Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2025 stage 20: Verrès – Sestrière, 205 km

[Brullnux]

Carapaz said in the interview that he and del Toro were the strongest today but Simon was the smartest. I think that was obvious for everyone.

I don't think that's obvious at all – and obviously Carapaz would say that

 

[Ripper]

2024 Tour de France Femmes for sure. Worst I've ever seen. Crash your own team leader out while she's supposed to be leading out a sprint, then let the sprinter - who crashed her out - ride off saying "I saw something yellow on the floor" for the glory of 8th place in the stage while abandoning the maillot jaune, then have the only rider who drops back to her contribute to the leadout first so she's toasted by the time the maillot jaune catches her... then offer zero support in the mountains and lose the GC by four seconds.

Yup. That was just the worst team riding ever.

 

[pelotonIQ]

I also believe that if you split open the race and start attacking from the bottom, you have no right to demand Toro to take turns. Carapaz is a funny guy.

 

[Red Rick]

Carapaz said in the interview that he and del Toro were the strongest today but Simon was the smartest. I think that was obvious for everyone.

Him and Del Toro being stronger than Yates wasn't exactly made obvious today

 

[YavorD]

Carapaz said in the interview that he and del Toro were the strongest today but Simon was the smartest. I think that was obvious for everyone.

I think it was obvious that Simon was the strongest.
You don't build such a gap if you're not the strongest.

 

[nightowl]

Carapaz said in the interview that he and del Toro were the strongest today but Simon was the smartest. I think that was obvious for everyone.

I think that’s just cope, if he was stronger he would’ve been able to close Yates on the climb

 

[Rou]

I think that’s just cope, if he was stronger he would’ve been able to close Yates on the climb

They dropped Simon multiple times whenever they tried.

 

[Tim Cahill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928823018551128225

Carapaz's anger at Del Toro: "He lost the Giro, he didn't know how to race well."

The inquest has started

 

[solo80k]

Like this is fairly obviously not true lol. They had no reason to let Yates go when they did, but they chose to because IDT only wanted to close Carapaz. Then they almost closed 45+ on Yates but IDT still did nothing in that so Carapaz sat back off and tried to let the gap go big enough that IDT might do something. Then he still did nothing and that was that.

IDT raced Carapaz, Carapaz raced IDT, and Yates won because he had good legs, a team plan and fortune on his side.

It looked like this for a first few kilometers but I don't fully agree. IDT wasn't able to pace much faster- he tried to go faster on the gravel section and was almost instantly in the red zone. Carapaz wasn't able to shake off Del Toro but wasn't able to close the gap too. They were constantly shipping time, unable to recover and respond.

They weren't cooperating and that's why they were out of control in the middle of Finestre but they would lose anyway.

Del Toro was able to catch the Yates once or twice but he would be eventually dropped anyway in the second half of Finestre.

 

[kingjr]

They dropped Simon multiple times whenever they tried.

It's about staying away. Even Marcel Kittel can drop Simon Yates for 100 meters on Finestre.

 

[Brullnux]

They dropped Simon multiple times whenever they tried.

Yates has no punch, that is to be expected. They took no time back when riding at tempo, and in fact lost time (even at the start of the climb, post attack).

 

[kingjr]

It looked like this for a first few kilometers but I don't fully agree. IDT wasn't able to pace much faster- he tried to go faster on the gravel section and was almost instantly in the red zone. Carapaz wasn't able to shake off Del Toro but wasn't able to close the gap too. They were constantly shipping time, unable to recover and respond.

They weren't cooperating and that's why they were out of control in the middle of Finestre but they would lose anyway.

Del Toro was able to catch the Yates once or twice but he would be eventually dropped anyway in the second half of Finestre.

this

 

[Boehmand]

Jesper Mørkøv reminding Mielke in the post-stage interview, that when he guested his podcast pre-Giro, his guess for the final GC was Roglic-Ayuso-Yates, so he believed in Yates all the way

 

[Rou]

Yates has no punch, that is to be expected. They took no time back when riding at tempo, and in fact lost time (even at the start of the climb, post attack).

Maybe you watched a different race but they weren't riding to catch Yates. Everytime Carapaz attacked he was closing 30s to Yates but was stopping because he couldn't drop del Toro.

 

[ice&fire]

I think that’s just cope, if he was stronger he would’ve been able to close Yates on the climb

His top priority was dropping del Toro, which he couldn't do it. Riding with del Toro up to Yates was out of the question.

 

[fenns]

I'd say the CG podium guys all got what they deserved

 

[Rackham]

It's karma anyway when you hear commentators (Carlton Kirby eh) going on about 'Latin America uniting and joining forces to chase down Yates' like this is Eurovision song contest or something and people vote for their neighbor.

No way. And the exact opposite happened here and they squabbled and fell out.

Also, the climb really suited Yates. That steady long grind at the exact same tempo from start to finish. He also attacked them several times before gaining separation. He was the strongest and he had Van Aert to hammer the final nail in their coffin as well.

 

[Red Rick]

They dropped Simon multiple times whenever they tried.

On 8 minute meme climbs with 30s 800 watts attacks at the end.

 

[Froome]

Carapaz said in the interview that he and del Toro were the strongest today but Simon was the smartest. I think that was obvious for everyone.

Actually at least today, Yates was the strongest.

They couldn't barely take time on Yates in the final kilometers of the climb. Yates broke the record of finestre.

 

[dobrien]

Well Carapaz did nearly blow entirely near the end of the Finestre riding his tail off to drop del Toro and catch Yates. When he clearly was doing neither, and nearly took himself out, that's when he just sat on del Toro's wheel. So you saw flat out racing from one of the two until he had nothing left. It is just that happened before the final climb

Oh yeah, didn't mean to mislead, I REALLY appreciated what Carapaz tried to do today, he was all in early on. For me it the valley, as Sean Kelly basically stated, even the juniors know there is one tactic there, and if you want to win it's team time trialing to shut down Yates, THEN worry about each other.

 

[kingjr]

His top priority was dropping del Toro, which he couldn't do it. Riding with del Toro up to Yates was out of the question.

Why is that out of the question

 

[Red Rick]

It's karma anyway when you hear commentators (Carlton Kirby eh) going on about 'Latin America uniting and joining forces to chase down Yates' like this is Eurovision song contest or something and people vote for their neighbor.

No way. And the exact opposite happened here and they squabbled and fell out.

Also, the climb really suited Yates. That steady long grind at the exact same tempo from start to finish. He also attacked them several times before gaining separation. He was the strongest and he had Van Aert to hammer the final nail in their coffin as well.

Calton Kirby should watch more South American football

 

[Rou]

Dracula will be pulling Matxin by the invisible hair tonight.

 

[Brullnux]

Maybe you watched a different race but they weren't riding to catch Yates. Everytime Carapaz attacked he was closing 30s to Yates but was stopping because he couldn't drop del Toro.

Apologies, but do you understand how cycling works?

 

[SorelyBoy]

Best news we’ve had all year after the circus we’ve had to endure from UAE. Well done Simon and also Wout.