Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2023, stage 16: Sabbio Chiese - Monte Bondone 203 km

[Ilmaestro99]

Addy Engels is still a complete moron, using surgical precision to calculate the perfect way to use Kuss to the least amount of benefit to his own team imaginable.

¿What are you smoking? Kuss safe Roglic today. You are dogmatic

 

[BR2]

Yeah well, thats the main reason I don't really care for G. Thomas aswell. Apart from that, he isn't exciting at all, but its not like I have anything against the guy. Just not rooting for him, and he rarely makes a race more watchable, lets put it that way.

Yeah, that's my sentiment as well.

 

[tobydawq]

What an unexpected transformation of the third British rider going from gruppetto to Tour winner has to do with the people's sentiments when he leads a GT?

Yes.

People loved Dumoulin even though his transformation was the exact same and he also never attacked apart from one time on Oropa. I guess he wasn't British, though.

 

[BR2]

Kuss' level today was really extremely high, and I would not have expected it.

 

[Izzyeviel]

What an unexpected transformation of the third British rider going from gruppetto to Tour winner has to do with the people's sentiments when he leads a GT?

Its unexpected that gold medal winners & skinny kids turn into good cyclists?

 

[Red Rick]

Yes.

People loved Dumoulin even though his transformation was the exact same and he also never attacked apart from one time on Oropa. I guess he wasn't British, though.

Dumoulin who was 2nd last in his first Tour de France?

 

[BR2]

Yes.

People loved Dumoulin even though his transformation was the exact same and he also never attacked apart from one time on Oropa. I guess he wasn't British, though.

I don't think that's the reason. Dumoulin somehow seemed to be in the position of an underdog (whereas Thomas was on the dominating team that won most GTs anyway), and he also showed himself vulnerable a few times, in the end he was more "unfullfilled", whereas with Thomas it always felt more like he won at least everything that one could have expected, if he wasn't overachieving. I think those are more the important factors as to why they were perceived differently.

 

[Netserk]

Yes.

People loved Dumoulin even though his transformation was the exact same and he also never attacked apart from one time on Oropa. I guess he wasn't British, though.

Dumoulin turned pro in 2012 when he was 21 and made the top-10 of Burgos. He had his breakthrough in the mountains when he was 5th in Suisse at age 23.

Thomas was 28 before he similarly was 5th in the 2015 Paris-Nice. Sure, he led the race the year before, but before any mountains.

 

[Bonimenier]

Some borderline clinic talk and the moderator decides to join in.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Ah the old 'my doped guy has more natural talent than your doped guy, even though I don't know when either started doping' discussion typical of cycling forums whenever an Ineos guy looks decent.

Pastronef had a point.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If he had a different flag next to his name, and his name was Sanchez or Rossi, you'd be beside yourself with excitement.

Don't project. You can dig back through my post history to see what I thought of the likes of Isidro Nozal, Raúl Alarcón and Búfalo Gutiérrez. That's the kind of rider I think about when I think of a Spanish equivalent of Thomas.

I might plead somewhat guilty with regards Héctor Guerra, I guess.

¿What are you smoking? Kuss safe Roglic today. You are dogmatic

They did nothing with Kuss until they were in the small selection. Then when Jumbo had the advantage of numbers, he did nothing. Until Almeida attacked and then the responsibility for chasing fell on the isolated Thomas. And it was then that they put Kuss on the front, and he rode Thomas across to Almeida and dropped his own team leader.

After that, he did the right job, but before that, their usage of him was all over the place.

 

[tobydawq]

They did nothing with Kuss until they were in the small selection. Then when Jumbo had the advantage of numbers, he did nothing. Until Almeida attacked and then the responsibility for chasing fell on the isolated Thomas. And it was then that they put Kuss on the front, and he rode Thomas across to Almeida and dropped his own team leader.

After that, he did the right job, but before that, their usage of him was all over the place.

Lol, this is just so typical of you. There was nothing conspicuous about what Kuss did, and evidently, Roglic was not feeling that good, so Kuss had no business drilling as Roglic would benefit from a short break, yet here you are, slamming Kuss for no reason, inventing problems and arguments, grasping desperately for straws, when in fact all that Kuss did was limit the losses for Roglic and keeping him in the race.

 

[Netserk]

Ah the old 'my doped guy has more natural talent than your doped guy, even though I don't know when either started doping' discussion typical of cycling forums whenever an Ineos guy looks decent.

Pastronef had a point.

This conversation can be had completely removed from the clinic.

Some people really like young, promising talents. Great champions who have shown their class on a bike from first pedal stroke. Independent of riding style, I think that's part of why many cheer for Remco.

The early career of Thomas was not exciting. Some are charmed by the old guy, just like with Horner, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[Netserk]

Some people like their porn actresses with big implants, others prefer different aesthetics. That does not have to be matter of moral judgement.

 

[Bonimenier]

Some people like their porn actresses with big implants, others prefer a different aesthetics. That does not have to be matter of moral judgement.

Are you trying to convince yourself you weren't talking about clinical matters?

 

[Salvarani]

Lol, this is just so typical of you. There was nothing conspicuous about what Kuss did, and evidently, Roglic was not feeling that good, so Kuss had no business drilling as Roglic would benefit from a short break, yet here you are, slamming Kuss for no reason, inventing problems and arguments, grasping desperately for straws, when in fact all that Kuss did was limit the losses for Roglic and keeping him in the race.

Exactly...

Kuss rode at a tempo that Roglic could do, while limiting losses to Almeida.

But Thomas, who was in between the Jumbo riders, probably sensed or felt that Roglic was on a bad day and attacked.

Jumbo were on the defense... why hadnt they been pacing at all? If Roglic was ok, Kuss would have taken over immediately after Vine was done and kept drilling it. Not let Almedia take a big turn and then Thomas. Almeida attacking and close down immediately. Roglic was on the limit of what he could do today. Last push in final km at least showed he was careful not going into red for too long.

To limit your losses to 25 seconds is a hit but probably could have been worse. Almeida and Thomas might regret not attacking earlier on this stage later, who knows at this moment.

 

[Netserk]

Are you trying to convince yourself you weren't talking about clinical matters?

I'm talking about career aesthetics. I think it's fine not to like that of Thomas.

 

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[Bonimenier]

I'm talking about career aesthetics. I think it's fine not to like that of Thomas.

So you're succeeding?

 

[Panda Claws]

Fight of the weak

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Some people like their porn actresses with big implants, others prefer different aesthetics. That does not have to be matter of moral judgement.

I like my GC riders to have implants as well. That's why I like Remco's massive thighs.

 

[Netserk]

I like my GC riders to have implants as well. That's why I like Remco's massive thighs.

I too don't think Samu's balls were naturally of that size.

 

[Ricco']

Kämna out of this world in the Ninja of the Giro competition. 14 out of 16 stages between 11th and 25th, two times 11th and one time 12th.

 

[ZamlinusYoutubeious]

What does that have to do with anything??

I expect nothing less from you two.
Aparently i don't know how to do the multi quote thing on my phone. I was also trying to quote libertine seguros.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

They did nothing with Kuss until they were in the small selection. Then when Jumbo had the advantage of numbers, he did nothing. Until Almeida attacked and then the responsibility for chasing fell on the isolated Thomas. And it was then that they put Kuss on the front, and he rode Thomas across to Almeida and dropped his own team leader.

After that, he did the right job, but before that, their usage of him was all over the place.

They didn't have the advantage of numbers, because Kuss is irrelevant for GC. You wanted Kuss to attack for the stage? Leave Roglic exposed? You wanted Kuss to set the pace and drop his own leader with his rivals in his wheel? I have a hard time figuring out what you think should have transpired.