Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2025 Stage 10: Lucca – Pisa (Time Trial)

[Mayomaniac]

Tiberi and S. Yates in 3rd and 4th - and few (if any) have considered them serious podium candidates.

With Simon it's the 3rd week and the high mountains, I did have Tiberi as a potential podium finisher on my bingo card. That said, riding the Tour for the first time and fighting for a potential top 5 would have been a better learning experience for Tiberi (while Lenny Martinez gets to ride the Giro, far away from the French hypetrain).

 

[movingtarget]

Roglic is still well positioned but he would have liked another TT in the third week or longer TT's. . Decent ride by Simon Yates. Bad day for Carapaz, Bernal and Storer. Still UAE's race to lose. Hopefully Bora improves in the second half of the race..

 

[Cycling111]

told you

I've never said Del Toro is the favorite. What I've said is that he can't be ruled out taking a step forward in the Giro and holding onto the lead, because we don't know his limits and someone so young can take a step forward in any GT
Those are two different things.

Furthermore, he was compared to Kuss.
Kuss was very bad at time trials, and in the Vuelta time trial, he was far above his potential. If Del Toro had been that way today, there would have been that possibility, but Del Toro today hasn't been far above his previous results like Kuss in Vuelta ITT.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Yeah, but he stopped Ski jumping because of a bad crash. Overall you're right about Ski Jumpers, my little cousine did it for a short time and the guy had no fear, you could tell him to jump from the slide or a tree and he did it.

But wasn't that also because he discovered cycling? Tbh I don't really know the details of his transition.
My guess it that the general characteristic of his character (risk taker, rather fearless, ready to take a fall) doesn't need to change when you make the decision that, maybe also because you are prone to taking risks, ski jumping might just be to risky, if you look at it rationally.
But well that's all Spekulatius of course.

 

[Brullnux]

Tiberi and S. Yates in 3rd and 4th - and few (if any) have considered them serious podium candidates.

Basically everyone had Tiberi as a potential podium candidate

 

[Lequack]

Time gained or lost in the GC

 

[Potomac]

Gee the big winner and Carapaz the big loser today.

 

[HashRouge]

4 of the top 7. How fun

Very little time between McNulty, A. Yates, Carapaz, Ciccone and Arensman though. I'd expect McNulty to drop out of the top 10 once the mountains get steeper. Lord knows with A. Yates, I don't feel like I have a good handle on his form. Carapaz and Ciccone I'd expect to move up too. I also would expect Isaac del Toro to lose quite a bit of time on the big mountain stages, but I'm not sure I have a great handle on exactly how good a climber he is. Basically, I'm hoping that the final Giro top 10 won't be quite as UAE dominated as it currently looks. I really miss the 2022 days when Pog's best mountain domestique was Majka. The fact their team is so stacked that Majka doesn't even get to go to the Tour anymore makes me sad. I actually kind of liked the OG UAE, it was a bit easier to overlook the sports washing when they weren't dominating every race of the season and buying up all the top talent.

 

[movingtarget]

With Simon it's the 3rd week and the high mountains, I did have Tiberi as a potential podium finisher on my bingo card. That said, riding the Tour for the first time and fighting for a potential top 5 would have been a better learning experience for Tiberi (while Lenny Martinez gets to ride the Giro, far away from the French hypetrain).

The Vuelta win was a long time ago. A few times he looked really good early in the Giro then had issues sometimes with illness or crashes or simply bad days.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

What is your point in relation to my comment?

You claimed three times (and boasted of the fact that you said it three times) that UAE had not tweaked Del Toro's bike to get the best performance from it. I asked whether you knew that, or were simply repeating your guesswork.

I'll answer your question: no point, just a question.

Will you answer mine?

 

[Brullnux]

Roglic crashes in recon: "hahaha what an idiot"

Roglic doesn't crash in TT: "what an idiot he should have just cornered faster"

I think time supported his approach. The top five in GC all had to slow down significantly at the end, whereas Roglic had it better there but possibly a bit worse at the start.

 

[SafeBet]

The Vuelta win was a long time ago. A few times he looked really good early in the Giro then had issues sometimes with illness or crashes or simply bad days.

But once looked gold in the third week and ended up on the podium. We really have no idea with him.

 

[Cycling111]

Gee the big winner and Carapaz the big loser today.

In the end, Sienna's victims benefited today because they had a drier the first section.

Storer was the only one who didn't recover time.
He´s to get into a break.

 

[Boehmand]

Tomorrow is interesting, the big climb is early, but it's not exactly easy to get back after, it's up and down all the way.

I think a lot of heavier riders will want to get out in front early, to have a (slight) chance of surviving San Pellegrino so they can be there for their GC guys after (or even go for the stage win, last climb is only 5.8 %), and I think that includes Lidl who I would otherwise peg to keep everything reined in until the sprint 45K into the stage - but if they do that they risk Ciccone being completely isolated for the last 100K of the stage.

If I am right, we could see a huge break forming early, and UAE/Bora having to decide if they want to work to keep them close (so they can drop them on San Pellegrino), or let them go to save firepower for the climbs.

Lidl, Visma, Ineos, EF, Israel, Tudor and Jayco could all want the early break, with several puncheur type riders.

 

[HashRouge]

What would people say are the remaining "must watch" stages? I'm trying to plan my life around when I need to watch the Giro!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Tomorrow is interesting, the big climb is early, but it's not exactly easy to get back after, it's up and down all the way.

I think a lot of heavier riders will want to get out in front early, to have a (slight) chance of surviving San Pellegrino so they can be there for their GC guys after, and I think that includes Lidl who I would otherwise peg to keep everything reined in until the sprint 45K into the stage - but if they do that they risk Ciccone being completely isolated for the last 100K of the stage.

If I am right, we could see a huge break forming early, and UAE/Bora having to decide if they want to work to keep them close (so they can drop them on San Pellegrino), or let them go to save firepower for the climbs.

Lidl, Visma, Ineos, EF, Israel, Tudor and Jayco could all want the early break, with several puncheur type riders.

Why would UAE/Bora try to drop Lidl domestiques on San Pellegrino though? I would suspect they just want to get through the day since the stage isn‘t that good for attacks.

 

[Netserk]

14	GEE Derek	Israel - Premier Tech	1:00
15	POOLE Max	Team Picnic PostNL	1:04
17	ROGLIČ Primož	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe	1:15
21	ARENSMAN Thymen	INEOS Grenadiers	1:28
22	AYUSO Juan	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	1:34
23	YATES Simon	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	1:43
26	TIBERI Antonio	Bahrain - Victorious	1:53
27	CARUSO Damiano	Bahrain - Victorious	1:54
37	DEL TORO Isaac	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:22
38	MCNULTY Brandon	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:23
41	YATES Adam	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:27
47	STORER Michael	Tudor Pro Cycling Team	2:33
57	CICCONE Giulio	Lidl - Trek	2:48
59	CARAPAZ Richard	EF Education - EasyPost	2:52
64	BERNAL Egan	INEOS Grenadiers	2:58

 

[Monsi]

What would people say are the remaining "must watch" stages? I'm trying to plan my life around when I need to watch the Giro!

Stage 16, 19, and 20 for some GC action. 11, 15, and 17 for some breakaway stages. Those GC stages I mentioned can also go to the break.

 

[Boehmand]

Why would UAE/Bora try to drop Lidl domestiques on San Pellegrino though? I would suspect they just want to get through the day since the stage isn‘t that good for attacks.

Because you don't want GC candidates having doms so far out in front, that it becomes feasible for a rival to reach them and stay away till the end.

This CAN be a GC stage if you mess it up, it's been seen before on this type of profile.

 

[theyoungest]

Ayuso had better conditions in the middle, on the descent as well.

No one in the top 10 gets to really play the "other guys had better conditions" card.

I know you're a fan but it's quite clear Roglic had the best conditions of these guys. The others finished in pouring rain! A bit of realism can't hurt.

 

[Mayomaniac]

What would people say are the remaining "must watch" stages? I'm trying to plan my life around when I need to watch the Giro!

Stage 16 and the Finestre stage.

 

[Mayomaniac]

14	GEE Derek	Israel - Premier Tech	1:00
15	POOLE Max	Team Picnic PostNL	1:04
17	ROGLIČ Primož	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe	1:15
21	ARENSMAN Thymen	INEOS Grenadiers	1:28
22	AYUSO Juan	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	1:34
23	YATES Simon	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	1:43
26	TIBERI Antonio	Bahrain - Victorious	1:53
27	CARUSO Damiano	Bahrain - Victorious	1:54
37	DEL TORO Isaac	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:22
38	MCNULTY Brandon	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:23
41	YATES Adam	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	2:27
47	STORER Michael	Tudor Pro Cycling Team	2:33
57	CICCONE Giulio	Lidl - Trek	2:48
59	CARAPAZ Richard	EF Education - EasyPost	2:52
64	BERNAL Egan	INEOS Grenadiers	2:58

You forgot Pellizzari who finished 36th (actually not bad for him).

 

[theyoungest]

But once looked gold in the third week and ended up on the podium. We really have no idea with him.

The only guy where you can more or less safely say that he's not going to crack completely is Roglic (watch him do just that after I said this). Del Toro, Ayuso, Tiberi, Yates... I wouldn't bet on any of them. It would be fun to see Yates' revenge on Finestre though.

 

[topcat]

Caruso is 1 second behind Gee. Caruso will probably have to ride for Tiberi but otherwise he would soundly trounce Gee.

 

[Red Rick]

Simon Yates is 4th in GC. That means one thing.

There is still the possibility, that 2 weeks from now we can say that Simon Yates lost the Giro due to selfish Wout van Aert.