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Salvarani

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CyclistAbi said:
Del Toro is not allowed to finish ahead of Pogi. At RBH currently there are no such limitations regardless of the leader.
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If he is stronger, he would.

Giulio not allowed to ride, while he is stronger.

Thats the difference. Nor is he getting the opportunity to lead the race from the beginning, as he should.
 
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Salvarani said:
If he is stronger, he would.

Giulio not allowed to ride, while he is stronger.

Thats the difference. Nor is he getting the opportunity to lead the race from the beginning, as he should.
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AlfaLum said:
Indeed. Pogacar is still much better than Del Toro. Roglic is not better than Pellizzari, big difference.
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So if Rogla will be better then Giulio, then no issues there? Until then and AFAIK Giulio is free. Del Toro isn't.
 
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AlfaLum said:
In the Giro he surely wasnt allowed to ride for himself until Roglic was out of the race. Today he didnt cooperate with Del Toro, while there was an opportunity to gain time on everyone else.
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Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.
 
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AlfaLum said:
Pellizzari is close to being Red Bull best GC rider. Impressive improvements on the harder stages and TT for this natural Climber.

Red Bull should start allowing him to race for himself after he will prove again that he has surpassed Roglic.
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I saw zero indication Pellizzari was working for Roglic today. He was clearly racing for himself.
Berniece said:
Isn't that the case here and in the Giro?
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Yes
Salvarani said:
Free Giulio
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He is already free…
AlfaLum said:
In the Giro he surely wasnt allowed to ride for himself until Roglic was out of the race. Today he didnt cooperate with Del Toro, while there was an opportunity to gain time on everyone else.
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He didn’t cooperate with Del Toro in part because he was hanging on with two guys with better punch and proven off-road chops and Del Toro is the GC favorite now. It was smart not to cooperate.
Salvarani said:
No, he is not.

Del Toro is leading races for his team, as Giulio should to but he is not getting the opportunity.
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Del Toro is the dom in most races, although Pogi is so good he hasn’t even needed him. I don’t think Pellizzari is actually serving as a dom anywhere.
AlfaLum said:
Indeed. Pogacar is still much better than Del Toro. Roglic is not better than Pellizzari, big difference.
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He was better today, sure, but I would not choose him over Roglic in a GT. Maybe that will change after the Giro. We’ll see. I’d love to see him hang with Vingegaard.
 
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Squire said:
Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.
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He raced brilliantly today, and he was hyper aware of what he needed to do and executed. He did make a mistake by slowing so much at the finish, he thought like everyone else Del Toro was toast and was sitting up..slight miscalculation. He really looks great .
 
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Salvarani said:
No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.
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Today clearly not, and in Valencia he probably got the best result he could have gotten anyway. Don't think he would have beaten Almeida, and he clearly wasn't beating Evenepoel. If you're on a stacked team, you sometimes have better riders than yourself in the team. Price to pay for being on a good team. I don't see any evidence of him suffering particularly badly yet from not being free. He'll be 'official' co-leader at the Giro, and the other co-leader isn't looking stellar at the moment.
 
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Squire said:
Almost got a stage win, distanced everyone except Del Toro. Surely the maximum he could have gotten out of the race? I don't really value taking pulls just to look more manly when he's the weakest in the group.
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It could have been in his interest to keep the pace high and potentially gain another 8-10 seconds on GC rivals.
 
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Salvarani said:
No, he is dom in almost every race starting out thus far.


It is actually the complete opposite, as Del Toro has led 2/3 so far this season.
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This is the first race that actually matters this year and he is not a dom. Then he is racing the Giro as protected leader. What am I missing?
 
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YavorD said:
Pellizzari has been dom in one race so far.
He isn't a dom here, he won't be in the Giro.
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Still want him to be getting more opportunities. Not being hindered.

Nothing wrong with that. I like him and think he is that good.

Hope he doesnt have to keep coming off the bench. Thats all.

So free Giulio!
 
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Salvarani said:
Still want him to be getting more opportunities. Not being hindered.

Nothing wrong with that. I like him and think he is that good.

Hope he doesnt have to keep coming off the bench. Thats all.

So free Giulio!
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He is going to get more opportunities if he proves to be good enough, they are not hindering him.
If he podiums the Giro, he is getting a protected role in the Vuelta as well. What more does he need?


Now with Evenepoel/Lipo the balance is similar to what Del Toro has in UAE.
 
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Salvarani

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YavorD said:
He is going to get more opportunities if he proves to be good enough, they are not hindering him.
If he podiums the Giro, he is getting a protected role in the Vuelta as well. What more does he need?
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He should be leading more stage-races as he is the best one they got. IMO.

Sue me for rating him highly.
 
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Salvarani said:
He should be leading more stage-races as he is the best one they got. IMO.

Sue me for rating him highly.
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To be honest putting him as a protected rider is actually better for him IMO. He is not working for someone and he gets to ride for himself if he is the best indeed, as you claim, without dealing with the pressure early on.
Not being the sole leader can help him in some tactical situations as well.

Pellizzari is not in such a bad position as you claim he is. He'll be if he's beaten by Roglic here and Hindley in the Giro.
 
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YavorD said:
He is going to get more opportunities if he proves to be good enough, they are not hindering him.
If he podiums the Giro, he is getting a protected role in the Vuelta as well. What more does he need?


Now with Evenepoel/Lipo the balance is similar to what Del Toro has in UAE.
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He's not doing the Vuelta. He wants to be properly prepared for autumn classics.
 
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