Teams & Riders Giulio Pellizzari: Super Sub

[CyclistAbi]

No, he is not.

Del Toro is leading races his team, as Giulio should to.

Del Toro is not allowed to finish ahead of Pogi. At RBH currently there are no such limitations regardless of the leader.

 

[Salvarani]

Del Toro is not allowed to finish ahead of Pogi. At RBH currently there are no such limitations regardless of the leader.

If he is stronger, he would.

Giulio not allowed to ride, while he is stronger.

Thats the difference. Nor is he getting the opportunity to lead the race from the beginning, as he should.

 

[AlfaLum]

If he is stronger, he would.

Giulio not allowed to ride, while he is stronger.

Thats the difference. Nor is he getting the opportunity to lead the race from the beginning, as he should.

Indeed. Pogacar is still much better than Del Toro. Roglic is not better than Pellizzari, big difference.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If he is stronger, he would.

Giulio not allowed to ride, while he is stronger.

Thats the difference. Nor is he getting the opportunity to lead the race from the beginning, as he should.

Indeed. Pogacar is still much better than Del Toro. Roglic is not better than Pellizzari, big difference.

So if Rogla will be better then Giulio, then no issues there? Until then and AFAIK Giulio is free. Del Toro isn't.

 

[Salvarani]

So if Rogla will be better then Giulio, then no issues there? Until then and AFAIK Giulio is free. Del Toro isn't.

Thats factually wrong, but think as you like.

 

[AlfaLum]

So if Rogla will be better then Giulio, then no issues there? Until then and AFAIK Giulio is free. Del Toro isn't.

If Primoz is better of course there is no problem. He is a big former champion that deserves support if he is still the best for his team in a race.

 

[Squire]

In the Giro he surely wasnt allowed to ride for himself until Roglic was out of the race. Today he didnt cooperate with Del Toro, while there was an opportunity to gain time on everyone else.

Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Del Toro is in much worse position ATM, at UAE, then Giulio is at RBH.

UAE have a very big ATM though, so I think Del Toro will be okay for the time being.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Samu Cuenca

Very big ATM indeed.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Some surprising takes here.

Pellizzari is close to being Red Bull best GC rider. Impressive improvements on the harder stages and TT for this natural Climber.

Red Bull should start allowing him to race for himself after he will prove again that he has surpassed Roglic.

I saw zero indication Pellizzari was working for Roglic today. He was clearly racing for himself.

Isn't that the case here and in the Giro?

Yes

Free Giulio

He is already free…

In the Giro he surely wasnt allowed to ride for himself until Roglic was out of the race. Today he didnt cooperate with Del Toro, while there was an opportunity to gain time on everyone else.

He didn’t cooperate with Del Toro in part because he was hanging on with two guys with better punch and proven off-road chops and Del Toro is the GC favorite now. It was smart not to cooperate.

No, he is not.

Del Toro is leading races for his team, as Giulio should to but he is not getting the opportunity.

Del Toro is the dom in most races, although Pogi is so good he hasn’t even needed him. I don’t think Pellizzari is actually serving as a dom anywhere.

Indeed. Pogacar is still much better than Del Toro. Roglic is not better than Pellizzari, big difference.

He was better today, sure, but I would not choose him over Roglic in a GT. Maybe that will change after the Giro. We’ll see. I’d love to see him hang with Vingegaard.

 

[Unchained]

Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.

He raced brilliantly today, and he was hyper aware of what he needed to do and executed. He did make a mistake by slowing so much at the finish, he thought like everyone else Del Toro was toast and was sitting up..slight miscalculation. He really looks great .

 

[Salvarani]

He is already free…

No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.

Del Toro is the dom in most races, although Pogi is so good he hasn’t even needed him. I don’t think Pellizzari is actually serving as a dom anywhere.

It is actually the complete opposite, as Del Toro has led 2/3 so far this season.

 

[CyclistAbi]

What is next guys? Giulio vs Isaac thread?

On who is free.

 

[Squire]

No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.

Today clearly not, and in Valencia he probably got the best result he could have gotten anyway. Don't think he would have beaten Almeida, and he clearly wasn't beating Evenepoel. If you're on a stacked team, you sometimes have better riders than yourself in the team. Price to pay for being on a good team. I don't see any evidence of him suffering particularly badly yet from not being free. He'll be 'official' co-leader at the Giro, and the other co-leader isn't looking stellar at the moment.

 

[hayneplane]

Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.

It could have been in his interest to keep the pace high and potentially gain another 8-10 seconds on GC rivals.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

#freeroglic

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.


It is actually the complete opposite, as Del Toro has led 2/3 so far this season.

This is the first race that actually matters this year and he is not a dom. Then he is racing the Giro as protected leader. What am I missing?

 

[Salvarani]

This is the first race that actually matters this year and he is not a dom. Then he is racing the Giro as protected leader. What am I missing?

A lot imo.

Super-sub, I want him to be starting up top.

 

[YavorD]

No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.

Pellizzari has been dom in one race so far.
He isn't a dom here, he won't be in the Giro.


edit: Unless Hindley fights for the win or he loses time early.

 

[Salvarani]

Pellizzari has been dom in one race so far.
He isn't a dom here, he won't be in the Giro.

Still want him to be getting more opportunities. Not being hindered.

Nothing wrong with that. I like him and think he is that good.

Hope he doesnt have to keep coming off the bench. Thats all.

So free Giulio!