Giro d'Italia 2020, Stage 5: Mileto – Camigliatello Silano 225 km

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Yates avoided further damage, good for him as next GC battle will be at stage 9, so he has plenty of time to recover.
I was saying this as I watched. They missed a golden chance to really kill off Yates today as he looked pretty poor.

Pretty similar to when they didn't kill of Froome in Giro 2018.
 
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I was saying this as I watched. They missed a golden chance to really kill off Yates today as he looked pretty poor.

Pretty similar to when they didn't kill of Froome in Giro 2018.

Climb wasn't difficult enough, Wet, foggy, dark descent. The rewards not worth a fall!
 
Feb 1, 2011
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To be honest, I don't find Ganna winning a stage like this that unbelievable. Tony Martin once won a really tough Vosges stage in the Tour, that's kinda comparable. What I do find pretty incredible is that he won it after being caught by De Gendt, dropping De Gendt again and riding the final 5 k of a 1st category climb faster than the peloton that wasn't going fullgas, but not exactly slowly either.

Tony Martin nearly won a stage finishing on *** Mont Ventoux. He just never really wanted to be anything else than what he's already best at.
 
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It's s shame that a 20 km+ mountain with constant 5-6% gradients is not enough to drop any of the top 20 climbers.

I think that's why the tendency has been shorter but steeper climbs in the past decade. Gradients is now a bigger factor than length.
 
Sep 2, 2011
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I was saying this as I watched. They missed a golden chance to really kill off Yates today as he looked pretty poor.
Nobody has the team to do it.
And nobody will attack on a 6% climb knowing 10 riders will be on his wheel.

Perhaps the only team with a chance to do it today was Sunweb, but I doubt Oomen and Hamilton could go much faster than Brambilla.
 
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Giro remembers Jakobsen & Evenepoel

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It's s shame that a 20 km+ mountain with constant 5-6% gradients is not enough to drop any of the top 20 climbers.

I think that's why the tendency has been shorter but steeper climbs in the past decade. Gradients is now a bigger factor than length.

Just use long with 7-8%, this climb has lots of sector between 4 and 6, no way in hell to make a selection.
 
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Just use long with 7-8%, this climb has lots of sector between 4 and 6, no way in hell to make a selection.
It's also not like altitude does that much then either, as seen on Sierra Nevada. If the last 2km are harder you wills till get actions like on Val Thorens for example, but not before.

It's kind of weird these climbs really put emphasis on having a lot of domestiques rather than a few super strong ones.
 
Einer Rubio did not make friends with De Gendt. De Gendt flat out said that anybody could win, but not Rubio who didn't do any work in the chase "because he had a teammate up the road". But even afterwards, he still didn't want to do any work but he did attack. De Gendt didn't want him to win so he rode on his wheel so Ganna could win.

 
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it's understandable in a way, but thereby de Gendt threw away a good chance to take his first win of the season as well. And/or the mountain jersey. I'm not sure the team will be particularly happy with him setting his priorities on teaching a youngster a lesson instead
 
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Keep in mind the rain & conditions made the descent to the finish really tricky today. I doubt many of the GC contenders wanted to take the risk of attacking on that particular climb & risk a lot (too much, really) on a dangerous final 10 km. There was very little protection from barriers, concrete walls & trees.
 
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it's understandable in a way, but thereby de Gendt threw away a good chance to take his first win of the season as well. And/or the mountain jersey. I'm not sure the team will be particularly happy with him setting his priorities on teaching a youngster a lesson instead
The question is if he could have won anyway. If he couldn't drop Rubio yet has to do all the work, he probably doesn't win either. Now at least he made a statement that you can't win by just sucking his wheel.
 
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Nice win for Ganna. He wasn't exactly near the top of my list to win the stage today.
 
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it's understandable in a way, but thereby de Gendt threw away a good chance to take his first win of the season as well. And/or the mountain jersey. I'm not sure the team will be particularly happy with him setting his priorities on teaching a youngster a lesson instead
De Gendt also said that he had lost his punch after his solitary ride to the breakaway. If he truly was able to catch Ganna alone, he would have done it.

But I understand that he did not wanna die trying, just to see his backpack attacking. I'd say that Rubio was the real loser here. He lost his chance of a great result and a potential win, by not cooperating on a climb very much suited for cooperation. I'd imagine Movistar would be a lot more upset about missing out on a potential stage win, than Lotto about De Gendt pulling Rubio all the way, just to see him attack and win.
 
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The question is if he could have won anyway. If he couldn't drop Rubio yet has to do all the work, he probably doesn't win either. Now at least he made a statement that you can't win by just sucking his wheel.
Exactly. De Gendt implied that Ganna was too strong, but he surely didn't want Rubio to come back, so he rode on his wheel. He felt he couldn't win himself and hasn't got 100% form yet. Also, he didn't exactly plan on riding to the front group, he wanted to anticipate attacks from the peloton to be able to help Harm VH.

Polish commentators keep pronouncing Vanhoucke as if it was Van Hoecke. It made me really confused at one point hearing that Van Hoecke had been on the attack on Etna.
It is pronounced the same way.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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Einer Rubio did not make friends with De Gendt. De Gendt flat out said that anybody could win, but not Rubio who didn't do any work in the chase "because he had a teammate up the road". But even afterwards, he still didn't want to do any work but he did attack. De Gendt didn't want him to win so he rode on his wheel so Ganna could win.

Rubio had no clue what he was doing. All the time calling his manager. He was probably playing team player to Carretero who later defaulted. I am sure he didn't have the strength nor the idea that he was going to find himself in that situation. We'll see next time what his reaction is. However, there is no excuse for DeGendt to focus on the stage instead of the youngster who I believe did not have the strength nor the strategic means to win.

Somehow I feel DeGendt is excusing himself with the Youngster for not really having the strength to win the stage.
 
Jul 27, 2009
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Exactly. De Gendt implied that Ganna was too strong, but he surely didn't want Rubio to come back, so he rode on his wheel. He felt he couldn't win himself and hasn't got 100% form yet. Also, he didn't exactly plan on riding to the front group, he wanted to anticipate attacks from the peloton to be able to help Harm VH.


It is pronounced the same way.
Isn't it pronounced like in Froukje instead of like in Jeroen?

That's how I learned it in Dutch class IMHO.
 
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Maybe as good as Amador was in the 2015 and 2016 Giro.

Or Bilbao in 2018?

I think he could land somewhere around what he did back then. His style isn't exactly easy on the eye but I have a fantasy team depending highly on him performing well, so I'll give that a pass.
 
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Rubio had no clue what he was doing. All the time calling his manager. He was probably playing team player to Carretero who later defaulted. I am sure he didn't have the strength nor the idea that he was going to find himself in that situation. We'll see next time what his reaction is. However, there is no excuse for DeGendt to focus on the stage instead of the youngster who I believe did not have the strength nor the strategic means to win.

Somehow I feel DeGendt is excusing himself with the Youngster for not really having the strength to win the stage.

I think the real issue was that Rubio put in an attack after having been lifted all the way, and then after that he again just got on TDG's wheel. That was a bit ridiculous, no matter how inexperienced he may be.
 
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Ganna will need to go full Eros Poli if he wants to get over that last bump in the lead.

*** that he just rode away.

I was at work watching this on a phone, turned it on for the last 9k and thought wow Puccio is going to win this one.