Greg Lemond on Doping

[CycloErgoSum]

Heh heh...some jack@$$ named "reddnblu" left this ironic comment below the USA Today article:Keep peddling Lance

I laughed out loud at that one too, literally.

Stupidity mortifies, but it's funny too, huh?

 

[dickwrench]

You're right, I don't know how clean GL was. I also don't invest any emotions in the guy. But I do know that until LA in 2002, who BTW also never lived with him, started accusing him for self-interested reasons. History speaks. It's our past, present and future. History suggests GL was clean. History seems to suggest otherwise for LA.

A zygot is a very small thing. Saying 'shred of evidence' is a cliche I would prefer to avoid.

In 2001 not 2002 Lemond accused Lance of something because he was using Ferrari like it is guilt by association. I personaly don't know what my doctor does on the side when I am not at his office so if he molest farm animals as a hobby do I do that too? Saying Lance did drugs because he used Ferrari is the same thing. I will be glad when this talk from Floyd Landis who is a proven doper who failed a test and lied to millions of fans up until now is debuked and Lance can concentrate on winning again. Now he is the hero.

This talk is just like AFLO dropping bombs before the tour for maximum effect because Landis could say these thing in December insted of May like hello! This is money grab for broke Landis to write a book and Lemond is playing right along. It is ok because lots of folks make money off of Lances name so it is all good but please don't be so blatant about it. His real fans know the truth and this is nothing but a hatchet job of the jealous. Now I'm logging off because this is really upsetting.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

In 2001 not 2002 Lemond accused Lance of something because he was using Ferrari like it is guilt by association. I personaly don't know what my doctor does on the side when I am not at his office so if he molest farm animals as a hobby do I do that too? Saying Lance did drugs because he used Ferrari is the same thing. I will be glad when this talk from Floyd Landis who is a proven doper who failed a test and lied to millions of fans up until now is debuked and Lance can concentrate on winning again. Now he is the hero.

This talk is just like AFLO dropping bombs before the tour for maximum effect because Landis could say these thing in December insted of May like hello! This is money grab for broke Landis to write a book and Lemond is playing right along. It is ok because lots of folks make money off of Lances name so it is all good but please don't be so blatant about it. His real fans know the truth and this is nothing but a hatchet job of the jealous. Now I'm logging off because this is really upsetting.

Ok, don't worry about it. We disagree, no biggee.

 

[MacRoadie]

In 2001 not 2002 Lemond accused Lance of something because he was using Ferrari like it is guilt by association. I personaly don't know what my doctor does on the side when I am not at his office so if he molest farm animals as a hobby do I do that too? Saying Lance did drugs because he used Ferrari is the same thing. I will be glad when this talk from Floyd Landis who is a proven doper who failed a test and lied to millions of fans up until now is debuked and Lance can concentrate on winning again. Now he is the hero.

This talk is just like AFLO dropping bombs before the tour for maximum effect because Landis could say these thing in December insted of May like hello! This is money grab for broke Landis to write a book and Lemond is playing right along. It is ok because lots of folks make money off of Lances name so it is all good but please don't be so blatant about it. His real fans know the truth and this is nothing but a hatchet job of the jealous. Now I'm logging off because this is really upsetting.

Dude, spell check much? If you're being paid by the word, I hope they count the misspelled ones too.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dude, spell check much? If you're being paid by the word, I hope they count the misspelled ones too.

Not meaning to spoil the party but "Dickwrench" is 'ChrisE'..............

He does the "dw" thing every so often and I did get a kick out of them presenting that English was not their first language.... all good.

So when DW says he doesn't like Greg he actually means he wants to have his babies and he loves cancer too.

 

[python]

Not meaning to spoil the party but "Dickwrench" is 'ChrisE'..............

He does the "dw" thing every so often and I did get a kick out of them presenting that English was not their first language.... all good.

So when DW says he doesn't like Greg he actually means he wants to have his babies and he loves cancer too.

both were banned at the same time you doc identified them and both get support from a certain member who used to move around using his feet. expect both to show up soon

 

[woodburn]

In 2001 not 2002 Lemond accused Lance of something because he was using Ferrari like it is guilt by association. I personaly don't know what my doctor does on the side when I am not at his office so if he molest farm animals as a hobby do I do that too? Saying Lance did drugs because he used Ferrari is the same thing. I will be glad when this talk from Floyd Landis who is a proven doper who failed a test and lied to millions of fans up until now is debuked and Lance can concentrate on winning again. Now he is the hero.

This talk is just like AFLO dropping bombs before the tour for maximum effect because Landis could say these thing in December insted of May like hello! This is money grab for broke Landis to write a book and Lemond is playing right along. It is ok because lots of folks make money off of Lances name so it is all good but please don't be so blatant about it. His real fans know the truth and this is nothing but a hatchet job of the jealous. Now I'm logging off because this is really upsetting.

Except Lemond never accused him of using drugs in 2001. He only said he was disappointed that he was with Ferrari. But make up the story if you like.

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

Except Lemond never accused him of using drugs in 2001. He only said he was disappointed that he was with Ferrari. But make up the story if you like.

Didn't Lemond say that Lance admitted EPO use to him at that time also?
I'm not sure of the date but isn't that about right?

 

[bobs nob]

Heh heh...some jack@$$ named "reddnblu" left this ironic comment below the USA Today article:

Demand media has already issued a statement that reddnblu's bounty won't be paid for that post.

 

[bobs nob]

help us, Calculator Boy!!!

If 7 is 2.3333333333 times 3 tdf wins, then how many times is 6 epo positives than zero?

You got a few of lance's pubby's on your nostrils....

 

[51...topgun]

Early70's- Merckx has longer muscles than previously recorded...

Late 70's Young Lemond crushes all my teamates like roadkill. Higher oxygen intake...

Early 80's Lemond douches Hinault!!! after infighting. He's the ultimate specimen...

Late 80's Many American riders can suddenly compete with the Euro- legends. We've finally developed...

Early 90's- La arrives . Young, Brash , Talented. Gains from Triathlete "experience'...

Late 90's Everyone's found to be doping in the Pro peloton, or else!!!

2000 -2010 Debate and persecutions.

They've always been doing it. Early TdF supplied it as a benefit. Italy has always been the spearpoint of doping research, always. Le Mond says he never did but so did all the others who were eventually caught. But I've learned to believe him because his words hurt at first but always end up having been early warnings come true....

I'm also keeping Tom Boonens quote regarding Fabian ( in mind) What do these other riders have to be afraid of, He hasn't suddenly grown rockets out of his ****!" ...or did he?

The longer you look at it, The more doping is the obvious truth. Is it also true that if all the best, highest paid, heavily big buck sponsored riders are doing it to gain the upper hand on each other, Is'nt their playing field level? If Eddy was doing the same as Gimondi and Kneteman and Van Looey, et al, wasn't he still better. I hate the feelings I get about this but can't stop watching this trainwreck.

 

[Big Doopie]

In 2001 not 2002 Lemond accused Lance of something because he was using Ferrari like it is guilt by association.

what do you think ferrari is? he's a hematologist. why would a guy need to search out a hematologist from italy whose only fame was amping riders up with epo? even in the early 90s, lemond wasn't "followed" by a doctor. i find it fascinating that people today totally accept that a rider needs to see a doctor (who's expertise is in blood) as a "coach". why? if you are clean, why would you need to hire (with an exclusivity clause) a doctor to "coach" you? it makes absolutely no sense...if you are clean.

the one and only reason to go to ferrari -- and this was a known fact to all riders (and their wives!) -- was to get the very best blood enhancement possible and to pass all the testing.

the idea that this hematologist and dope doctor suddenly served up nothing but "training tips" to armstrong is -- frankly -- just plain stupid.

in 1999 gotti was still seeing ferrari -- and still a contender. armstrong put a stop to that in 2000 (as it was necessary at that point to protect the myth) with his exclusivity clause. gotti's career immediately went down the tubes -- precipitously! the last thing i can remember hearing about him was his parent's caravan being found to be carrying tons and tons of doping products.

it really isn't hard to put one and one together.

 

[ChrisE]

Not meaning to spoil the party but "Dickwrench" is 'ChrisE'..............

He does the "dw" thing every so often and I did get a kick out of them presenting that English was not their first language.... all good.

So when DW says he doesn't like Greg he actually means he wants to have his babies and he loves cancer too.

You guys are funny. I wish I was as smart as y'all claim to be.

 

[ChrisE]

Didn't Lemond say that Lance admitted EPO use to him at that time also?
I'm not sure of the date but isn't that about right?

C'mon now WGR, you can't be tossing "****"wrenches in this slamfest now by using logic and facts. Our fellow CN forum denizens do not read the front page of the website. They are having too much fun with a diversion they think is me.

Yes, GL says that now but that was not the quote 9 years ago. The worm turns.

 

[ChrisE]

If 7 is 2.3333333333 times 3 tdf wins, then how many times is 6 epo positives than zero?

You got a few of lance's pubby's on your nostrils....

Hey a$$clown, I'm not defending dickwrench but in your world if 3x2.333 does not = 7 then you are in the right place with your drug induced typing skills. Plus, it looks like you have a problem with constructing sentences. "Then how many times is 6 epo positives than zero"????

FYI, crack is not your friend. Sober up and get high on life instead.

 

[ChrisE]

both were banned at the same time you doc identified them and both get support from a certain member who used to move around using his feet. expect both to show up soon

A bird told me logical cranium comes off ban Sept 17. I doubt he can be as much of an idiot as your alterego on DPF, but he will sure try.

 

[Oldman]

maybe you should learn how to use the quote thing right before you start insulting others about how to use a computer oldman.

Debate the subject, don't attack the debater so I do not wish to reply tit tat with your ad hominum attacks. Word.

You're not a debater. Word.

 

[Old Gringo Stan]

dickwrench....you need to keep the one look dictionary up while you post....and your comprehension is abysmal

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Who was the pro who died of a heart attack in Jan 95?

In the video posted in the now closed thread GL mentions that he was an ex-team mate who left GAN for an Italian team with a doping programme.

EDIT: OK, I found it, it was Philippe Casado. Anyone know if his death was confirmed as a consequence of doping? I don't imagine it was; like suicides, such things are covered up for families and reputations.

 

[blackcat]

dickwrench....you need to keep the one look dictionary up while you post....and your comprehension is abysmal

his is too busy wrenching

 

[gree0232]

I would like to introduce Greg Lemond to a few words:

Possible.

Probable.

Proven.

I believe that Greg Lemond is also familiar with how a system works, in that he has gotten it right before. For example, during Floyd's arbitration hearing, when he made teh charge of threatening phone calls and attempts to silence - he backed it up with a phone number, time and date, and 'oh look' that phone number belongs to that guy right there.

I think Greg needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying before he opens his mouth. The sponsors are funding doping? All the sponsors that are requiring anti-doping clauses in their contracts and withdrawing or refusing to enter the sport because of doping.

We would place that accussation in the possible category.

THe UCI, WADA, National Agencies, etc. are all corrupt. Well here is the world corruption index:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corruption

Attempting to implicate the places were corruption is realtively minor with corruption on a scale worse than Iraq is quite frankly a shot in the dark. That being said there are corrupt people everywhere and in every organization.

Wide scale corruption = possible. Individual acts of corruption = probable.

EPO use in the peloton has been quite obvious. The number of positives over the past few years have belied any possibility of ignoring this. The scale of EPO use is however not something known. The claims of widespread drug use may thus raise to the level of probable with a sliding scale based on the magnitude of the problem.

Drug use in peloton = probable, and in cases of individual athletes remains either probable or proven based on an individual scale.

What I find most troubling is that Greg seems absolutely iblivious to the conseqyences of what he is doing. It is one thing to have suspicions, and quite another to make formal accussations in front of a world audience and then .... fail to produce supporting evidence. All of Greg's accussations vs. LA, and his continual accussations despite the court cases winding up the way they did point a finger back toward Greg. And now he is attacking the entire system, and cannot figure out why the system in ostracizing this obvious truth teller?

It's because the system requires proof. All the accussations in the world must still go before some kind of adjudicative authority, and all those authorities have rules. So when you make these fantastic claims, there is still aburden of proof to back it up. The system is not corrupt or broken simply because accussations do not immediately turn into convictions.

It is easy to criticize, and much, much harder to solve. If Greg wants to do something productive for the sport, he should try giving up criticism without proof and start developing solutions to the problems his 'inside' sources say exist.

Accussations and a victim mentality never solved anything Greg.

 

[Digger]

I would like to introduce Greg Lemond to a few words:

Possible.

Probable.

Proven.

I believe that Greg Lemond is also familiar with how a system works, in that he has gotten it right before. For example, during Floyd's arbitration hearing, when he made teh charge of threatening phone calls and attempts to silence - he backed it up with a phone number, time and date, and 'oh look' that phone number belongs to that guy right there.

I think Greg needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying before he opens his mouth. The sponsors are funding doping? All the sponsors that are requiring anti-doping clauses in their contracts and withdrawing or refusing to enter the sport because of doping.

We would place that accussation in the possible category.

THe UCI, WADA, National Agencies, etc. are all corrupt. Well here is the world corruption index:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corruption

Attempting to implicate the places were corruption is realtively minor with corruption on a scale worse than Iraq is quite frankly a shot in the dark. That being said there are corrupt people everywhere and in every organization.

Wide scale corruption = possible. Individual acts of corruption = probable.

EPO use in the peloton has been quite obvious. The number of positives over the past few years have belied any possibility of ignoring this. The scale of EPO use is however not something known. The claims of widespread drug use may thus raise to the level of probable with a sliding scale based on the magnitude of the problem.

Drug use in peloton = probable, and in cases of individual athletes remains either probable or proven based on an individual scale.

What I find most troubling is that Greg seems absolutely iblivious to the conseqyences of what he is doing. It is one thing to have suspicions, and quite another to make formal accussations in front of a world audience and then .... fail to produce supporting evidence. All of Greg's accussations vs. LA, and his continual accussations despite the court cases winding up the way they did point a finger back toward Greg. And now he is attacking the entire system, and cannot figure out why the system in ostracizing this obvious truth teller?

It's because the system requires proof. All the accussations in the world must still go before some kind of adjudicative authority, and all those authorities have rules. So when you make these fantastic claims, there is still aburden of proof to back it up. The system is not corrupt or broken simply because accussations do not immediately turn into convictions.

It is easy to criticize, and much, much harder to solve. If Greg wants to do something productive for the sport, he should try giving up criticism without proof and start developing solutions to the problems his 'inside' sources say exist.

Accussations and a victim mentality never solved anything Greg.

Unbelievable...........

 

[Digger]

I would like to introduce Greg Lemond to a few words:

Possible.

Probable.

Proven.

I believe that Greg Lemond is also familiar with how a system works, in that he has gotten it right before. For example, during Floyd's arbitration hearing, when he made teh charge of threatening phone calls and attempts to silence - he backed it up with a phone number, time and date, and 'oh look' that phone number belongs to that guy right there.

I think Greg needs to take a step back and think about what he is saying before he opens his mouth. The sponsors are funding doping? All the sponsors that are requiring anti-doping clauses in their contracts and withdrawing or refusing to enter the sport because of doping.

We would place that accussation in the possible category.

THe UCI, WADA, National Agencies, etc. are all corrupt. Well here is the world corruption index:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corruption

Attempting to implicate the places were corruption is realtively minor with corruption on a scale worse than Iraq is quite frankly a shot in the dark. That being said there are corrupt people everywhere and in every organization.

Wide scale corruption = possible. Individual acts of corruption = probable.

EPO use in the peloton has been quite obvious. The number of positives over the past few years have belied any possibility of ignoring this. The scale of EPO use is however not something known. The claims of widespread drug use may thus raise to the level of probable with a sliding scale based on the magnitude of the problem.

Drug use in peloton = probable, and in cases of individual athletes remains either probable or proven based on an individual scale.

What I find most troubling is that Greg seems absolutely iblivious to the conseqyences of what he is doing. It is one thing to have suspicions, and quite another to make formal accussations in front of a world audience and then .... fail to produce supporting evidence. All of Greg's accussations vs. LA, and his continual accussations despite the court cases winding up the way they did point a finger back toward Greg. And now he is attacking the entire system, and cannot figure out why the system in ostracizing this obvious truth teller?

It's because the system requires proof. All the accussations in the world must still go before some kind of adjudicative authority, and all those authorities have rules. So when you make these fantastic claims, there is still aburden of proof to back it up. The system is not corrupt or broken simply because accussations do not immediately turn into convictions.

It is easy to criticize, and much, much harder to solve. If Greg wants to do something productive for the sport, he should try giving up criticism without proof and start developing solutions to the problems his 'inside' sources say exist.

Accussations and a victim mentality never solved anything Greg.

Which ones???????????

 

[Anonymous]

Agree.

It would have been more polite to describe Greg as "Big-Boned"
or even better "Long-Thighed".

Who is that guy on the right in the fat white kit?

 

[Anonymous]

They're available for all skill levels; he's probably particularly fond of this one:

It's from Texas too...

Sorry, forgot to add: Scoreboard, Word, Out.

What does all this mean? "It's from Texas"?