Greg Lemond on Doping

[Polish]

Juan Peloto

This might be a good time for Lance to consider changing his Nationality to Spanish. How long has he owned a house there?

http://www.justlanded.com/english/Spain/Articles/Visas-Permits/Spanish-citizenship
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[Anonymous]

I'm afraid I have to correct you. The biological paunchport system simply monitors a rider's possession of snacks over time. If there's ever a suspicious rise or fall in a rider's snack content, that rider can be targeted for paunch-testing. Unfortunately this system still fails to detect microsnacking.

So we need to get Ashenden to address microsnacking when attempting tighten up the parameters of the paunchport.

Geez, next thing you know Snickers will be the title sponsor at the Tour of California.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Anyone betting LA sues Lemond for libel?

One can only hope as cross-examination would be a hoot.

Seemed to be that GL may be baiting LA to sue him. He knows LA would just be walking into a siht storm of his own creation. GL is untouchable as far as LA is concerned.

Go ahead and prove you didn't say it to him.

It's just another cut in a death by 10,000 cuts.

 

[oldschoolnik]

I'm afraid I have to correct you. The biological paunchport system simply monitors a rider's possession of snacks over time. If there's ever a suspicious rise or fall in a rider's snack content, that rider can be targeted for paunch-testing. Unfortunately this system still fails to detect microsnacking.

I've heard from people who work on ProTour teams that you can beat the biological paunchport system by using a prosthetic paunch under your jersey for a length of time. Keeping paunch levels realetively stable over the course of the season or retirement - it then becomes harder to detect material changes in Paunch. They are develping a more sensitve paunch test but it won't be ready before the Thanksgiving - considered the toughest test of the paunch passport system

 

[oldschoolnik]

Early adopters of Paunch doping were quite brazen:

Early adopters of Paunch doping were quite brazen - this rider hardly made any attempt to conceal his paunch:

 

[thehog]

So we need to get Ashenden to address microsnacking when attempting tighten up the parameters of the paunchport.

Geez, next thing you know Snickers will be the title sponsor at the Tour of California.

Landis claims he was asked to stay at Lance's place in Girona and take care of his paunch clothing in his closet. Landis also claims that Lance was wearing pants hitched up by braces to hide his paunch. According to sources close to Landis, Armstrong's then wife saw the pants and braces combo.

Kristin Armstrong when contacted said she doesn't remember Lance having a paunch and does not recollect the pants & braces incident occuring.

 

[ilillillli]

there's a new video going around showing how saxo bank riders could've plausibly hidden fro-yo within the hollow monocoque frames of their bikes. the delicious yogurt could be activated with a mere push of a button.

 

[First up]

For those that say the negativity is hurting the sport the correct response is getting even closer to: "burn it down". It sounds extreme but the interdependence of cheaters and facilitators protects them both, minus a few sacrificial lambs like the group we've seen the UCI finally deal with.

But maybe the type of sport pro-cycling is leads to a corrupt system, rather than the corrupt system creating the space for doping.

Is it the chicken or the egg?

 

[tubularglue]

there's a new video going around showing how saxo bank riders could've plausibly hidden fro-yo within the hollow monocoque frames of their bikes. the delicious yogurt could be activated with a mere push of a button.

greg lemond thread.

 

[Polish]

Thought the dig about his slight paunch was a bit unnecessary.

Agree.

It would have been more polite to describe Greg as "Big-Boned"
or even better "Long-Thighed".

 

[MacRoadie]

Landis claims he was asked to stay at Lance's place in Girona and take care of his paunch clothing in his closet. Landis also claims that Lance was wearing pants hitched up by braces to hide his paunch. According to sources close to Landis, Armstrong's then wife saw the pants and braces combo.

Kristin Armstrong when contacted said she doesn't remember Lance having a paunch and does not recollect the pants & braces incident occuring.

Translation for the American audience: braces = suspenders

 

[ilillillli]

greg lemond thread.

google: "humor, sense of"

 

[Kennf1]

google: "humor, sense of"

Google "joke run into the ground over the course of three pages."

 

[Oldman]

But maybe the type of sport pro-cycling is leads to a corrupt system, rather than the corrupt system creating the space for doping.

Is it the chicken or the egg?

What? It is what it is now. What difference does it make that most sports have corruption? Or do you mean a corrupt group of people: sponsors, sports agents, promoters, sports gear providers, etc-all got together and said "let's find a sport to corrupt and make a great living committing fraud?"

 

[ilillillli]

Google "joke run into the ground over the course of three pages."

you're right. this thread would be more exciting if it were three pages of droll analysis of greg lemond quotes from usa today. thanks for keeping the internet safe.

 

[marinoni]

It's already happening

That disclosure is news to me and could start a fire. LA will be torn to defend against this accusation in court because of the parade of witnesses. I'm not sure I believe he would be dumb enough to do that, either.

On this count Lemond is totally in sync with what many have said:
"This is all about bullying and threatening those who dared to challenge the story,"LeMond says. "But to really change, there needs to be a cleansing from the top down. Just punishing riders won't fix it. The teams, the corporations that sponsor them and the organizations that govern the sport all have to take responsibility. Right now it is a corrupt system."

For those that say the negativity is hurting the sport the correct response is getting even closer to: "burn it down". It sounds extreme but the interdependence of cheaters and facilitators protects them both, minus a few sacrificial lambs like the group we've seen the UCI finally deal with.

I don't see "burn it down" ever happening. Then again it might not need to. Maybe a slow steady smouldering. There are far fewer races these days. Sponsorship deals seem to be increasingly short-term. There are how many teams looking for new sponsors next season? For those people who are worried that the mainstream sports media is losing respect for cycling, you may as well stop worrying, that ship has sailed. Fairly or not, pro cycling is a laughing-stock in the mainstream sports media.
So what I see as increasingly likely in 10yrs is a sport with even fewer races. I also expect to see fewer, smaller teams with much smaller budgets and salaries.
This of course is assuming continued relatively prosperous times. If the economic collapse in Greece spreads to other Euro nations as expected then all bets are off. I wish I had reason to be more optimistic but this sport has been digging it's own grave for years now, it deserves everything it gets.
On a brighter note- microsnacking! very funny.

 

[ilillillli]

I don't see "burn it down" ever happening.

can someone please explain to me what "burn it down" actually means? and how it would be "built back up" in a way that's any better than it's current form.

 

[First up]

What? It is what it is now. What difference does it make that most sports have corruption? Or do you mean a corrupt group of people: sponsors, sports agents, promoters, sports gear providers, etc-all got together and said "let's find a sport to corrupt and make a great living committing fraud?"

No. I'm suggesting that the nature of pro cycling - the extreme difficulty and pain that riders go through day after day - leads to doping. So the system that governs this has to react by having an element of corruption within it, because they know it is such a common theme.

Maybe it's the type of sport it is that creates the system and not the system creating the doping.

 

[Race Radio]

Certainly Greg must feel some vindication. He was right about Armstrong and Landis.

Perhaps the best part about this is Armstrong cannot do anything about it. What the Trek-Lemond case made clear was Greg has a slam dunk case against Armstrong for interfering with his business relationships with Trek and others.

Instead of hiring a PR firm to slime Greg like he did in the past Lance has to sit back and drink a big glass of "Shut the hell up" or he will be writing a big check.

 

[First up]

Banned user.

 

[El Oso]

Seemed to be that GL may be baiting LA to sue him. He knows LA would just be walking into a siht storm of his own creation. GL is untouchable as far as LA is concerned.

Go ahead and prove you didn't say it to him.

It's just another cut in a death by 10,000 cuts.

Pretty much

At this point LA knows there would be a "$h!t storm" if he were to sue anybody for defamation. That's the real reason he won't sue FLandis and the reason why he won't sue LeMond. He knows the truth will come out. People are starting to come out and are no longer afraid of him and his gang.

 

[marinoni]

can someone please explain to me what "burn it down" actually means? and how it would be "built back up" in a way that's any better than it's current form.

Yeah, I don't really see what it means either. It just sounds good.

 

[Race Radio]

Maybe he feels embarrassed that he decided to take the money rather than fight the case. It's left to Landis to do the job he ducked out of at the last minute.

Is that really a vindication?

What is this "Cause" you refer to? While Armstrong's PR people tried to spin Greg as a bitter, jealous, old guy the reality is the case was a business dispute between Greg, Trek, and Armstrong. To think that the case would have been a turning point for the sport is misguided.

Only the clueless groupies continue to believe the myth these days, a trial would not have changed this.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Did anyone notice that Greg states Landis called him,

"And in an indirect way confessed to something, like he didn't know how to talk about it with his family and friends. He was on the fence about which way to go."

Is this in reference to Landis' recent call, or the call that was central to Lemond testifying at Landis' dope hearing? It sounds like he is referencing the call Landis made to Greg after the positive test.

 

[El Oso]

Did anyone notice that Greg states Landis called him,

"And in an indirect way confessed to something, like he didn't know how to talk about it with his family and friends. He was on the fence about which way to go."

Is this in reference to Landis' recent call, or the call that was central to Lemond testifying at Landis' dope hearing? It sounds like he is referencing the call Landis made to Greg after the positive test.

I interpret it to be about the call in 2006 due to the statement "He was on the fence about which way to go." If I recall correctly, FLandis had said in that call something along the lines of too many people would be hurt if he told the truth, which ties in with him being on the fence as to whether he would confess or fight. Plus, LeMond told FLandis the molestation story as an example of the issue of holding something in, i.e. LeMond argued FLandis should go on the confession side of the fence.