Greg LeMond

[Moose McKnuckles]

An amazing number of anti-Lemond muppets have joined in July 2010.

Stuff like this gives Lemond even more credibility. If he were just a crazy old guy, nobody would bother.

 

[redtreviso]

It pains me to wish Lemond would go away as he was a hero of mine for so many years.

Maybe Lance doped maybe he didnt, who knows. Hes tested positive the same amount of times as Lemond which is why it bothers me so much that Lemond does this. The harder he pushes this, the more it makes me wonder if he was a doper himself. It makes me think of people such as Ted Haggard and Larry Craig who have no problem casting the first stone. I guess we'll never know in Lemonds case. The problem I have is all of his theories of people being guilty based on their wattage compared with his, or because they are associated with Dr Ferarri. While this certainly is cause for concern, it is not proof, therefore I have a big problem with how Lemond is handling this.

Lemond constantly makes insinuating comments about riders getting faster, going up climbs easier or producing more wattage than him. He says that the human race hasnt changed in the last 20 years and therefore they must be doping to get the results they are. Yet bravo to the new generation like Alberto and Andy that arent dopers, but wait, arent they going up the climbs faster and producing more wattage? It doesnt make any sense. And this is coming from a man that skirted the broom wagon at the 1989 TdT. When I think of Lemonds early season training, that image burns in my mind while when I think of Lance's early season training I think of riding up Hautacam 2x in 40 degree weather or swallowing thermometers to measure his body temp while riding on Kona.

I dont mean to make this a Lance vs Lemond thing, and yes I think Lemond does have some valid points, but his heresay conclusions make no sense to me. This obviously goes way past him just thinking Lance was a doper.

There was no transformation of LeMond in 89..He was a proven GT champion..Dopestrong on the other hand was in the escape group in front of the BROOM WAGON--and then.

 

[131313]

I talked to a mechanic years ago who worked for the 7-Eleven team who told me it was pretty common knowledge that Lemond doped.

correction: the 7-Eleven team mechanic claimed he was a recreational coke-head. He didn't actually claim he "doped". Yeah, I've heard him tell the story as well, as I'm sure have 100 other people.

If you'll remember, he rode the 1989 Giro and was getting dropped by everybody. In a time trial late in the race he placed highly after being given "iron" injections a day or two before. Nevermind that iron doesn't increase power and endurance, especially not in just a couple of days. So, what were these injections? I don't know.

You don't know, and neither do I. However, given that LeMond is the one who made the "iron injection" story public, that EPO use was in its infancy and that a single EPO injection 2 days before an event would be of questionable benefit anyway, my money is on "placebo" being the most active compound.

And neither does Greg know if Lance took anything. Maybe he did, but Lemond should just put a sock in it until he knows the facts.

He knows that Armstrong was working with Ferrari, and conveniently omitted all reference to the relationship until it was allegedly on film. How much more does he need to know? Why should he "put a sock in it"? What specifically has he said that is incorrect? p.s. "he's just bitter" isn't an answer.

 

[buckwheat]

Lemond said he was molested as a kid. I think he has mental issues due to that, so I won't say anything bad about him. He was a great champion in his day, but all this talk is ruining his legacy and his involvement in the sport.

I don't know if you've noticed but his involvement in the sport consists of burning the whole thing down in the hope it can reinvent itself clean.

His legacy will be that in addition to being a great champion, he will have been a huge factor in saving the sport.

 

[stephens]

Moose, whether the messages here are being posted by the same guy or by paid plants or not, some of the points are worth addressing no? face it, the usa is a society where those who are most vocal against something are often later proven to be guilty of what they claimed to be against. We see it time and time again with conservative family-value anti-gay politicians who are themselves gay and family-value politicians or preachers who get caught cheating or paying hookers or whatever.

Does Lemond fall into this type of personality? I don't know. But we have to admit that for a guy who technically should have no dog in the hunt, he is awfully over the top in his "participation". Is it out of guilt for his own actions? Or is he just trying to regain his reputation as the best american ever? I just can't figure out why he needs to place himself in the middle of all this.

 

[redtreviso]

Moose, whether the messages here are being posted by the same guy or by paid plants or not, some of the points are worth addressing no? face it, the usa is a society where those who are most vocal against something are often later proven to be guilty of what they claimed to be against. We see it time and time again with conservative family-value anti-gay politicians who are themselves gay and family-value politicians or preachers who get caught cheating or paying hookers or whatever.

Does Lemond fall into this type of personality? I don't know. But we have to admit that for a guy who technically should have no dog in the hunt, he is awfully over the top in his "participation". Is it out of guilt for his own actions? Or is he just trying to regain his reputation as the best american ever? I just can't figure out why he needs to place himself in the middle of all this.

Read LeMond's book where he talks about Fignon's tendon problems. LeMond has been consistent on the doping subject since long before Lance invented cycling in 1999.

 

[stephens]

Consistency? I'm sure all the gay and adulterous politicians and preachers were consistent in their message for decades as well. Perhaps the goal is a good one, but the means must count for something in life and I think we can support the goal and also point out irrational behavior when we see it.

 

[redtreviso]

Consistency? I'm sure all the gay and adulterous politicians and preachers were consistent in their message for decades as well. Perhaps the goal is a good one, but the means must count for something in life and I think we can support the goal and also point out irrational behavior when we see it.

Yes consistency.. The family values republicans real lifestyles are well known..They are chosen because of it..It just takes one call from the secret keeper/enforcer to whip them in line..This is by design..
Armstrong has more in common with these frauds.. Rah rah Lance,,but everyone knows..You need a special kind of blinder to watch Sestriere 99 and be a fan, unless you know nothing.
LeMond really isn't the anti doping crusader..He retired almost 20 years ago. Declaring war on him for ""If Armstrong's clean, it's the greatest comeback. And if he's not, then it's the greatest fraud.""" put him in the spotlight..

 

[ABRABR]

Peace, Greg

I haven't read much of what Lemond says so I don't know if it is typical, but that last blog post just shows me a man who is eternally jealous and envious of the fact that Lance Armstrong became bigger than he was despite him being the first American to win the Tour de France. Specifically he seems to use any opportunity to move towards the topic of LA and doping, and his comments about the new generation betray a naivete born of a subconscious attitude that, compared to the evil LA, all else is good.

I really feel bad for Lemond -- not because he has any reason not to hold his head up high, but because he can't seem to just relax and enjoy the glory of what he has done, as well as the glory of what others have done. I hope LA is cleared, because he is and has been a symbol to so many of triumph over adversity through hard work and dedication, but I hope that Lemond can somehow find peace in this case too. Because Lemond's problem is not really LA anyway. No amount of destruction of LA is going to get rid of the demons that attack him from inside. Lemond was a great hero and has done incalculable amounts of good for cycling, especially in the USA. I wish him better than he has been having.

 

[hrotha]

Well, Maurizio didn't win the WC by running it, you know.

Let's not get into how he won that WC.

 

[TheApuanCyclist]

Oh no!!!

Mr. LeMond is becoming the Glenn Beck of cycling!!!! Hearsay, hearsay, hearsay, hearsay....blithering hearsay!!! All delivered with the intellectual capacity of a toddler. That, fundamentally, is the problem with Greg. Imagine a toddler stomping his feet because no one will listen to him!!! It's useless and embarrassing to continue to present slanderous, circumstantial evidence. I am surprised he's not been sued for slander.

History will pass judgment..maybe sooner than later. But GL should just shut his idiotic trap and let authorities deal with it.

 

[TheFitnessFreak]

Is anyone else sick of Le'Mond ?

I love Cycling News, I am an avid supporter of drug free sport, but geez, I am so sick of reading his witch hunting accusations every single day. Its like he has a vendetta against Armstrong and anyone else associated with him...

Greg please, its enough, stick to supporting drug free sport, and stop the witch hunting, how long does it have to continue for, it puts more of a damper on things than actually letting the drug testers do their stuff and have their say.

Its 2010 now and we are still living in the 90's with you. Why dont you ask Senator Schwartzenegger what he used to win a number of Mr Olympias, and what about Carl Lewis and what about.......the list can go on.

really one can only read so much and then it just becomes a little bit of an overkill, time to move on.

 

[craig1985]

Sorry, you lose.

 

[tubularglue]

Is anyone else sick of Le'Mond ?

A. nope

I also don't believe in Santa Claus

 

[Anonymous]

Is anyone tired of one post douchebag assholes coming in and posting the same tired bullsh!t? I know I am.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Is anyone tired of one post douchebag assholes coming in and posting the same tired bullsh!t? I know I am.

Only 2 days before the Tour is over and the endless stream of trolls will end

 

[Fester]

Yes.

Greg LeMond:

+Cycling Legend
+Innovator
+Philanthropist
+Fitness Expert
+Ego Maniac

Does no one else see this?

 

[TheFitnessFreak]

I am not against Le'Mond or the truth, its just every single article and every post I have ever read of his has been anti-Armstrong, its just an over kill.

Landis on the other hand, wrote a book spent hundreds of thousands of US dollars on his court case to prove his innocence, and a lot of strange strange things happened there. I cant trust a word he says, I know Lemond is an upstanding guy, but he is trying to fuel a huge fire here and he relishes doing it, I guess thats the part I dislike.

As for being a newbie, not at all, just created a new user as old email does not exist and could not remember anything.

Not starting a war here guys, just debate, I am interested in everyones opinon.

 

[Anonymous]

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[nia O'Malley]

No, I'm not sick of LeMond.

Too many riders paid a high price for doping, and too many are going to still. Did you listen to Fignon? he's dying, plain and simple. How old is he?? How old was Pantani? If that doesn't break yourt heart you're a fool.

Cyclists keep swallowing/injectig stuff that has been untested and is unproven, or has been designed for horses or lab rats, in the elusive search for fame, or because a metaphorical gun has been put to their heads. Cyclists die of it, and it has to stop.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't heard LeMond half as much as he needs to be heard.


Nuff said.

 

[SpeedWay]

Versus TV channel couldn't broadcast their program 'Daily Line' so they ran footage from the Tour de France 2004, stage 17. Their was Lance following Floyd Landis' wheel in a small group with Jan Ulrich, who were leading by a minute over Richard Virenque. Strange, Ulrich was doping and finally admitted it, Virenque was exposed as a doper and couldn't deny it and Landis was caught and finally admitted it. It did make me wonder about Lance, how couldn't you after watching that footage?

Since the thread is about Lemond and I know you can't help yourself from hijacking it, so I'll help you bring it back front and center. Do you at least wonder about Lemond after the veritable confession of doping by Fignon and the positive on Delgado? Or are you just another one missing a finger like the other agenda driven haters around here?

 

[MinusOne]

Actually Delgado never came up positive,,,at least good thing for him it wasn't the olympics. and yes he used Record C..

Delgado did use Record C, like pretty much every top pro team did at the time. However, he did test positive for probenecid, a steroid masking agent. The news came out during the tour in 1988, the one Delgado won.
The only reason it wasn't considered a positive was that the drug was not on the UCI list although it was on the IOC list.

Indurain tested positive for Salbutamol in at the Tour de L'Oise in May 1994 but was not sanctioned because although it was banned by France's sporting authority it was not banned in other countries including Spain.

 

[Entilza]

Resting on Laurels

so greg lemond was who inspired me to ride a bike fast, (relative to my buddies, that is); and so i was blown away that he won the tdf 3 times; and i was sad that he was unable to continue his career after, well i don't really know why he stopped; but given that he has put in the fastest itt in tdf history, shouldn't he be accusing himself of having doped?

 

[TopCarbon]

Lance has a better marketing team now compared to Lemond back then


Surviving cancer is much more glamorous than being shot in the chest by your brother in law.

(I do not intend to take away the courage of those who have survived cancer or who have lost a loved one to cancer)

 

[hrotha]

so greg lemond was who inspired me to ride a bike fast, (relative to my buddies, that is); and so i was blown away that he won the tdf 3 times; and i was sad that he was unable to continue his career after, well i don't really know why he stopped; but given that he has put in the fastest itt in tdf history, shouldn't he be accusing himself of having doped?

Downhill ITT.