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Eshnar

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Mayomaniac

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Will probably still be less bloated and boring than the usual Tour presentation, but I expect major Italian talk show vibes with people talking for hours without saying anything relevant.
 
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At least they're releasing it in the order to increase suspense, rather than the Tour, which usually announces the main mountain stages and then fills in the blanks later (although in 2021, those were generally the better-designed stages in fairness).
 
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OlavEH

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You can link that combination with multiple other climbs and have Passo Rolle from South or even Manghen right before Valles.
And then you also have the always underused Würzjoch/Passo delle Erbe (the actual Ladin name is Jú de Börz) with multiple steep sides that you can connect with other climbs and either have a great MTF or a downhill finish in Brixen/Bressanone (one of the nicest towns in Südtirol).
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Agree. That Valles - San Pellegrino combo with a downhill finish in Moena is pretty nice. Much better than finishing in one of the villages along Sella Ronda.

It's a bit strange that Passo delle Erbe isn't used more. I've only seen used one time, in 2005, and remember it being one of the most scenic climbs I've ever seen. And it's also fairly centrally placed in the Dolomites. It could be uses in several different ways. That's why I find it strage it isn't used more frequently.
 
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Mayomaniac

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OlavEH said:
Agree. That Valles - San Pellegrino combo with a downhill finish in Moena is pretty nice. Much better than finishing in one of the villages along Sella Ronda.

It's a bit strange that Passo delle Erbe isn't used more. I've only seen used one time, in 2005, and remember it being one of the most scenic climbs I've ever seen. And it's also fairly centrally placed in the Dolomites. It could be uses in several different ways. That's why I find it strage it isn't used more frequently.
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I love that climb, super stunning and less traffic than on the big names around Cortina or the Sella Ronda.
Some sites of the climb are really hard and the road is clearly wide enough for a race:
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Perfect as a MTF or as a downhill finish in Brixen/Bressanone (the descent starts with 3kms to go, you can have the Ronecker Alm right before Lüsen/Luson.
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Also a great climb that you can have before a 30km long descent towards Brixen/Bressanone and the climb starts right after the Furcia descent.
 
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Netserk

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OlavEH said:
Agree. That Valles - San Pellegrino combo with a downhill finish in Moena is pretty nice. Much better than finishing in one of the villages along Sella Ronda.
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Since 2002 there have only been a finish in one of those villages in 2016 and 2017 (which was with none of the passes of the Sella Ronda). I don't think the 2008 Fedaia MTF counts here.

So for 20 years the only proper example is the 2016 stage that finished in Corvara. No, I don't buy that a Moena finish is better than that. And certainly not nearly as good as this:

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How are the odds that RCS will once again unlock all the profiles on their website too early/already on the first day of the presentation?
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99,9%. :cool:

On the other hand, it would be funny if they present only one stage on 8/11 or go for ten that day, like in the glory Petacchi sprint festival of 2004.
 
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Since 2002 there have only been a finish in one of those villages in 2016 and 2017 (which was with none of the passes of the Sella Ronda). I don't think the 2008 Fedaia MTF counts here.

So for 20 years the only proper example is the 2016 stage that finished in Corvara. No, I don't buy that a Moena finish is better than that. And certainly not nearly as good as this:

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I dunno man.

Pordoi as Cima Coppi is gives me chills.
 
Mayomaniac

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Netserk said:
Since 2002 there have only been a finish in one of those villages in 2016 and 2017 (which was with none of the passes of the Sella Ronda). I don't think the 2008 Fedaia MTF counts here.

So for 20 years the only proper example is the 2016 stage that finished in Corvara. No, I don't buy that a Moena finish is better than that. And certainly not nearly as good as this:

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I'd prefer another climb at the start and a finish in Arabba after the awesome Pordoi descent that features 34 hairpins, but this one is still a great stage. If someone wants to go on Fedaia he can go on Fedaia. It's hard to mess up any combination of Fedaia + another climb shortly afterwards as the final climb, it's just too good.
The best run in into Fedaia is probably Valparola from la Villa followed by the Giau from Pocol, 2 good climbs and almost no flat before Fedaia.
 
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OlavEH

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Since 2002 there have only been a finish in one of those villages in 2016 and 2017 (which was with none of the passes of the Sella Ronda). I don't think the 2008 Fedaia MTF counts here.

So for 20 years the only proper example is the 2016 stage that finished in Corvara. No, I don't buy that a Moena finish is better than that. And certainly not nearly as good as this:
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Pordoi and Campolongo are both "fairly" easy. 6-7 % climbs. You would have 12 km, 6,5 %, 10 km descent and 4 km, 6-7 % to Campolongo, then a descent again. If someone attacked massively on Fedaia, it would probably have been a great stage, but if not, I'm not convinced. Then I would rather prefer the Valles-San Pellegrino combo. 4 km, almost 9 %, short descent, 6 km with almost 9 % (including 2,5 km of 11 %), then a descent to Moena.

Edit: I forgot about the Pordoi descent. Agree that a combo of Fedaia and Pordoi descent (or MTF) would be great. But they should rather end in Arabba than Corvara. And the premise for this part of discussion was a post I wrote last week that Giau and/or Fedaia should be used if you want to create a monster mountain stage with huge time gaps in the central Dolomites.
 
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