Guilty until proven innocent

[Ferminal]

Why are cyclists guilty of doping until proven innocent? Take Michael Rasmussen for example; did he ever actually fail a drug test?

Also doping controls are out of control, they can’t be trusted. Take Floyd Landis’s case for example (http://www.cbass.com/FloydLandis.htm); there are too many irregularities. In a U.S. court of law his case would have been thrown out.

The doping problem in cycling is not with the cyclists. It is with anti-doping agencies around the world.

In soccer, players caught doping, are banned for life. Cyclists should be as well, but we need an anti-doping agency that we can trust!

You probably shouldn't have mentioned Flandis...

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=5442

We're all sorry for where he is today, but he doped, he tested positive, and he created the circus of denial.

 

[Delicato]

Rasmussen also retroactively tested positive for R-epo. So much for that theory....

Wasn't it Dynepo (or it is the same thing)?

 

[Escarabajo]

I smell a Troll here. His tone and writing are very suspicious. Although there has been some good info towards the end. Everything else we already know. I just don't understand how somebody that is a fan of cycling didn't know that a Tour de France champion lied about his whereabouts.

 

[Deagol]

This guy is harder to kill than Rasputin. "Ignore" is your friend.

are you saying Stealth is the latest incarnation of Arbiter ???

my hunch agrees with that.....

 

[D Avoid]

Proven guilt edged innocence is where all is at this year.

 

[fatterboy]

My point proven!

Guilty until proven innocent, or maybe guitly in Rasmussen's case, or maybe a test was manipulated because someone needed to safe face for making him serve a 2 year ban.

Either way Rassmussen was sentenced before he was proven guilty, why is that? Wether or not he was doping isnt the point.

he doped his team knew he doped and he was kicked off the team so it could save face with the sponcer .

 

[brianf7]

Guys the biggest problem was raised by a lawyer last week Cycling should not have that wording in your application form.


Agree to use CAS and not your countrys legal system.

The dont stand a chance in a Westminister system.

You can appeal CAS if you can find a way around to make a constitutional isue that is out of bounds to CAS.

 

[Angliru]

That's my point. Shouldn't we have to prove, I mean really prove that someone is guilty? When will this witch hunt end? When will tampered doping tests be a thing of the past?

He was essentially guilty of dodging the testers. By doing so he raised suspicions that he was doing so to avoid getting caught. I'm no expert on doping but as I understand it some of the methods/products used can
be cleared out of one's system in a matter of days. Also if one were to look at his performance at that year's Tour, specifically his dramatic improvement in the ITT, add this improvement to his dodging the testers and you have a recipe for disaster, a fate of his own creation.

This was not some wet behind the ears neo-pro or 2nd year pro. This was a veteran quite familiar with the requirements of his chosen profession. He purposely was one place while leaving info that he was somewhere else. Dude wasn't even in the same hemisphere! His suspension was earned. He's paid his dues and deserves a new start. He just needs to stop playing the victim and get on with his careeer in whatever form is presented to him.

One more thing. He's obviously a self-centered a55. As I recall while he was being driven away after being officially pulled from the Tour by his Rabobank team, I rememberl him being quoted as saying that he felt such despair that he thought about grabbing the wheel of the vehicle and steering it off a cliff. Nevermind that he wasn't the only person in the car. This always stuck with me.

 

[pedaling squares]

This guy is harder to kill than Rasputin. "Ignore" is your friend.

That's what I was thinking when I read this junk. 'Stealth' probably means I'll create an account in October and won't use it until well after I've been banned for the 10th time.

 

[auscyclefan94]

He was essentially guilty of dodging the testers. By doing so he raised suspicions that he was doing so to avoid getting caught. I'm no expert on doping but as I understand it some of the methods/products used can
be cleared out of one's system in a matter of days. Also if one were to look at his performance at that year's Tour, specifically his dramatic improvement in the ITT, add this improvement to his dodging the testers and you have a recipe for disaster, a fate of his own creation.

This was not some wet behind the ears neo-pro or 2nd year pro. This was a veteran quite familiar with the requirements of his chosen profession. He purposely was one place while leaving info that he was somewhere else. Dude wasn't even in the same hemisphere! His suspension was earned. He's paid his dues and deserves a new start. He just needs to stop playing the victim and get on with his careeer in whatever form is presented to him.

One more thing. He's obviously a self-centered a55. As I recall while he was being driven away after being officially pulled from the Tour by his Rabobank team, I rememberl him being quoted as saying that he felt such despair that he thought about grabbing the wheel of the vehicle and steering it off a cliff. Nevermind that he wasn't the only person in the car. This always stuck with me.

+1

He will earn himself a lot of fans if he is open about what he was doing and what was happening in rabobank. The way he flew past Valverde in the Albi time trial was astounding. He caught for two minutes and past the guy easily. Valverde is not 2 minutes 15 worse time trialist than Rasmussen at all.

 

[python]

Lazio then carried out their own tests on all their players and the results from a laboratory in Milan were all negative

testing for nandrolone had problems...wada did not hide it. id be very careful blaming any lab or any athlete before i examine the specific circumstances.

 

[blaxland]

he doped his team knew he doped and he was kicked off the team so it could save face with the sponcer .

Sorry fanboy,his only crime was his wereabouts....and he recieved a two year ban for that....

 

[red_flanders]

My point proven!

Guilty until proven innocent, or maybe guitly in Rasmussen's case, or maybe a test was manipulated because someone needed to safe face for making him serve a 2 year ban.

Either way Rassmussen was sentenced before he was proven guilty, why is that? Wether or not he was doping isnt the point.

He missed 4 doping controls. It's a violation equal to doping. He violated the doping rules, which exist for a very good reason. If you can just dodge the tests, they are pointless.

The fact that he later tested positive indicates little except to confirm why the rules exist. No one had to cover anything--the violation was clear.

 

[craig1985]

Rio Ferdinand of Manchester United failed to attend a drugs test in 2003 and was latter given 8 months to cool his heals on the sidelines. He wasn't fired or anything like that.

 

[Big GMaC]

That's what I was thinking when I read this junk. 'Stealth' probably means I'll create an account in October and won't use it until well after I've been banned for the 10th time.

i was scrolling down to say the same thing...

 

[Big GMaC]

Rio Ferdinand of Manchester United failed to attend a drugs test in 2003 and was latter given 8 months to cool his heals on the sidelines. He wasn't fired or anything like that.

i think he failed to go to 3 in a row a la ohurughou (spelling?), and everyone was like, oh hes busy all the time, honest mistake... ha. yeah

(sry for d-post)

 

[fatterboy]

Sorry fanboy,his only crime was his wereabouts....and he recieved a two year ban for that....

correct and why would you be in one place and tell people your going to be somewhere else?

Every one knows where Lance is all the time and he is surrpost to be the biggest doper on the plant in some peoples mind.

Not a fan of Lance.

 

[Galic Ho]

Why are cyclists guilty of doping until proven innocent? Take Michael Rasmussen for example; did he ever actually fail a drug test?

Also doping controls are out of control, they can’t be trusted. Take Floyd Landis’s case for example (http://www.cbass.com/FloydLandis.htm); there are too many irregularities. In a U.S. court of law his case would have been thrown out.

The doping problem in cycling is not with the cyclists. It is with anti-doping agencies around the world.

In soccer, players caught doping, are banned for life. Cyclists should be as well, but we need an anti-doping agency that we can trust!

Get lost and come back when you can read, listen and remember. The final court case was in a US court. Did that skip your attention. Floyd was nailed by the USADA. Good work genius.

How many times is this guy allowed back onto the forums? Every week a new username.

 

[El Imbatido]

How many times is this guy allowed back onto the forums? Every week a new username.

I don't think it is BPC because this was originally posted in the Professional road section.

 

[Hugh Januss]

correct and why would you be in one place and tell people your going to be somewhere else?

Every one knows where Lance is all the time and he is surrpost to be the biggest doper on the plant in some peoples mind.

Not a fan of Lance.

Every so often though he has got to take a shower first, or make sure the testers have plenty of coffee before starting work.

 

[HelmutRoole]

Get lost and come back when you can read, listen and remember...

How many times is this guy allowed back onto the forums? Every week a new username.

I find his latest handle suspicious: Stealth is an underground steroid supplier.

 

[fatterboy]

Every so often though he has got to take a shower first, or make sure the testers have plenty of coffee before starting work.

too true lets not forget the donation to the uci

 

[fatterboy]

Why are cyclists guilty of doping until proven innocent? Take Michael Rasmussen for example; did he ever actually fail a drug test?

Also doping controls are out of control, they can’t be trusted. Take Floyd Landis’s case for example (http://www.cbass.com/FloydLandis.htm); there are too many irregularities. In a U.S. court of law his case would have been thrown out.

The doping problem in cycling is not with the cyclists. It is with anti-doping agencies around the world.

In soccer, players caught doping, are banned for life. Cyclists should be as well, but we need an anti-doping agency that we can trust!

Jan and Basso never failed a test either yet they got band

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Jan and Basso never failed a test either yet they got band

NOt quite true.

Ullrich tested positive for amphetamines in 2002 and was suspended for six months.

He has never been banned for Operacion Puerto. He was suspended and released by his team, and retired, but he has never been officially sanctioned, although the Swiss cycling federation claims to be still working on an investigation.

Susan

 

[D Avoid]

Jan and Basso never failed a test either yet they got band

I have yet to face their music.