of fatigue. The Tour is really good at that normally. Everyone so tired when nothing happened.

Then again, retrospectively this years giro was probably so great because of the hilly stages in week 2 which all didn't look gc relevant. Fatigue can be bad like in 2016 where the riders you'd expect to attack guns blazing simply couldn't but last year (or 2015 for that matter) it was great cause it consistently led to riders completely blowing up

 

[Red Rick]

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Does that mean it's likely to be GC relevant?

I don't think so. Probably just a good chance for stage hunters.

Considering it's stage 2, and that the prologue won't be won by a terrible climber, I'm gonna guess it's not going to a breakaway.

But I'm kinda starting to dislike hard stages that are not GC relevant. It's the useless kind of fatigue. The Tour is really good at that normally. Everyone so tired when nothing happened.

Then again, retrospectively this years giro was probably so great because of the hilly stages in week 2 which all didn't look gc relevant. Fatigue can be bad like in 2016 where the riders you'd expect to attack guns blazing simply couldn't but last year (or 2015 for that matter) it was great cause it consistently led to riders completely blowing up

It also really depends on the stage.

Some stages really need a fatigued peloton.

Some are probably better off with a fresher peloton.

Alpe d'Huez this year for example was really bad, cause the riders were tired AND thus afraid to blow up.

In general, I wish routes would put more emphasis on having low risks of attacks resulting in backblow. This Vuelta on every steep finish everyone was afraid to blow up. Then you have the one climb that's eases out the last 10km and it's the most aggressive stage of the entire race.

 

[movingtarget]

The Vuelta has to get more balanced with it's mountain stages. Super steep ramps often kill the action not encourage it. Sometimes intermediate stages with multiple climbs more like one day classic stages are much more enjoyable than 20 % ramps on the final climb. I thought the 2018 Giro was a good balance on the mountain stages. While the Tour continues to have decent mountain stages that finish on a long descent and those stages mostly change nothing although it worked for Roglic this year only to see him collapse in the TT the day after.

 

[Eshnar]

A local article today slightly corrected yesterday rumours, stating that stage 2 will finish in Fucecchio (small town near Empoli). The stage is said to feature the climb of Il Pinone from the side of Castra (~5.5 km at >7% average), peaking at around 20-30 km to go. The route before reaching the area of Empoli has not been described.

In other news, another article claimed that stage 8 is gonna finish in Pesaro, for what would likely be a flattish stage before the ITT.

1. Bologna - S.Luca (8.2 km ITT)
2. Bologna - Fucecchio
3. Vinci - Orbetello
4. Orbetello - Frascati
5. Sabaudia - Cassino(???)
6. ??? - S.Giovanni Rotondo(?)
7. Vasto - L'Aquila
8. Tortoreto Lido - Pesaro
9. Riccione - S.Marino (34.7 km ITT)
rest
10 Ravenna - Modena
11 Carpi - ???
12 Cuneo - Pinerolo
13 Pinerolo - Novi Ligure
14 Ivrea - Courmayeur
15 St. Vincent - Como(or surroundings)
rest
16 ??? - Ponte di Legno
17 Val di Sole - Anterselva
18 Dobbiacco - S. Maria di Sala
19 Treviso - S. Martino di Castrozza
20 Feltre - Passo Croce d'Aune
21 Verona - Verona (15 km ITT)

 

[barmaher]

Some potentially good stages during the first week, but most of the them will be on when I am working.

 

[Robert5091]

stage 8 is "flatish, then the long TT, a rest day, then a pancake flat stage. GC guys can really go nuts on the TT - or is this an attempt to get Froome versus Tommy D again?