Greg Lemond on Doping

[Oldman]

The point of "burn it down" is eliminate the UCI. Cut off the head to kill the beast.

I've been trying to speak plainly and thanks, you said it better. Then, scrutinize the people that profit from operation of the Private Contractor Management companies that make up the corporate structure for Pro Tour team operations. Does a governing body get to audit expenditures for these "companies"-the guys that employ the Private Contractors-known to all of us as Pro Bike Racers or heroes. That's what happens in straight business. If that is part of the "burning down" it leaves the door open for legit players to fill the vacumn as many of these traditional team operations will wither in the light of fiscal exposure. Like they say in every suspense drama now: follow the money.

 

[Frosty]

Agree.

It would have been more polite to describe Greg as "Big-Boned"
or even better "Long-Thighed".

Average American?

 

[Oldman]

Average American?

Hahahahahaha. I bet he still rides faster than you and your friends.

 

[Frosty]

Hahahahahaha. I bet he still rides faster than you and your friends.

I bet he rides faster than you as well, maybe its a little challenge you can set up.

I was just referring to what the magazine could have written instead of unnecessarily referring to his weight, average anglophone would be equally valid. The US is not the only country where everyone is above their ideal weight.

 

[SpartacusRox]

I bet he rides faster than you as well, maybe its a little challenge you can set up.

I was just referring to what the magazine could have written instead of unnecessarily referring to his weight, average anglophone would be equally valid. The US is not the only country where everyone is above their ideal weight.

Why not? He's fat why try to avoid the fact.The average American and indeed westerner is overweight. Doesn't look like too many salads in the diet, or at least he should maybe go easy on the dressing

And before you restate your challenge: If that photo is an indication of his current shape I would be more than happy (at 49yo) to take him on. I was racing full on when Greg was winning his tdf's and he was great to watch and an inspiration to non-euro's. Sad to see him so out of shape even though he has had his health problems.

 

[Roland Rat]

Meh. Greg can eat all the pork pies he likes, he's earned it.

 

[python]

This is the first time (to my knowledge) LeMond has publicly, for the media said that Armstrong admitted to his EPO use to him. Everyone here knows the story about this phone call but I have never seen it in a newsppaper like USA Today. Wow. Dominoes are starting to fall... slowly. I hope Novitzky confirms soon less this whole thing blows over....

exactly.

how unfortunate that the second most important development after flandisgate gets buried under the mountain of useless posts in response to one troll.

i am starting to reconsider my participation in this forum.

 

[oldschoolnik]

exactly.

how unfortunate that the second most important development after flandisgate gets buried under the mountain of useless posts in response to one troll.

i am starting to reconsider my participation in this forum.

Interesting how Cycling News left the above highlighted part out of their coverage of the USA Today piece. I mean if ever there was a place where LeMond's word was credible it would be CN - and here he is saying in print that LA called him and admitted that he used EPO - as I said I think many posters on here know the story well, but to see it in print... means he is ready to go to the mat knowing full well that LA can't sue his ***.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Interesting how Cycling News left the above highlighted part out of their coverage of the USA Today piece. I mean if ever there was a place where LeMond's word was credible it would be CN - and here he is saying in print that LA called him and admitted that he used EPO - as I said I think many posters on here know the story well, but to see it in print... means he is ready to go to the mat knowing full well that LA can't sue his ***.

I guess CN feels it has to be careful. Judging by the adverts on the site the newcomer fanboy market is vital to both the site and its sponsors.

 

[python]

Interesting how Cycling News left the above highlighted part out of their coverage of the USA Today piece. I mean if ever there was a place where LeMond's word was credible it would be CN - and here he is saying in print that LA called him and admitted that he used EPO - as I said I think many posters on here know the story well, but to see it in print... means he is ready to go to the mat knowing full well that LA can't sue his ***.

intentional or not but the cn missing armstrong's admition of doping to the very credible witness is very disappointing.

i dont understand why flandis's accusations are more news worthy for cn than lemond's

 

[thehog]

intentional or not but the cn missing armstrong's admition of doping to the very credible witness is very disappointing.

i dont understand why flandis's accusations are more news worthy for cn than lemond's

http://www.examiner.com/x-1155-Cycl...eg-LeMond-Lance-Armstrong-told-me-he-took-EPO

http://www.bikeworldnews.com/2010/06/03/lemond-lance-armstrong-admitted-epo/

 

[TheCompleteAtomicSpartacus]

intentional or not but the cn missing armstrong's admition of doping to the very credible witness is very disappointing.

i dont understand why flandis's accusations are more news worthy for cn than lemond's

It does seem like CN needs to answer this. The Lemond allegation of the conversation was far and away the most newsworthy item in the USA Today story, and its absence from the CN report is bound to provoke wild guesses as to the motivation.

One multiple TdF winner says that another admitted to him he cheated. And it's not worth mentioning?

So, which is it to be: oversight; bungle; legal reasons; playing ball with advertisers?

Any answers?

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1155-Cycl...eg-LeMond-Lance-Armstrong-told-me-he-took-EPO

http://www.bikeworldnews.com/2010/06/03/lemond-lance-armstrong-admitted-epo/

didn't Armstrong say he took EPO after contracting cancer during his recovery?

 

[clear123]

flandis

I'm glad for Greg. And I hope this is only the start, he deserves for the truth to out, and to feel completely vindicated. A good guy.

The same can be told for Greg L, he came back from death to win the Tour, no testing back thenm was he dirty or clean ? Those who shout the loudest are usually dirty in my experience. Just Sayin.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Google "joke run into the ground over the course of three pages."

Google: "LOL"

 

[thehog]

The same can be told for Greg L, he came back from death to win the Tour, no testing back thenm was he dirty or clean ? Those who shout the loudest are usually dirty in my experience. Just Sayin.

Hi there. Like your style. We need more like you around here to add an interesting, well thought-out perspective in these complex situations. More posts like this please.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

i don't think LA is a good liar. his emotions and overeactions betray him.

ed rader

He is a much better bully and enforcer of omerta than he is a liar.

A sycophantic media not questioning his lies doesn't make him a good liar, it just means the press is biased and derelict in their duties.

 

[Slo Mo]

I'm glad for Greg. And I hope this is only the start, he deserves for the truth to out, and to feel completely vindicated. A good guy.

He really wants to clean up cycling... NOT! He will never stop until he gets rid of Lance so he can recapture the title of "The greatest American cyclist of all time". That has been the objective since day one!

 

[Race Radio]

He really wants to clean up cycling... NOT! He will never stop until he gets rid of Lance so he can recapture the title of "The greatest American cyclist of all time". That has been the objective since day one!

Nice Public Strategies talking point, too bad it is not based on fact.

Lemond has been vocal about doping in the sport long before Armstrong won his first Tour

 

[supersix69]

Lemond Who

Lemond has no credibility, just like Landis has no credibility. I find it amazing that no one is asking for their contributions back from Landis. and yes Lemond is nothing more than a mean , disgruntled paunchy ex- rider. The real culprit however, is the UCI, the whole place needs to be figuritively destroyed. There is no leadership , no common sense and a complete lack of consistency in anything they do. The case iagainst Valverde is a perfect case in point. Mcquaid says he wants to look to the future abut yet he welcomes the sanctions from investigations that proved nothing from years ago. I am just disgusted with everything and everyone. I think i'll go ride my bike.

 

[ilillillli]

The point of "burn it down" is eliminate the UCI. Cut off the head to kill the beast.

gotcha. burning it down=cutting off the beast's head. now can someone explain what that means.

sorry, i realize "trashing the UCI" is popular and probably wouldn't be a bad thing, but I still don't know how, given current technology, you can do much better than the bio passport and more testing. more testing, better testing... that's the least creative (but still best) solution i can come up with.

in competition everyone is going to be looking for a competitive advantage. doesn't matter if their the current riders we're about to burn down or the new, surely virtuous, ones that will take their place. undetectable doping, unfortunately, is a competitive advantage. ergo, in my opinion you've got to minimize undetectable doping simply by doing more and better testing.

that's not as sexy as "burn it down," or "cut off the head to kill the beast" but it's all i've got.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nice Public Strategies talking point, too bad it is not based on fact.

Lemond has been vocal about doping in the sport long before Armstrong won his first Tour

You would have to have been following cycling before July 1999 to know that though.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

It does seem like CN needs to answer this. The Lemond allegation of the conversation was far and away the most newsworthy item in the USA Today story, and its absence from the CN report is bound to provoke wild guesses as to the motivation.

One multiple TdF winner says that another admitted to him he cheated. And it's not worth mentioning?

So, which is it to be: oversight; bungle; legal reasons; playing ball with advertisers?

Any answers?

ime, one can never overlook sheer incomptence. and that goes double for 'journalists'. triple for internet 'journalists'.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

gotcha. burning it down=cutting off the beast's head. now can someone explain what that means.

google 'utter lack of cultural understanding'

 

[Slo Mo]

Nice Public Strategies talking point, too bad it is not based on fact.

Lemond has been vocal about doping in the sport long before Armstrong won his first Tour

It has nothing to do with the objective! He just wants to get the no. 1 spot again. Because of that, any enemy of Lance is his ally... even if that one is an enemy of his! Floyd!!