Giro Stage 10 Civitanova Marche - Forli 200km

[mrhender]

There is no time nor will -or possibility to communicate and execute a full stop with 5Km to go and sprinter teams drilling it....

Simples....

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Boem got 74 pts today and now leads the points comp with 98 pts

Greipel could have had a big lead if the break had been caught - now 2nd on 85

Viviani got nothing today and remains on 78

 

[ILovecycling]

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Ryo once said Contador is a coward. He's not a contador fan at all.

He'll hate him in july when contador crushed his colombian boy.

Thats not realistic, he cant 'crush' Quintana.He can beat him,maybe, that would be enough

 

[BigMac]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. It's perfectly possible to wait for contenders in certain cases, such as today, and still not have the whole practice of it being an exaggeration. Sprinters' or GC team riding at the front, it produces and unfair outcome either way. I'll have to respect your position though.

 

[Arredondo]

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Ryo once said Contador is a coward. He's not a contador fan at all.

He'll hate him in july when contador crushed his colombian boy.

Thats not realistic, he cant 'crush' Quintana.He can beat him,maybe, that would be enough

This Giro will get him into top shape. He will crush the opposition by several minutes in July

 

[veji11]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. It's perfectly possible to wait for contenders in certain cases, such as today, and still not have the whole practice of it being an exaggeration. Sprinters' or GC team riding at the front, it produces and unfair outcome either way. I'll have to respect your position though.

Man this is beyond absurd.. the GC riders are not the be all of the race, all actors shouldn't just bow to their grandeur and wait for them when they have a problem. Stuff happens in road cycling, it has always happened and always will, GTs were lost or won on a badly time puncture, a fall, a momentary coalition of ennemies taking advantage of a situation, etc.... If you want road racing to be linear well just watch competitive swimming.

 

[Sasquatch]

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Boem got 74 pts today and now leads the points comp with 98 pts

Greipel could have had a big lead if the break had been caught - now 2nd on 85

Viviani got nothing today and remains on 78

Greipel doesn't care about it. He will be withdrawing following Friday's stage.

 

[Angliru]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

I'm giddy whenever Sky's dastardly plan of world domination is spoiled.

 

[TheQuick]

There was foul play by the other teams, the other teams cars stayed behind Richie so they could get no motorpace help.

 

[The Hitch]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

Not really telling. If you are a real fan, ie desperately want the guy to win, then you're going to be happy when something happens that makes that more likely. Even if that something is an opponent having bad luck. Cycling fans should freely show the schadenfreude instead of pretending to be oh so noble.

He is just looking for somebody to blame. Contador and Aru didn't actually send their teams to the front so he can't blame them. The sprinters teams don't give a *** so he can't blame then. People in the forum it is.

Its unfortunate what happened to Porte. If his aim was to take 1-2 mins in the tt and then defend that 1-2 mins in the mountains then his Giro winning strategy might very well be screwed. But he does still have chances to take back time (if he's in 2013 form in the mountains, who can stop him?) and who knows, maybe Contador and Aru will have bad luck as well. Also arguably Contador has it worse anyway since imo Contador would in a heartbeat trade 45 seconds, for not having the injury.

 

[red_flanders]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. It's perfectly possible to wait for contenders in certain cases, such as today, and still not have the whole practice of it being an exaggeration. Sprinters' or GC team riding at the front, it produces and unfair outcome either way. I'll have to respect your position though.

Of course it's possible, but it's bike racing. People crash. People lose time. Teams with no interest in the GC can't fix everything so the GC battle is as "fair" as possible. They have no interest in Porte's race whatsoever, it's not a consideration.

Porte is going to have to find a way.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Sorry to see Porte lose time. I don't like GC contenders losing time due to mechanicals.

However:
1) There shouldn't have been any waiting for him
2) There were possibilities that he could have minimized the time gap by eg a bike swap or other different approach.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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Boem got 74 pts today and now leads the points comp with 98 pts

Greipel could have had a big lead if the break had been caught - now 2nd on 85

Viviani got nothing today and remains on 78

Greipel doesn't care about it. He will be withdrawing following Friday's stage.

I know he doesn't have it as a primary objective but a couple of weeks back he said he wouldn't quit the race if he was in the red jersey http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/greipel-im-not-looking-at-the-giro-ditalia-route-book

 

[The Hitch]

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Contador : no ha sido Un dia tranquilo. Habia mucha tension.

I wonder when in this Giro 'habra ninguna tension' ...probably Milano

at the summit of Mortirolo

why? because everyone will be a minute behind Contador?

With that descent

 

[BigMac]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. It's perfectly possible to wait for contenders in certain cases, such as today, and still not have the whole practice of it being an exaggeration. Sprinters' or GC team riding at the front, it produces and unfair outcome either way. I'll have to respect your position though.

Man this is beyond absurd.. the GC riders are not the be all of the race, all actors shouldn't just bow to their grandeur and wait for them when they have a problem. Stuff happens in road cycling, it has always happened and always will, GTs were lost or won on a badly time puncture, a fall, a momentary coalition of ennemies taking advantage of a situation, etc.... If you want road racing to be linear well just watch competitive swimming.

I'm one of the last persons in this forum whom you will see claiming GC riders to be the be all of the race. I think you misundertood me there or didn't read some of my previous posts. In no way would I be against teams pulling at the front here if it was to have a positive outcome for them, such as wining the stage. It's my perception that at that point teams knew the break was going to take it, or something very unordinary had to happen for them to be catched. It is, what did those teams had to gain that was of more importance than Porte losing time today? A 5th place? In any case, that placement was there to be contested once they reached the line.

 

[frenchfry]

If Sky wasn't so occupied in insulting us with their marginal gains bs I might feel a bit more sorry when their equipment fails and they lose time.

Any anyways, I think this is a race, so why should anyone wait? Heck, even on group rides we don't always wait for flats.

 

[red_flanders]

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I'm one of the last persons in this forum whom you will see claiming GC riders to be the be all of the race. I think you misundertood me there or didn't read some of my previous posts. In no way would I be against teams pulling at the front here if it was to have a positive outcome for them, such as wining the stage. It's my perception that at that point teams knew the break was going to take it, or something very unordinary had to happen for them to be catched. It is, what did those teams had to gain that was of more importance than Porte losing time today? A 5th place? In any case, that placement was there to be contested once they reached the line.

Of more importance to whom? The sprinter teams simply do not factor in Porte's race to what they are doing. To do so would be foolish, and really quite pointless.

I don't like seeing GC riders lose time to injury or mechanicals either. But that is part of bike racing. The randomness, the painful chances lost. It is part of the drama and the tradition. It's part of what makes the sport great.

There is way, way too much expectation of predictability in stage racing since the advent of the Blue Train and subsequent teams who expend massive effort to control stage racing.

Celebrate the random and the painful. It is what cycling is about.

 

[Eagle]

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There was foul play by the other teams, the other teams cars stayed behind Richie so they could get no motorpace help.

The cars did pass him

 

[veji11]

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I'm one of the last persons in this forum whom you will see claiming GC riders to be the be all of the race. I think you misundertood me there or didn't read some of my previous posts. In no way would I be against teams pulling at the front here if it was to have a positive outcome for them, such as wining the stage. It's my perception that at that point teams knew the break was going to take it, or something very unordinary had to happen for them to be catched. It is, what did those teams had to gain that was of more importance than Porte losing time today? A 5th place? In any case, that placement was there to be contested once they reached the line.

I can understant why you would think that, but as a sprinter's team, when you are in a bunch, you just go for it. Sure it's better to win the stage than to win a sprint for 3rd or 5th place, but there is a matter of dominance over the other sprinters, of jersey points, etc... you just go for it. And until the breakaway had won it (and the peloton was already at the 400m banner then) there was always the possibility that the blow it, just start observing each other, and that you can swallow them up. There was just NO way under those circumstances that the peloton wait for Porte, it's just the way it is.

 

[Bushman]

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A big at the sprinters' team. They knew they weren't going to catch the break yet kept drilling at the front. I very much doutbt they didn't know about Porte.

edit: wasn't it a mechanical for Porte?

Don't forget that teams like Trek has nothing else to do than secure the points jersey (For Nizzolo) in this Giro. They had an incentive to make a leadout for him. Bad luck for Porte but you cannot blame the peloton for keeping the pace high. Atleast it wasn't Astana or Tinkoff-Saxo that went on the front

Well, no one starts a lead out that far away from the line - what was it, 5 kilometers? Not to mention Trek only came in strong in the finishing straight. I'll have to rewatch it, but at the moment I don't think there's any excuse for the sprinters' teams brain fart here. So much for the fair play.

Of course they are not gonna stop chasing with 5 k to go. If the break starts messing about with a couple of K's to go, suddenly 30 seconds advantage is nothing.

 

[Electress]

I'd be surprised if the sprinters' teams even knew Porte was dropped. Why would it be a priority for them at that moment? Meant absolutely nothing to them; they weren't watching him, they were focused on what they were doing and turning around 60 kph of forward momentum somewhat unlikely.

 

[HiroAntagonist]

Maybe blaming Porte and his team instead of the rest of the peloton and thier support staff might be more conducive. The timing of the mechanical was unfortunate, but it happens. Dry your tears sensitive souls ;-)

 

[JRanton]

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Lol, it is ridiculous to suggest that other teams should wait for him. It is clear that he was struggling really hard and punctures tend to happen when you feel weak.

Nice trolling.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. It's perfectly possible to wait for contenders in certain cases, such as today, and still not have the whole practice of it being an exaggeration. Sprinters' or GC team riding at the front, it produces and unfair outcome either way. I'll have to respect your position though.

Man this is beyond absurd.. the GC riders are not the be all of the race, all actors shouldn't just bow to their grandeur and wait for them when they have a problem. Stuff happens in road cycling, it has always happened and always will, GTs were lost or won on a badly time puncture, a fall, a momentary coalition of ennemies taking advantage of a situation, etc.... If you want road racing to be linear well just watch competitive swimming.

I'm one of the last persons in this forum whom you will see claiming GC riders to be the be all of the race. I think you misundertood me there or didn't read some of my previous posts. In no way would I be against teams pulling at the front here if it was to have a positive outcome for them, such as wining the stage. It's my perception that at that point teams knew the break was going to take it, or something very unordinary had to happen for them to be catched. It is, what did those teams had to gain that was of more importance than Porte losing time today? A 5th place? In any case, that placement was there to be contested once they reached the line.

The points classification doesn't count as being an integral part to the race then? A leadout for 5th place is not without value in a Giro with such few sprint stages. Even Greipel sprinted, that should be enough of sign that the sprinter's teams have other agendas than just to spoil Richie's Giro

 

[JRanton]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

Not surprising when their hero is a cheat and a complete fraud.