Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2025 stage 20: Verrès – Sestrière, 205 km

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solo80k

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Like this is fairly obviously not true lol. They had no reason to let Yates go when they did, but they chose to because IDT only wanted to close Carapaz. Then they almost closed 45+ on Yates but IDT still did nothing in that so Carapaz sat back off and tried to let the gap go big enough that IDT might do something. Then he still did nothing and that was that.

IDT raced Carapaz, Carapaz raced IDT, and Yates won because he had good legs, a team plan and fortune on his side.
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It looked like this for a first few kilometers but I don't fully agree. IDT wasn't able to pace much faster- he tried to go faster on the gravel section and was almost instantly in the red zone. Carapaz wasn't able to shake off Del Toro but wasn't able to close the gap too. They were constantly shipping time, unable to recover and respond.

They weren't cooperating and that's why they were out of control in the middle of Finestre but they would lose anyway.

Del Toro was able to catch the Yates once or twice but he would be eventually dropped anyway in the second half of Finestre.
 
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Rou said:
They dropped Simon multiple times whenever they tried.
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Yates has no punch, that is to be expected. They took no time back when riding at tempo, and in fact lost time (even at the start of the climb, post attack).
 
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solo80k said:
It looked like this for a first few kilometers but I don't fully agree. IDT wasn't able to pace much faster- he tried to go faster on the gravel section and was almost instantly in the red zone. Carapaz wasn't able to shake off Del Toro but wasn't able to close the gap too. They were constantly shipping time, unable to recover and respond.

They weren't cooperating and that's why they were out of control in the middle of Finestre but they would lose anyway.

Del Toro was able to catch the Yates once or twice but he would be eventually dropped anyway in the second half of Finestre.
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this
 
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Jesper Mørkøv reminding Mielke in the post-stage interview, that when he guested his podcast pre-Giro, his guess for the final GC was Roglic-Ayuso-Yates, so he believed in Yates all the way :)
 
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Yates has no punch, that is to be expected. They took no time back when riding at tempo, and in fact lost time (even at the start of the climb, post attack).
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Maybe you watched a different race but they weren't riding to catch Yates. Everytime Carapaz attacked he was closing 30s to Yates but was stopping because he couldn't drop del Toro.
 
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It's karma anyway when you hear commentators (Carlton Kirby eh) going on about 'Latin America uniting and joining forces to chase down Yates' like this is Eurovision song contest or something and people vote for their neighbor.

No way. And the exact opposite happened here and they squabbled and fell out.

Also, the climb really suited Yates. That steady long grind at the exact same tempo from start to finish. He also attacked them several times before gaining separation. He was the strongest and he had Van Aert to hammer the final nail in their coffin as well.
 
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Well Carapaz did nearly blow entirely near the end of the Finestre riding his tail off to drop del Toro and catch Yates. When he clearly was doing neither, and nearly took himself out, that's when he just sat on del Toro's wheel. So you saw flat out racing from one of the two until he had nothing left. It is just that happened before the final climb
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Oh yeah, didn't mean to mislead, I REALLY appreciated what Carapaz tried to do today, he was all in early on. For me it the valley, as Sean Kelly basically stated, even the juniors know there is one tactic there, and if you want to win it's team time trialing to shut down Yates, THEN worry about each other.
 
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Rackham said:
It's karma anyway when you hear commentators (Carlton Kirby eh) going on about 'Latin America uniting and joining forces to chase down Yates' like this is Eurovision song contest or something and people vote for their neighbor.

No way. And the exact opposite happened here and they squabbled and fell out.

Also, the climb really suited Yates. That steady long grind at the exact same tempo from start to finish. He also attacked them several times before gaining separation. He was the strongest and he had Van Aert to hammer the final nail in their coffin as well.
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Calton Kirby should watch more South American football
 
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Brullnux

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Rou said:
Maybe you watched a different race but they weren't riding to catch Yates. Everytime Carapaz attacked he was closing 30s to Yates but was stopping because he couldn't drop del Toro.
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Apologies, but do you understand how cycling works?
 
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Apologies, but do you understand how cycling works?
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I do. That's why I know that with negative racing and poor tactics the strongest rider can lose. Or you think that Carapaz and del Toro were not soft pedalling and Gee was at their level?
 
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