Have your attitude towards Froome changed after the Tour?

[slosada]

What's the need to wash Froome's image or to impose him as the new savior?
I mean sport stars are representing a country or team, and people not necessarily swap their icons once they are beaten (some neutral viewers can even take side with the weaker)
A top sportsman/woman can struggle to win or do it with a huge advantage, but it doesn't mean everyone is going to love them.
A leader can have funny quotes or can be serious, and it doesn't mean I like him/her, and some people can be really sensitive on how the stars react to wins and losses.
And in cycling this generation has to deal with a shadow coming from the last two decades.
Having said that, I prefer his racing style over Wiggins, on the other hand there are somethings about Sky and Froome's story that I don't like too much.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Let's summarize.

All the Brits want to have Froome's children. All the Contador haters want sloppy seconds.

I'm guessing the lot of you either slept through the Armstrong era or weren't "into cycling" back then.

 

[karlboss]

My feelings haven't changed at all. Honestly if your feelings have changed, I'd be asking what you were watching to form your opinion.

 

[hfer07]

Perhaps isn't about Froome alone- is what he in combination with the Sky BS are doing with cycling....
If his win wasn't that dominant, then yes, I believe it could have changed, but just the fact alone of his arrogant defiance against Quintana & Contador hidden behind humble & cheap phrases composed by the Sky PR simply does not help liking him a bit....

 

[airstream]

Lol, you are maniacs guys. Only mad people can not recognize Armstrong and Froome and recognize Contador.

Anyway point 4 in the poll is a key one. To beat Contador & Quintana in such an arrogant manner is such a big sin... Uff... Actually I hope some of you will be able to forgive Froome for that one day...

 

[bedders50]

Poll

Rubbish poll.

Why not add in 'Froome's a cheat because I say so' and be done with it??

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, you are maniacs guys. Only mad people can not recognize Armstrong and Froome and recognize Contador.

Anyway point 4 in the poll is a key one. To beat Contador & Quintana in such an arrogant manner is such a big sin... Uff... Actually I hope some of you will be able to forgive Froome for that one day...

Jesus christ airstream. Don't you see that almost no one voted for option 4?

 

[del1962]

Perhaps isn't about Froome alone- is what he in combination with the Sky BS are doing with cycling....
If his win wasn't that dominant, then yes, I believe it could have changed, but just the fact alone of his arrogant defiance against Quintana & Contador hidden behind humble & cheap phrases composed by the Sky PR simply does not help liking him a bit....

That makes no sense, arrogant = humble?

You seem to have a fixed position of Froome and you wont let the facts get in the way

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I am now a believer of what he is preaching.

 

[RownhamHill]

Why is there no option that says

Yes, I had more respect before TdF, but not sure anymore

I think the OP assumed that people may not shift from liking Froome to disliking Froome.

This. Don't really know why, as I've no real reason not to like the guy, and I'm generally supportive of Sky riders as a default (which in itself is nuts, but there you go), but I wasn't tremendously excited by his tour win - didn't like all the nonsense before with Wiggins, didn't like the 'professional foul' with the gel, and just generally wasn't feeling it.

Lol, you are maniacs guys. Only mad people can not recognize Armstrong and Froome and recognize Contador.

Oooo that explains it, I must be mad. Airstream has spoken!

 

[airstream]

Jesus christ airstream. Don't you see that almost no one voted for option 4?

Hell, they vote 4 'cos they hesitate to vote 5, because that option sounds childish and stupid. However, exactly 4 is a prime cause of 5 for many cases.

2 things eat people and make them blind. Hatred and jealosy. Sure many people passionately wanted Contador to win just because it would crown one's era and would be legitimate in their view. They don't f**cking care that others train a lot, work a lot, want to win a lot too. All they need is everything would happen like they want. Grievance rules these guys... So they vote for point 5. The reasons are very absurd.

The man won in the most spectacular fashion since 2004 I guess but people vote for 'shame of cycling'. Is it an opinion of a judicious person? Is it an opinion of an adequate cycling fan? Of course not. It is either spoilt kids or ****ed-off losers

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hell, they vote 4 'cos they hesitate to vote 5, because that option sounds childish and stupid. However, exactly 4 is a prime cause of 5 for many cases.

2 things eat people and make them blind. Hatred and jealosy. Sure many people passionately wanted Contador to win just because it would crown one's era and would be legitimate in their view. They don't f**cking care that others train a lot, work a lot, want to win a lot too. All they need is everything would happen like they want. Grievance rules these guys... So they vote for point 5. The reasons are very absurd.

The man won in the most spectacular fashion since 2004 I guess but people vote for 'shame of cycling'. Is it an opinion of a judicious person? Is it an opinion of an adequate cycling fan? Of course not. It is either spoilt kids or ****ed-off losers

I consider this post an insult. Mods.

 

[Jux1893]

There needs to be another option.

He changed my mind, since before the Tour I thought he was a clean rider. That changed after the first ITT.

 

[airstream]

I consider this post an insult. Mods.

I say you directly 'you are not a serious person' hence it is impossible to talk about cycling to you seriously. It is a big insult I know...

 

[phanatic]

He used to look thin to me, but now I find him, simply two-dimensional.

 

[burning]

There needs to be another option.

He changed my mind, since before the Tour I thought he was a clean rider. That changed after the first ITT.

I still remember Tony's reactions, these 15-20 minutes must be the one of the worst moments of his live

 

[LaFlorecita]

I say you directly 'you are not a serious person' hence it is impossible to talk about cycling to you seriously. It is a big insult I know...

I am incredibly serious. You don't know me. Stop acting like you do.

 

[airstream]

I wish Froome had won that TT. Probably it would have made some fans to look at the things sensibly instead of constant cooking up what normal and not normal in your view. Guys I'm a bit sorry for some of you. You just exchanged your personal sympathies for reality and didn't notice it. If rightfulness of anything is measured by one's preferences it is called anarchy. Everything we have with Froome is evil unsubstantiated cynical antipathy. I dislike Contador but I never questioned rightfulness of his titles. You've gone further... You are not able to handle the things in semitones... Only black and white in your heads. Contador beating Cancellara is ok. Contador getting 3rd place in the Giro TT is ok. But Froome (while being the second unconditional TT fav) losing to Martin is a crime...

IMO you just desperately run away for actuality because there's Froome, who won the Tour so spectacularly as Contador [even Contador of 9 & 11) only could dream of, in actuality and surely it hurts... It hurts because it was a miserable Keniyan who has no talent, style, pedigree, guts; he's not a natural climber certainly lol etc etc etc. I understand it aches but it's reality you hid from it since the 2012 Tour by and large and today it's impossible to keep hiding. However, you are not hurried to do this because you still have a chance to Catch at a straw and question fairness of Froome's win and naturally say 'NO'. To be sure since it's impossible to smash Contador legally... ) Yes, I call this way of reasoning childish and I'm sorry if it offends anyone.


Btw, where is Siriuscat? He vowed that Contador would win the Tour.

 

[Jux1893]

I wish Froome had won that TT. Probably it would have made some fans to look at the things sensibly instead of constant cooking up what normal and not normal in your view. Guys I'm a bit sorry for some of you. You just exchanged your personal sympathies for reality and didn't notice it. If rightfulness of anything is measured by one's preferences it is called anarchy. Everything we have with Froome is evil unsubstantiated cynical antipathy. I dislike Contador but I never questioned rightfulness of his titles. You've gone further... You are not able to handle the things in semitones... Only black and white in your heads. Contador beating Cancellara is ok. Contador getting 3rd place in the Giro TT is ok. But Froome (while being the second unconditional TT fav) losing to Martin is a crime...

IMO you just desperately run away for actuality because there's Froome, who won the Tour so spectacularly as Contador [even Contador of 9 & 11) only could dream of, in actuality and surely it hurts... It hurts because it was a miserable Keniyan who has no talent, style, pedigree, guts; he's not a natural climber certainly lol etc etc etc. I understand it aches but it's reality you hid from it since the 2012 Tour by and large and today it's impossible to keep hiding. However, you are not hurried to do this because you still have a chance to Catch at a straw and question fairness of Froome's win and naturally say 'NO'. To be sure since it's impossible to smash Contador legally... ) Yes, I call this way of reasoning childish and I'm sorry if it offends anyone.


Btw, where is Siriuscat? He vowed that Contador would win the Tour.

Hey airstream, troll much?

 

[Carols]

I consider this post an insult. Mods.

Why don't you just put him on ignore? And Please stop quoting him, he's just baiting as usual!!!

 

[oldcrank]

I wish Froome had won that TT. Probably it would have made some fans to look at the things sensibly instead of constant cooking up what normal and not normal in your view. Guys I'm a bit sorry for some of you. You just exchanged your personal sympathies for reality and didn't notice it. If rightfulness of anything is measured by one's preferences it is called anarchy. Everything we have with Froome is evil unsubstantiated cynical antipathy. I dislike Contador but I never questioned rightfulness of his titles. You've gone further... You are not able to handle the things in semitones... Only black and white in your heads. Contador beating Cancellara is ok. Contador getting 3rd place in the Giro TT is ok. But Froome (while being the second unconditional TT fav) losing to Martin is a crime...

IMO you just desperately run away for actuality because there's Froome, who won the Tour so spectacularly as Contador [even Contador of 9 & 11) only could dream of, in actuality and surely it hurts... It hurts because it was a miserable Keniyan who has no talent, style, pedigree, guts; he's not a natural climber certainly lol etc etc etc. I understand it aches but it's reality you hid from it since the 2012 Tour by and large and today it's impossible to keep hiding. However, you are not hurried to do this because you still have a chance to Catch at a straw and question fairness of Froome's win and naturally say 'NO'. To be sure since it's impossible to smash Contador legally... ) Yes, I call this way of reasoning childish and I'm sorry if it offends anyone.


Btw, where is Siriuscat? He vowed that Contador would win the Tour.

Excellent post. I hope you don't get banned for telling the truth
and/or refusing to toe the line.

 

[oldcrank]

Guys I'm a bit sorry for some of you. You just exchanged your personal sympathies for reality and didn't notice it.

You, my friend, are an excellent wordsmith. Well written, mate.

 

[airstream]

You, my friend, are an excellent wordsmith. Well written, mate.

Sorry, I'm extremely weak at grasping irony and sarcasm. What does wordsmith have got to do with that?

 

[hiero2]

Hell, they vote 4 'cos they hesitate to vote 5, because that option sounds childish and stupid. However, exactly 4 is a prime cause of 5 for many cases.
. . .
The man won in the most spectacular fashion since 2004 I guess but people vote for 'shame of cycling'. Is it an opinion of a judicious person? Is it an opinion of an adequate cycling fan? Of course not. It is either spoilt kids or ****ed-off losers

In direct response - this is not a good thing to say. It is ok to say "I don't think this is a judicious/rational conclusion". It is not really ok to call other people names, such as "spoilt kids etc". You are narrowly over a line on this. I leave it up as an example, since it is, imo, pretty mild.

I, for instance, fall into the group of people who do not like that Froome won. But, this brings me to another point - your poll is rather poorly constructed. Your choices do not leave sufficient room for many ppl to answer. Notice, as validation of what I say, that most of your initial responses in this thread complained of a lack of sufficient choice.

Now, I wanted Froome to lose, and Contador to win - but not because of any such reasoning as belongs in the Clinic. There are plenty of people who have jumped on that bandwagon - but you don't need to beat that horse so much. Also, if "that horse" shows his nose around here too much, the thread will have to change stables to the one where "stuff" is allowed.

I consider this post an insult. Mods.

I understand. It is pretty mild, tho, and LaFlo, you are quite capable of taking care of yourself. I've seen you do it many a time, and I certainly respect your capacity in that regard.

 

[Angliru]

Sorry, I'm extremely weak at grasping irony and sarcasm. What does wordsmith have got to do with that?

I'm pretty sure you're being paid a compliment and not being ridiculed.