It would be a shame to repeat the vergogna of 2009 and skip the beautiful and challenging Monte Faito again. It's a crime against the cycling gods, that it wasn't in the Giro since 1978.
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It would be a shame to repeat the vergogna of 2009 and skip the beautiful and challenging Monte Faito again. It's a crime against the cycling gods, that it wasn't in the Giro since 1978.
Santena is just outside Torino? That would mean that it probably won't be many climbs on the way to Cogne? One or maximum two before the last climb to Cogne?
Castelmonte is a sanctucary in the hills just east of Cividale del Friuli? Will they be going into Slovenia on this stage?
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Santena is rumoured to have a stage start, but since right now we know little of the Piedmont stage(s), it doesn't have to be stage 15.
We already know quite a lot of the Castelmonte stage, yes it will pass through Slovenia. It should look more or less like the one I posted
A possible route for stage 19, taken from Cicloweb.
The finish and the big Slovenian climb should be there, the rest is just guesswork.
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GIRO 2022. PARTENZA DALL'UNGHERIA MA NON CON UNA CRONO, CHIUSURA A VERONA CONTRO IL TEMPO (tuttobiciweb.it)
according to this the three Hungarian stages have been redesigned. One of them will be an ITT but it won't be stage 1.
This might mean it should be a long(ish) ITT, especially since the article states that the Verona ITT will be around 20 km.
according to this the three Hungarian stages have been redesigned. One of them will be an ITT but it won't be stage 1.
This might mean it should be a long(ish) ITT, especially since the article states that the Verona ITT will be around 20 km.
Same, gifting the first Maglia Rosa to a pure sprinter always sucks.
it has happened once (Cav) during the past 15 years or so, hasn't it?! I think it's fine to give a sprinter a chance every now and then - and on Sardegna they stilled managed to mess up on day 1
That early in the race a TTT makes more sense.
Even more so considering transfer logistics.
Could well be if they reach this far.
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Yeah, I was thinking about Kittel in Ireland in the 2014 Giro, but there was a TTT at the start and he never got the jersey.
I don't mind a sprinter getting the jersey early like Kittel in 2016, he had to earn it by riding a great opening ITT (5th) and winning the next 2 stages (him pulling out right after getting the jersey and before even riding a stage in Italy was BS, but that's another topic).
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sorry, but I don't think there ever existed a situation where a TTT made more sense than an ITT.
Would be quite a job creating one then, wouldn't it?
... there's a challenge.
Are there any rumours yet? I've been waiting for Fauniera for years, south-western Alps are so underused by the Giro organizers. Combos near Italy/France boarder are not that easy... (Izoard looks like a rest here)
I live in Piemonte, very close to all these climbs. I climbed all of them multiple times, from all possible sides.
Trust me...this stage profile is absolutely nuts.
On a serious note, I do not see any possibility of a stage with the Fauniera in the next few years. I have been on the Fauniera a couple of times this summer...
- The side of Demonte has sections with a very rough tarmac, and the descent in general is very dangerous. I do not think that Mauro Vegni would choose such a dangerous and difficult descent.
- The side of Castelmagno is a bit better, but the quality of the tarmac is still way worse than what you find in France, for example.
- The side of Ponte Marmora is just awful, it is absolutely impossible for a professional race to use that side as a descent, as in the stage profile above. It is the best side of the Fauniera in terms of landscape, panorama, and views...but the road is just way too narrow, full of cracks and potholes.
Lombarda and Agnello do not have such problems...but they force you to go into France, meaning that it is not always possible to plan a stage there.
However, the Granfondo Fausto Coppi has been canceled for 2022. I have no idea about the reason...but what if the organizers decided to invest the money on a stage of the Giro instead of the traditional Granfondo? I am purely speculating...but I would love that.
Fairly vague rumours so far, but the most certain ones according to Eshnar seems promising:
Stage 17 is mountain stage in Trentino. Could we finally get stage using some of the steep climbs around Garda, Rovereto, Trento?
Last mountain stage. Will this be a brutal Dolomite stage?
What happens between Blockhaus and Cogne? Hopefully there could be a good medium mountain stage on stage 11, 12 or 13?
- Early Etna MTF
- Blockhaus MTF at the end of week 1.
- Cogne MTF. That could be good if using Pila and Verrogne first.
- Tirano finish. Suprised if this doesn't go via Mortirolo and Santa Cristina.
- Brutal Friuli/Slovenian medium mountain stage.
Stage 17 is mountain stage in Trentino. Could we finally get stage using some of the steep climbs around Garda, Rovereto, Trento?
Last mountain stage. Will this be a brutal Dolomite stage?
What happens between Blockhaus and Cogne? Hopefully there could be a good medium mountain stage on stage 11, 12 or 13?
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Most likely they are just in deep ****. It would make no sense to invest in a Giro stage and not race the Granfondo in that year. What would be the point?
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Allegedly Beppe Conti said that tonight.
No, not possible unless the whole route has been changed overnight. I would even struggle to believe 3 stages.
(yes, it's obviously impossible as long as the road conditions stay the way they are/continue to deteriorate, but there's no reason to assume it's permanently off limits in the way that something like Crostis or Puy-de-Dôme is)
On a more serious note, thanks for the update, first-hand information is always valuable.
(yes, it's obviously impossible as long as the road conditions stay the way they are/continue to deteriorate, but there's no reason to assume it's permanently off limits in the way that something like Crostis or Puy-de-Dôme is)
On a more serious note, thanks for the update, first-hand information is always valuable.
It is impossible simply because there is no money to fix the road. We are talking about millions of €.
I climbed the Fauniera from the Marmora side for the first time in 2010, then I quit with cycling for a long time. I started riding again few years later and climbed the Fauniera from Marmora again other 3/4 times. Apart from some new tarmac in the first 5-6 km of the climb, nothing has changed since 2010.
Is this the same Beppe Conti, who just fabricated fantasy stories about Ineos offering Pogacar tens of millions of Euros?
View: https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1451506330339000320
(yes, it's obviously impossible as long as the road conditions stay the way they are/continue to deteriorate, but there's no reason to assume it's permanently off limits in the way that something like Crostis or Puy-de-Dôme is)
On a more serious note, thanks for the update, first-hand information is always valuable.
Pantani and Garzelli crashed hard on that descent. So Garzelli lost over five minutes to Simoni and had no chance to win that Giro anymore. That day, they eliminated 35 riders after failing to make the time limit. Petacchi in ciclamino also was thrown out. So only some 95 riders finished the Giro.
You can check the road condition on Street View. The photos are from 2011 and I guess after ten winter seasons without any work, it got a lot worse.
It's been 18 years, but my memory of that stage is that Pantani and Garzelli crashed on the Sampeyre downhill
If that stage is not the ITT as originally planned - They will need to break the peloton up beforehand, because those roads up to the castle are narrow. A rolling (rouleur/ moyen montagnes) stage around the Buda Hills, a bit like Sheffield in TdF 2014 stage 2, could be arranged and would be exciting.
As much as I'd love to see sampeyre/fauniera in the giro hard to disagree with this.
Having climbed/descended both sampeyre and fauniera in 2018 and spent some time in the area the roads are in pretty awful condition and the area seems less developed than other parts of Italian alps. I just don't know where the funds would come from to pave the roads. On the other hand the lack of infrastructure/poor roads and remoteness is probably one of the things that makes it quieter and such an amazing place to ride (better than the hordes of motorbikes in some parts of the dolomites/alps) so in that sense I'm not so disappointed it's going to stay as it is!
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