greg lemond - jealous of lance?

[skidmark]

Seems greg lemond is jealous of lance winning 7 TDF's to his Three - he seems bent on taking lance down. I wonder if his accusations of doping (and now siding with Floyd Landis) is indicative of trying to hide a doping issue in his past. Those who protest too loudly often have participated in that which they protest.

Hell yeah he's jealous. I am too. Who wouldn't be? I mean, wouldn't you just love to be sitting on a thorough federal investigation that could destroy your meticulously built house-of-cards legacy?

'What, Mr. federal investigator? Paying attention to l'il ole me? Why I do declare.'

JEALOUS

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I must have been accused of something that I didn't do. Maybe what I meant was that I wish he would have been closer so he could see what was really hiding in the bushes. Can you provide some cash so that I can defend myself? If someone actually puts my feet to the fire I might come out and admit that I actually did wrong. In the mean time I'll say that I didn't do anything wrong and fight it tooth and nail. If I do finally agree that I did say it, I'll say someone else said it first.

No I don't really mean that I would have liked for Lemond to have been killed. My words may be a little strong but I do have the right to say what I want. Sometimes a little emotion can lead to a good conversation.

Can't we agree that what these guys are doing is not good for the sport?

When I talk to people that don't know jack about the sport their first question to me is whether or not I think Lance doped. That sucks. AND Lemond has to keep the doping talk in the press. That sucks even worse. Can we agree on that?

No, but we can all agree that all you Public Strategies muppets are easy to spot and even easier to swat.

 

[erader]

I just wish Lemonds brother in law was standing a little closer when he shot what he thought was a turkey...
Lemond was my hero. Hey I went to the 1986 worlds in Colorado Springs and have his autograph on the actual ticket. But dude... Just SHUT UP. I'm not in the camp of that everyone is clean OR everyone is dirty. But, don't you really think that Lance cold beat that many tests...? For that many years? If he's proven guilty then I'll be the first to condemn him. But if the doctors and the anti-doping agencies can't catch him, how can hearsay from an aging fat former hero of mine.

Hey Lemond, cycling gave you all the gifts in your life. Appreciate it and shut the hell up. I say he's jealous of the money that's in the sport now. Just think how all the NASCAR guys from the old days feel about field fillers in the NASCAR races having their own jets...?

so you wished his brother-in-law killed him. that's pretty pathetic of you and you should be banned for life .... if there were anyway to enforce it.

erader

 

[erader]

Oh no, not me. I didn't say that. You're making accusations based on unfounded assumptions and generalizations and basing your case on that. You may have heard that type of behavior is going around. Watch out for it.

I never said that. I said he was my hero. Read the post.

you said it, dirtbag. don't start playing stupid now.

erader

 

[Elagabalus]

I must have been accused of something that I didn't do. Maybe what I meant was that I wish he would have been closer so he could see what was really hiding in the bushes. Can you provide some cash so that I can defend myself? If someone actually puts my feet to the fire I might come out and admit that I actually did wrong. In the mean time I'll say that I didn't do anything wrong and fight it tooth and nail. If I do finally agree that I did say it, I'll say someone else said it first.

No I don't really mean that I would have liked for Lemond to have been killed. My words may be a little strong but I do have the right to say what I want. Sometimes a little emotion can lead to a good conversation.

Can't we agree that what these guys are doing is not good for the sport?

When I talk to people that don't know jack about the sport their first question to me is whether or not I think Lance doped. That sucks. AND Lemond has to keep the doping talk in the press. That sucks even worse. Can we agree on that?

You know there was a time I felt the same way (perhaps not as militant as you). I kept wondering how LeMond kept insinuating himself in every little court case about Armstrong. But I think if you look at the facts, I think you will find that LeMond, apart from speaking out against LA's "relationship" with Ferrari, didn't do anything. It was Armstrong who was trying to silence LeMond and played every little trick he had to achieve that end.

Here let me help you out:

http://books.google.com/books?id=zJ...&resnum=4&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

Start at page 178

 

[BikeCentric]

The Public Strategies Muppet show is an epic fail. My guess is that they are paying dimwitted hungover college kids minimum wage.

 

[this_is_edie]

The Public Strategies Muppet show is an epic fail. My guess is that they are paying dimwitted hungover college kids minimum wage.

I actually don't think that they are being paid but are volunteers managed by Public Strategies. They believe that they are fighting 'the good fight' as instructed by their hero Armstrong's mouthpiece - an almost cult-like following if you will - to go and spread the word. scary actually.

 

[Boeing]

Just look around the forum today and notice the number of treads that were started by new posters on the same subject, using the same language. It is obviously orchestrated.

why is it so important

they go away eventually. read another

the only thing worse than repeat posts is people complaining about repeat posts, repeatedly.

 

[Boeing]

Seems greg lemond is jealous of lance winning 7 TDF's to his Three - he seems bent on taking lance down. I wonder if his accusations of doping (and now siding with Floyd Landis) is indicative of trying to hide a doping issue in his past. Those who protest too loudly often have participated in that which they protest.

Are you calling OZfan ghay?

 

[ABRABR]

I just joined this forum recently and I am not paid by or working for anyone related to Greg, Lance, or anyone related to cycling. But it does seem a bit of a drag that things are so one-sided on the Greg-Lance thing. I have felt motivated to post in favor of Lance just to add some balance!

Objectively, there is circumstantial (though no direct) evidence that Lance doped. At the same time, Greg seems overly focused on Lance in his own crusades, and in reality even if guilty Lance would be neither the cause nor anything more than a small part of the problem. So Greg does come off seeming jealous.

In any case, I wish there were more acknowledgement that they were BOTH great men in cycling, inspiring to many, and definitely possessing good and admirable qualities, in addition to some perhaps not so good and admirable. They are both, after all, humans! I'd rather not throw out either baby with their bathwater.

 

[Matt888]

I just joined this forum recently and I am not paid by or working for anyone related to Greg, Lance, or anyone related to cycling. But it does seem a bit of a drag that things are so one-sided on the Greg-Lance thing. I have felt motivated to post in favor of Lance just to add some balance!

Objectively, there is circumstantial (though no direct) evidence that Lance doped. At the same time, Greg seems overly focused on Lance in his own crusades, and in reality even if guilty Lance would be neither the cause nor anything more than a small part of the problem. So Greg does come off seeming jealous.

In any case, I wish there were more acknowledgement that they were BOTH great men in cycling, inspiring to many, and definitely possessing good and admirable qualities, in addition to some perhaps not so good and admirable. They are both, after all, humans! I'd rather not throw out either baby with their bathwater.

Thats a plus ONE and roger that charlie!!

 

[Race Radio]

I just joined this forum recently and I am not paid by or working for anyone related to Greg, Lance, or anyone related to cycling. But it does seem a bit of a drag that things are so one-sided on the Greg-Lance thing. I have felt motivated to post in favor of Lance just to add some balance!

Objectively, there is circumstantial (though no direct) evidence that Lance doped. At the same time, Greg seems overly focused on Lance in his own crusades, and in reality even if guilty Lance would be neither the cause nor anything more than a small part of the problem. So Greg does come off seeming jealous.

In any case, I wish there were more acknowledgement that they were BOTH great men in cycling, inspiring to many, and definitely possessing good and admirable qualities, in addition to some perhaps not so good and admirable. They are both, after all, humans! I'd rather not throw out either baby with their bathwater.

The reality is Greg has been very vocal about the troubles facing the sport for decades. Until recently Greg has said very little about Lance, a few sentences in the period of a decade. These few sentences have been blow up by Armstrong and his groupies.

After Trek lost their court case with Greg it was clear that Greg could be more vocal and not threatened with losing his livelihood. It is good to hear him talk about the issues facing the sport.

As for the poster. Regardless of the topic someone came here over and over as a "New" poster to post the same thing that had been discussed again and again it would get old. Anyone who has been following the forum for more then a few days can see there is suddenly a huge amount of new, 1 post, posters repeating the same smear of Greg. After a while even the Armstrong groupies get sick of it.

 

[this_is_edie]

The Onion's take "On The Continuing Feud Between Greg LeMond And Lance Armstrong"

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

now that's funny!

 

[woodburn]

I just joined this forum recently and I am not paid by or working for anyone related to Greg, Lance, or anyone related to cycling. But it does seem a bit of a drag that things are so one-sided on the Greg-Lance thing. I have felt motivated to post in favor of Lance just to add some balance!

Objectively, there is circumstantial (though no direct) evidence that Lance doped. At the same time, Greg seems overly focused on Lance in his own crusades, and in reality even if guilty Lance would be neither the cause nor anything more than a small part of the problem. So Greg does come off seeming jealous.

In any case, I wish there were more acknowledgement that they were BOTH great men in cycling, inspiring to many, and definitely possessing good and admirable qualities, in addition to some perhaps not so good and admirable. They are both, after all, humans! I'd rather not throw out either baby with their bathwater.

So witnesses of doping are circumstantial not direct evidence? I guess then if a group of people see someone commit murder but don't have pictures or the weapon then there is no "proof" he did it. Our court system clearly has had it all wrong.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Lance is jealous of Greg

If anything lance is jealous of Greg. Deep down Lance knows he would have barely made it as a pro had it not been for dope, but Greg got by on natural talent Lance had to pay for. All of those "most amazingly talented athletic specimen ever" lies that the Lance camp spew out actually apply to Greg, while Lance is nothing more than "one of the best respondents to a genius doping program ever".

Right now Greg is in a much better position than Lance. The Texan faces the very real possibility of media disgrace and criminal sanction, which would only further boost LeMond and his agenda.

 

[outrage9]

Are you too dense to notice the obvious? There are about 100 posting names on here that all joined this month. The whole idea is to discredit Lemond and anyone who attacks Armstrong. It's not as though it's 100 different people. They're all just muppets of the same poster or couple of posters.

Like there is an organized anti lemond group off of this forum that meets at Starbucks and decides to come post malicious posts about Lemond? A coordinated attack. Too funny...

 

[Harplayr]

First time poster her, been lurking for several years now so please be gentle.


I have the utmost admiration for Greg Lemond. He is the person that inspired me into getting involved in cycling.

My first century was a charity event he used to run going from Chicago to Milwaukee. That was my goal my first year, and I worked myself up to that distance throughout that spring and summer. I never raced, but love the bike and most of my vacations are spent touring via bicycle and enjoying riding with my local club.

At the event, I was amazed how friendly and accessible to the riders he was. He rode the event with us, charging up to each rest stop, and then staying there to talk and take pictures with anybody that cared to meet him. It was quite special to be able to say “I rode with Lemond” even though it was for the 2 seconds he was near me while passing me.

These last few years I’ve been disappointed though as all I hear is him dragging other people down. I don’t know if it is just what is reported in the press or if he has changed somehow, but at least the way he comes across in the press is as a bitter man.

I hope in the next years he will once again focus on promoting the sport by highlighting the more positive aspects, and that his great personality (the one I met and admired) will once again be at the forefront. I hope he continues to inspire people to get onto their bikes and follow the sport.

 

[marinoni]

Are you too dense to notice the obvious? There are about 100 posting names on here that all joined this month. The whole idea is to discredit Lemond and anyone who attacks Armstrong. It's not as though it's 100 different people. They're all just muppets of the same poster or couple of posters.

I posted here because 1) I couldn't believe that someone was rehashing this tired old argument and 2) I couldn't believe so many people were validating it with a response. WHY do you keep responding to these idiots? Ignore them and let em die on the vine.

 

[Hangdog98]

Another conspiracy theory?

Seriously? Does the Lemond camp really now believe that support for Lance Armstrong could only come from a group of people supporting multiple identities posting in support of Lance. How many conspiracy theories do you need to keep believing in the LA doping fantasy? First he sells bikes on ebay to pay for drugs, then it's money siphoned off USPS, then it's money siphoned off cancer research money, then he pays off the UCI, the WADA and every human being he has ever come into contact with. Now there's a group of dedicated internet junkies who spend their days creating multiple forum user accounts to offer rebuttle to the LA haters.

The reason there's 100 new members on the forum is that ALL cycling forums enjoy a boost in membership around the time of the Tour deFrance. Surely you're not too dense to figure that out Noose NcMuckles?

Listen to yourself. Get some perspective.

 

[guilder]

As for the poster. Regardless of the topic someone came here over and over as a "New" poster to post the same thing that had been discussed again and again it would get old. Anyone who has been following the forum for more then a few days can see there is suddenly a huge amount of new, 1 post, posters repeating the same smear of Greg. After a while even the Armstrong groupies get sick of it.

Whatever you say.

This is the height of the season for cycling. What do you expect? New posters have every right to post their opinions. Overall this forum is too unwieldy for a poster to keep up with the 100% circular trash. Just because something has been posted before doesn't make it off limits.

If I can say something more effectively regardless if its repeated daily, I will.

Lemond's selective recall = omerta

 

[Race Radio]

Whatever you say.

This is the height of the season for cycling. What do you expect? New posters have every right to post their opinions. Overall this forum is too unwieldy for a poster to keep up with the 100% circular trash. Just because something has been posted before doesn't make it off limits.

If I can say something more effectively regardless if its repeated daily, I will.

Lemond's selective recall = omerta

There is a search function that is easy to use. You also often see the same post initiated 3-5 times in one day. It is almost like the board is being spamed by people who are unable to read.

Greg talked about doping at PDM 20 years ago. He talked about Ferrari before Lace ever came back from Cancer. He has been a vocal critic for decades and it is only selective reading of the groupies that pretend otherwise.

 

[BroDeal]

First time poster her, been lurking for several years now so please be gentle.


I have the utmost admiration for Greg Lemond. He is the person that inspired me into getting involved in cycling.

My first century was a charity event he used to run going from Chicago to Milwaukee. That was my goal my first year, and I worked myself up to that distance throughout that spring and summer. I never raced, but love the bike and most of my vacations are spent touring via bicycle and enjoying riding with my local club.

At the event, I was amazed how friendly and accessible to the riders he was. He rode the event with us, charging up to each rest stop, and then staying there to talk and take pictures with anybody that cared to meet him. It was quite special to be able to say “I rode with Lemond” even though it was for the 2 seconds he was near me while passing me.

These last few years I’ve been disappointed though as all I hear is him dragging other people down. I don’t know if it is just what is reported in the press or if he has changed somehow, but at least the way he comes across in the press is as a bitter man.

I hope in the next years he will once again focus on promoting the sport by highlighting the more positive aspects, and that his great personality (the one I met and admired) will once again be at the forefront. I hope he continues to inspire people to get onto their bikes and follow the sport.

Public Strategies needs to make a more sophisticated script. Apparently the script says to say that the new poster has been lurking in the forum for years. The new anti-Lemond posters repeatedly make such a claim. This forum has not existed for "years." It is barely more than a year old.

 

[ustabe]

Seems greg lemond is jealous of lance winning 7 TDF's to his Three - he seems bent on taking lance down. I wonder if his accusations of doping (and now siding with Floyd Landis) is indicative of trying to hide a doping issue in his past. Those who protest too loudly often have participated in that which they protest.

There may be some truth to the jealousy angle, but I'm certain that it's more complicated than that. It's reasonable to assume that LeMond was also emboldened by Landis' accusations, but I'm certain it's more complicated than simply taking sides.

LeMond has been striving to push this matter into the courts where he would be compelled to tell the truth. If this is what he wants he certainly would not lying to anybody who would listen now.

Keep in mind the evolution of doping technology through Greg's career. At the start it was stimulants, which gave way to steroids and blood-boosting (transfusion), which gave way to EPO near the end of his career. I would not be surprised if Greg were not 100 percent clean, but his lack of results after 1990 would indicate that he did not use EPO.

 

[Harplayr]

Public Strategies needs to make a more sophisticated script. Apparently the script says to say that the new poster has been lurking in the forum for years. The new anti-Lemond posters repeatedly make such a claim. This forum has not existed for "years." It is barely more than a year old.

Sounds like the tin hatters are in full swing.

No, I’m not part of any conspiracy….I’m just a guy that has great admiration for Lemond, is thankful for him sparking my interest in cycling, and hoping in the future he will continue to inspire more people to get off the couch and onto their bikes.