Giro doping 2017

[70kmph]

Fraile looked completely bogus...fakery is strong in this one

 

[staubsauger]

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Am I so jaded than when I saw the way TeeJay has been riding, he had the look of a completely clean rider?

I don't know about that, he was 5th on gc and one of the strongest riders in Romandie, probably the 2nd strongest right behind Richie and most of the early Giro stages weren't that hard to explain such a meltdown early on after a strong perfrmance in Romandie.
I still think something happened to him at the 2015 TdF when he had that massive meltdown, to me it looked like a bad blood bag.

Yeah, until that moment he certainly performed much better than in fact he is. Especially at the Dauphine already.

Since then, he's a complete shadow of his former self. He should at least be able to be 9th on gc.

 

[papisimo98]

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Am I so jaded than when I saw the way TeeJay has been riding, he had the look of a completely clean rider?

Been really wondering as to what is the problem. So glad this came up. Was thinking of starting a thread.
Maybe being a father of two kids has given him some perspective, is what came to mind. He has gone from having to hold up and wait for Cadel, to this.
People are bashing him, but ala Cunego, targeting one days and shorter stage races might be his future.
Falling off of a cliff like this makes me think he's gone cleans.

 

[May0maniac]

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Am I so jaded than when I saw the way TeeJay has been riding, he had the look of a completely clean rider?

I don't know about that, he was 5th on gc and one of the strongest riders in Romandie, probably the 2nd strongest right behind Richie and most of the early Giro stages weren't that hard to explain such a meltdown early on after a strong perfrmance in Romandie.
I still think something happened to him at the 2015 TdF when he had that massive meltdown, to me it looked like a bad blood bag.

Yeah, until that moment he certainly performed much better than in fact he is. Especially at the Dauphine already.

Since then, he's a complete shadow of his former self. He should at least be able to be 9th on gc.

Yes, back then it looked like he had taken it to the next level, he was also getting Froome-thin.

 

[kingjr]

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Fraile looked completely bogus...fakery is strong in this one

My thoughts too.

 

[Bolder]

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Fraile looked completely bogus...fakery is strong in this one

My thoughts too.

Animate the break, get dropped, catch up and outsprint, while holding off the peloton on a fairly hilly stage -- what's so odd about that?

 

[staubsauger]

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Fraile looked completely bogus...fakery is strong in this one

My thoughts too.

Animate the break, get dropped, catch up and outsprint, while holding off the peloton on a fairly hilly stage -- what's so odd about that?

Nothing as long as you're on CERA and riding for team Gerolsteiner. If not, wel, well ...

 

[Brullnux]

That was fast.

 

[spalco]

I'm really happy that there are a bunch of Austrians in visible roles in this Giro, but from a historical perspective it also makes me nervous.

Who knows what's real or not anymore, but I'm still hoping...

 

[staubsauger]

Glomser ain't got the controversy of Kohl, Totschnig & Trampusch tbh!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Fraile looked completely bogus...fakery is strong in this one

My thoughts too.

Animate the break, get dropped, catch up and outsprint, while holding off the peloton on a fairly hilly stage -- what's so odd about that?

Nothing as long as you're on CERA and riding for team Gerolsteiner. If not, wel, well ...

Idunno, de Bonis (the rider to whom you're obviously referring) was taken off the road by Gerolsteiner shortly after that because they thought he was too blatant. Which, for a team with Schumacher, Rebellin and Kohl, means he really was too blatant.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Very even performances, a race of attrition, riders visibly getting spent and having close to no matches to burn. By the looks of it, much more 'clean' than the clinic would want us to believe.

 

[meat puppet]

A valid observation. On the other hand, there were the blockhaus and oropa climbs with high outputs. Also the last 5-6 stages are a brutal combo.

 

[Red Rick]

Must be tempting to use that blood bag now.

 

[Benotti69]

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Very even performances, a race of attrition, riders visibly getting spent and having close to no matches to burn. By the looks of it, much more 'clean' than the clinic would want us to believe.

Much more clean or cleanER means little. Once you dope, it is doping.

How would we know what a clean, much more clean or cleanER race looked like since they dope, they have always doped and will always dope?

 

[BullsFan22]

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Must be tempting to use that blood bag now.

Which one will take the greater risk by taking just a bit more? The GC men all looked tired today. Wonder who who will be 'tempted' to use a blood bag.

 

[MightyWheelSucker]

Pinot beating GC contenders two times in a row has to mean either that finally we have clean racing and Clinic forum can be officially closed or that he is more talented and training harder than dopers.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Pinot beating GC contenders two times in a row has to mean either that finally we have clean racing and Clinic forum can be officially closed or that he is more talented and training harder than dopers.

so true

 

[Craigee]

We will see who has the best doctors the last two days. Most likely Nibali.

 

[ppanther92]

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I'm really happy that there are a bunch of Austrians in visible roles in this Giro, but from a historical perspective it also makes me nervous.

Who knows what's real or not anymore, but I'm still hoping...

Meh, Pöstlberger two times on the podium is certainly a surprise, but he always was a strong roleur. Konrad even underperformed a bit i would say (definitely would see him on par with Hirt and Reichenbach) but is still doing well.

Preidler is and was always a good rider butwith working for TD he won't finish around his usual 30th place and couldn't go in to breaks obviously.

Großschartner and Mühlberger didn't really shine at all. Even though Mühlberger was Konrads best mountian domestique.

 

[staubsauger]

Pinot beating GC contenders two times in a row has to mean either that finally we have clean racing and Clinic forum can be officially closed or that he is more talented and training harder than dopers.

so true

He's not riding for Casino-Ag2r so it has to be true! :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

Pinot beating GC contenders two times in a row has to mean either that finally we have clean racing and Clinic forum can be officially closed or that he is more talented and training harder than dopers.

Marc Madiot FDJ, his boss, has history.

 

[therealthing]

Disappointing that Gazprom haven't gone full nuclear on one stage. You'd be forgiven for thinking that they aren't even in the race.

 

[budegan]

I appreciate this is off topic but I really don't know where to otherwise put it.

I see that the Giro coverage features access to rider's power data.

What is the Clinic's take on this? Eg is it the end of motors?

 

[ppanther92]

I appreciate this is off topic but I really don't know where to otherwise put it.

I see that the Giro coverage features access to rider's power data.

What is the Clinic's take on this? Eg is it the end of motors?

As far as i have seen it only works pretty unreliable.