Giro Stage 10 Civitanova Marche - Forli 200km

[Swifty's Cakes]

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This is Saint-Amand-Monrond déjà vu, only Porte didn't ever do anything to deserve this, and sprinter's teams are to blame. I bet Contador doesn't find this right himself.

favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Yes, let's be happy Porte lost time, regardless the likely unfairness in it. Talk about hatred clouded judgement.

amazing/əˈmeɪzɪŋ/
adjective
causing great surprise or wonder

Porte losing nearly a minute on a pan flat stage is a great surprise. Not sure why you are taking Ryo's comments as an expression of pleasure.

 

[Eshnar]

The California is in another thread.

 

[burning]

Lol, it is ridiculous to suggest that other teams should wait for him. It is clear that he was struggling really hard and punctures tend to happen when you feel weak.

 

[rune1107]

Although Richie was unlucky, he messed up himself. According to Tinkoff-Saxo DS Lars Michaelsen he stopped in the left side of the road where the car couldn't see him. The team wasn't ready to help him, and a lot of riders stayed in the peloton instead of dropping back..

 

[kenk09]

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This is Saint-Amand-Monrond déjà vu, only Porte didn't ever do anything to deserve this, and sprinter's teams are to blame. I bet Contador doesn't find this right himself.

favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Yes, let's be happy Porte lost time, regardless the likely unfairness in it. Talk about hatred clouded judgement.

amazing/əˈmeɪzɪŋ/
adjective
causing great surprise or wonder

Porte losing nearly a minute on a pan flat stage is a great surprise. Not sure why you are taking Ryo's comments as an expression of pleasure.

because that isn't ryo's first ever post

 

[gunara]

Are sprinters' team obliged to care that much about GC's business? Especially since the one with misfortune is not even in the leader's jersey? Do they slow down when other sprinter - their direct rival - has bad luck? Can they slow down when they care about leading out for minor placings? Help me, seriously, pro cycling ethics are so hard to learn about

 

[kenk09]

It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

 

[ILovecycling]

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favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Nice to see you celebrating your favourite cyclist's rivals' bad luck. Hope you're equally happy when Contador gets his piece of bad luck

Why do you assume he is a Contador fan?

Because I've seen him defend Contador before

That doesnt necessarily make him AC fan (he is not btw)

 

[sultanofhyd]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

Again? Last time it happened was 5 years ago.

 

[kenk09]

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Are sprinters' team obliged to care that much about GC's business? Especially since the one with misfortune is not even in the leader's jersey? Do they slow down when other sprinter - their direct rival - has bad luck? Can they slow down when they care about leading out for minor placings? Help me, seriously, pro cycling ethics are so hard to learn about

No, nobody needed to slow down.

 

[BigMac]

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This is Saint-Amand-Monrond déjà vu, only Porte didn't ever do anything to deserve this, and sprinter's teams are to blame. I bet Contador doesn't find this right himself.

favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Yes, let's be happy Porte lost time, regardless the likely unfairness in it. Talk about hatred clouded judgement.

I do recall Sky hammering on the front when the yellow jersey wearing Valverde took a fall. It's called karma. Of course you being the most impartial person in the cn forum, wouldn't see that as unfair or unsportsmanlike.

I might have had impartial views on subjects regarding one rider. I'm the most impartial person in here. You check that logic. In any case, I invite you to give examples of this.

Sorry, what is unfair? Is the peloton supposed to wait not only for the leader (I would not expect them to in this situation) but every possible GC contender? That can't be it, so I don't get what's unfair.

I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

This is Saint-Amand-Monrond déjà vu, only Porte didn't ever do anything to deserve this, and sprinter's teams are to blame. I bet Contador doesn't find this right himself.

favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Yes, let's be happy Porte lost time, regardless the likely unfairness in it. Talk about hatred clouded judgement.

How is the saint armand-montrond comparable? Tinkoff-Saxo outsmarted SKY - that had nothing to with bad luck (except for Valverde ofc). Also, it's pretty common in modern cycling to start the lead out (or team trains) from far out - with the amount of flat stages, it's no wonder the sprinter's teams wants to gain points when they can, including positioning their sprinter in the best position.

Valverde is precisely who I'm talking about. I guess we can agree there were no leadouts until near the very end of the stage, that was pure mindless drilling. Not even a chase, as it was more than certain the break had it, cheers.

 

[Taxus4a]

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He didn't lose the time because of a mechanical, he lost the time because he didn't have a teammate alongside him to give up his bike. This time loss was entirely avoidable.

He need a teammate of his hight, but despite that in a bike change with tailwind at that speed is not possible to keep on the bunch. Really difficult, very bad luck, but worse is to have a bronquitis and take antibiotics, although that is maybe possible to avoid with an isolated motorhome, and maybe is Rigo s fault.

 

[Eagle]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

Can you show me some posts from these giddy Contador fans, I havent seen any

 

[The Hitch]

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favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Nice to see you celebrating your favourite cyclist's rivals' bad luck. Hope you're equally happy when Contador gets his piece of bad luck

Since when is Ryo a contador fan?

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

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This is Saint-Amand-Monrond déjà vu, only Porte didn't ever do anything to deserve this, and sprinter's teams are to blame. I bet Contador doesn't find this right himself.

favorites lose 18 seconds and porte 1:05. this is an amazing day.

Yes, let's be happy Porte lost time, regardless the likely unfairness in it. Talk about hatred clouded judgement.

amazing/əˈmeɪzɪŋ/
adjective
causing great surprise or wonder

Porte losing nearly a minute on a pan flat stage is a great surprise. Not sure why you are taking Ryo's comments as an expression of pleasure.

because that isn't ryo's first ever post

ok well FWIW I agree with him, it was an amazing day. It would also have been an amazing day if Aru or Contador had lost a minute.

 

[SeriousSam]

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It's quite telling how giddy the Contador fans are that he gained time via mechanical (again).

Not really telling. If you are a real fan, ie desperately want the guy to win, then you're going to be happy when something happens that makes that more likely. Even if that something is an opponent having bad luck. Cycling fans should freely show the schadenfreude instead of pretending to be oh so noble.

 

[carton]

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Sprinters' teams had absolutely nothing to gain, stage win was out of reach and they knew it. You could say they were aiming to get the remaining points on the line, but no one starts a leadout that far from the finish.

So utterly ridiculous. Nobody gave a darn about Porte. Everyone has goals in a GT, even the small teams, if you can imagine that. They're not just there to get to Milan and get a finisher's ribbon. Only team you can kind-off call out is EQS, and they seemed to have worked for all of 15 seconds, probably trying to place Boonen as they are consummate stage hunters.
Sucks that Porte lost time due to a mechanical. Personally thought Sky got the tactics all wrong, just have Richie swap bikes with someone (Henao seems like a close enough fit), getting back to the car was crazy, plus it seemed Porte was gassed from having ridden with a under-inflated tire for a while. Just do a bike swap ASAP. It's funny when it's not tragic when otherwise smart people get the simple things wrong.

 

[BigMac]

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still celebrating that win of craddock in california?

I loved it how Henao destroyed the field there. Not.

seems henao did a lot better than your friend craddock. I guess it's the last time you open your mouth with claims like these

Take note, I don't care if others are willing to keep up with your crap, I'm not. So direct your smugness and immoderate tone elsewhere.

Now, obey the mod and quit it.

 

[SeriousSam]

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probably trying to place Boonen as they are consummate stage hunters.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Contador : no ha sido Un dia tranquilo. Habia mucha tension.

I wonder when in this Giro 'habra ninguna tension' ...probably Milano

 

[Publicus]

Some really ridiculous standards being floated here. Porte got a mechanical in the last 5K of a stage. He wasn't sabrotaged or the victim of foul play. Since he hasn't gone in the red yet in this Giro(one of the hardest raced first weeks of a GT according to some veteran riders), getting back the time should be no problem for guy with the form he claims to have.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

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Contador : no ha sido Un dia tranquilo. Habia mucha tension.

I wonder when in this Giro 'habra ninguna tension' ...probably Milano

at the summit of Mortirolo

 

[ILovecycling]

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Contador : no ha sido Un dia tranquilo. Habia mucha tension.

I wonder when in this Giro 'habra ninguna tension' ...probably Milano

at the summit of Mortirolo

why? because everyone will be a minute behind Contador?

 

[red_flanders]

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I'ts called common sense and basic notions of fair play. What did they had to gain that outweighed what Porte had to lose? Absolutely nothing, because they had nothing to ride hard for at that moment.

What do the sprinter teams care about Porte? He has nothing to do with what they ride for. There is no fair play or decency involved. He's just a rider who was dropped.

This waiting stuff has long since jumped the shark. People just don't understand it, clearly. No one needed wait for Porte in that situation. No one needed wait for Contador, or rather the pink jersey in that situation.

Does anyone think Contador would be out of this race if he lost 45 seconds today? No. The only reason people are complaining is because they think Porte is now out of the race. Which simply means he was never in it. Anyway.

The sprint teams have absolutely no responsibility to wait for a dropped GC contender on a flat stage. In any situation. None.

 

[Miburo]

Ryo once said Contador is a coward. He's not a contador fan at all.

He'll hate him in july when contador crushed his colombian boy.