Hell Has Frozen Over: Lance "Considering" Admitting Guilt

[mastersracer]

You are not only wrong, but are engaging in a line of intellectually dishonest discourse that I find astounding.

Your premise is based on what science, exactly? What studies can you quote that makes your assertion true?

Doping absolutely allows you to train harder, and thus a rider can become faster than someone who is carrying the same training load who is not doping.

You know this, you're just trying to be obtuse.

You're either crazy, or attempting to defend an agenda. Which one is it?

The only thing you've revealed is that you don't know even the most fundamental differences between a steroid and PEDs such as EPO.

 

[CobbleStoner]

He has no record, he has been wiped of the cycling map. Everything he has said has been lies. His training was doped more than anyone else as he had pre warning for OOC testing, UCI in his pocket. His whole career was one big dope fest. His career is not worthy of discussion in any realistic sporting sense.

To continue to think that he won TdF's shows how ridiculous your posts are.

Only the blind consider Armstrong a winner. he was the biggest loser in the history of sport.

no, you are wrong. he was the one who finished every stage with the lowest cumulative time, it happened, cheating or not, he won, the past is something you can not change just by saying it didn't happen, and until USADA can build a time machine, go back and take him out of the race before the last stage, he won, I saw it with my own eyes. the record books may say he was disqualified post race, but in reality, he still won.
I am certainly not a fanboy, I hate Lance (and most other tri-geeks that get into cycling) I especially hate how the American media wouldn't cover any race he wasn't in, like cycling didn't exist without him. I am a huge LeMond and Andy Hampsten fan, and I hated that Lance tried to diminish them. I wanted anybody else to win those Tours
once again, you are talking about two different things, being 'a winner' is much different than winning a specific race.
one last thing, if his career is not worthy of discussion, why are you posting about it?

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Gotta laugh at the nonsense Wonderboy is spewing on Strava. Desperate for attention.

http://app.strava.com/athletes/125154

A typical teenager's response. I'm guessing Lance offered Tygart a fact-light confession and Tygart rejected it.

 

[Race Radio]

no, you are wrong. he was the one who finished every stage with the lowest cumulative time, it happened, cheating or not, he won, the past is something you can not change just by saying it didn't happen, and until USADA can build a time machine, go back and take him out of the race before the last stage, he won, I saw it with my own eyes. the record books may say he was disqualified post race, but in reality, he still won.

And Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon

 

[peloton]

no, you are wrong. he was the one who finished every stage with the lowest cumulative time, it happened, cheating or not, he won, the past is something you can not change just by saying it didn't happen, and until USADA can build a time machine, go back and take him out of the race before the last stage, he won, I saw it with my own eyes. the record books may say he was disqualified post race, but in reality, he still won.

Sorry Stoner, but in today's reality, he didn't, only in your memory.

 

[D-Queued]

And Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon

Exactly the analogy I had been thinking of.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Juliet on NPR

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ng-and-the-usada-might-gain-from-a-confession

Says Lance met with Travis

 

[Neworld]

Gotta laugh at the nonsense Wonderboy is spewing on Strava. Desperate for attention.

http://app.strava.com/athletes/125154

ask alex zulle, jan ulrich, joseba beloki, ivan basso, and andreas kloden how many tours i have... and if that doesnt please you then ask the 200 guys in those "7" pelotons.

I would love to ask those guys...now that they know how doped you were Lance.
-your 4-5 RBC taps vs their 2
-your synthetic RBC vs none for them
-your low natural HCT and hyper-response to EPO.
-your buying off the UCI/ASO, and turning on fellow riders (Tyler, Floyd, Operation P)

Trying learning to spell Ullrich first. Has anyone asked Ulle if his stress disorder has suddenly lifted, and been replaced with unstoppable laughter?

 

[Oldman]

no, you are wrong. he was the one who finished every stage with the lowest cumulative time, it happened, cheating or not, he won, the past is something you can not change just by saying it didn't happen, and until USADA can build a time machine, go back and take him out of the race before the last stage, he won, I saw it with my own eyes. the record books may say he was disqualified post race, but in my tormented, delusional reality, he still won.I am certainly not a fanboy, I hate Lance (and most other tri-geeks that get into cycling) I especially hate how the American media wouldn't cover any race he wasn't in, like cycling didn't exist without him. I am a huge LeMond and Andy Hampsten fan, and I hated that Lance tried to diminish them. I wanted anybody else to win those Tours
once again, you are talking about two different things, being 'a winner' is much different than winning a specific race.
one last thing, if his career is not worthy of discussion, why are you posting about it?

You left out a few words...

 

[autologous]

never mind

 

[Merckx index]

Here's an idea for LA's confession. Tell the world that Bruyneel and Ferrari doped him without his knowledge or consent. Like this poor guy:

Polish world heavyweight title challenger, Mariusz Wach, has admitted to using an unidentified performing enhancing drug for his bout with IBF/WBO/WBA titlist, Wladimir Klitschko last November in Hamburg, Germany.

The confession, issued during an interview with the Polish website, Gazeta Krakowska, comes amid rumors regarding the 6' 7" fighter and possible use of a banned substance. The boxer, however, is asserting his innocence and claiming that he was given illegal performance enhancers by those involved in his training…

"Doping was poured into my system for a long time," Wach told Gazeta Krakowska. "My suspicions fall on the coaches. I plan to conduct my own investigation, but won't make the results public. In addition to the two of my coaches, a large number of other specialists helped me to prepare for the bout. And I really don't know what they've been doing exactly.

 

[Benotti69]

no, you are wrong.

Check the record books.

he was the one who finished every stage with the lowest cumulative time, it happened, cheating or not, he won,

He cheated got caught which nullified his winning. He is a loser.

the past is something you can not change just by saying it didn't happen, and until USADA can build a time machine, go back and take him out of the race before the last stage, he won, I saw it with my own eyes.

This is so immature. What you saw as a baby and didn't understand all became clear as you grow. Your statement is that of someone who has not grown to accept the cheater got caught and stripped. Want me to ring your Mom?

the record books may say he was disqualified post race, but in reality, he still won.

If you can go back in time to the place before the USADA decision, yes he won, but that is the past. Now he has been stripped of all wins from August 1998 and IOC stripped him of his Olympic Bronze. If we could live in the past he won but we live in the now and he has been stripped. To argue otherwise is pointless.

I am certainly not a fanboy, I hate Lance (and most other tri-geeks that get into cycling)

Generally when a poster feels the need to state this they are lying.

I especially hate how the American media wouldn't cover any race he wasn't in, like cycling didn't exist without him. I am a huge LeMond and Andy Hampsten fan, and I hated that Lance tried to diminish them.

The best thing you could do is to get a grip on reality and realise that Armstrong doped more than anyone else with the help of UCI/ASO to win but those wins have been nullified and stripped. Your argument is of someone who robbed a bank lat week got caught this week but gets to keep the money becuase he robbed it last week and there is nothing you can do about it. Nope that is not the reality.

I wanted anybody else to win those Tours

No one won those tours and sadly the sport of cycling and the fans are the biggest loser and by you keeping on stating that Armstrong won those tours is not doing the sport of cycling any good.

once again, you are talking about two different things, being 'a winner' is much different than winning a specific race.
one last thing, if his career is not worthy of discussion, why are you posting about it?

He won in the past but in the present those wins were taken away due to his doping. So now in the present reality he did not win those.

His career as a doper is worthy of discussion and to continue to point out to people who dont get 'it', Armstrong is the greatest sporting fraud ever, a bully, a cheat, a doper and most probably a sociopath and this is what is worth discussing so enough people understand that dopers and cheaters get caught and stripped even those with huge financial resources and where their cheating has been enabled by those who are charged with preventing the cheating.This is why the Armstrong threads will continue not to discuss his ability, which was ok, but his doping, which was off the scale in everyway possible for the time.

 

[CobbleStoner]

And Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon

that is not a very accurate analogy, she did not complete the course, so she couldn't have won. if Lance would have done that, it would have been easy to catch him.
Lance still pedaled every stroke, doped to the gills, but he rode it, beat the tests and and everybody else in the races.

so Bennatti, let's say your wife was pregnant and ready to deliver, on the way to the hospital you rolled through a stop sign. A week later you get a letter from the police saying they have you on video rolling the stop sign, since that is illegal, your trip to the hospital now didn't happen, are going to believe them?

 

[Tom375]

that is not a very accurate analogy, she did not complete the course, so she couldn't have won. if Lance would have done that, it would have been easy to catch him.
Lance still pedaled every stroke, doped to the gills, but he rode it, beat the tests and and everybody else in the races.

so Bennatti, let's say your wife was pregnant and ready to deliver, on the way to the hospital you rolled through a stop sign. A week later you get a letter from the police saying they have you on video rolling the stop sign, since that is illegal, your trip to the hospital now didn't happen, are going to believe them?

To this day she maintains she did complete the course.. To this day lance maintains he won 7 TDF's...

 

[Race Radio]

that is not a very accurate analogy, she did not complete the course, so she couldn't have won.

She says she completed the course. She was the victim of a witch hunt. I like her creditablity

 

[Tom375]

She says she completed the course. She was the victim of a witch hunt. I like her creditablity

Her credibility is impeccable she went on to embezzle $60,000 from her employers and then got arrested for a coke deal in Florida.

p.s. thanks for posting Ruiz story wasn't"t aware of it. Also didn't Garin win the 1904 TDF by taking a train?

 

[purcell]

Gotta laugh at the nonsense Wonderboy is spewing on Strava. Desperate for attention.

http://app.strava.com/athletes/125154



I would love to ask those guys...now that they know how doped you were Lance.
-your 4-5 RBC taps vs their 2
-your synthetic RBC vs none for them
-your low natural HCT and hyper-response to EPO.
-your buying off the UCI/ASO, and turning on fellow riders (Tyler, Floyd, Operation P)

Trying learning to spell Ullrich first. Has anyone asked Ulle if his stress disorder has suddenly lifted, and been replaced with unstoppable laughter?

That is pretty funny stuff. S now he spends his time trolling the comments on Strava to make himself feel relevant. No come down there.

 

[veganrob]

This is all so hilarious. Lance spent his entire life abusing the average person and trying to show how superior he was and now that he has been knocked off his pedestal he wants to be one of us. Through Strava no less. He doesn't want to get too close though. What an effing loser he is.

 

[Benotti69]

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so Bennatti, let's say your wife was pregnant and ready to deliver, on the way to the hospital you rolled through a stop sign. A week later you get a letter from the police saying they have you on video rolling the stop sign, since that is illegal, your trip to the hospital now didn't happen, are going to believe them?

I get a fine, I pay the fine. That is life.

I am not going to lie about doing something illegal and use my wife's pregnancy as justification for my wrong doing.

Armstrong got caught he was not fined but he was stripped. The stripping nullifies his wins. That is how sport works.

That is how sport works. Everytime I see Armstrong I associate him with doping, cheating and bullying, the last thing I associate Armstrong is with winning. He is not considered a winner he is considered a cheater, a doper, a fraud, a liar, a bully and most of all a coward.

If cycling fans do not think along similar lines then I would suggest there is something wrong with they manner in which they view the sport. One can not consider Armstrong a winner. His actions in sport have proven him to be anything but a winner. We are talking about sport, remember that.

 

[D-Queued]

This is all so hilarious. Lance spent his entire life abusing the average person and trying to show how superior he was and now that he has been knocked off his pedestal he wants to be one of us. Through Strava no less. He doesn't want to get too close though. What an effing loser he is.

I did check out his Strava site, though had to laugh at all of the other Lance Armstrongs out there.

In his most recent endeavour, he collected a CR during a run. Even dopers need trophies.

The best part was when I checked the leader board for that segment. There was only one participant, Lance himself.

Anyone can add a segment.

But, scooping a CR/KOM on a monopolized segment, while almost certainly still doping - while using Strava as a self-promotion vehicle - then having fanboys and girls gush ('show us your legs Lance...'*) all over it?

Now that is the kind of behavior you can from someone who would cheat their way to seven TdFs.

Dave.

*Was that you CobbleStoner?

 

[MarkvW]

Sports is supposed to be about playing by the rules. The rules say that when a rider is disqualified the win goes to the next place rider. That didn't happen in this case. Why didn't it happen? Because the rules don't mean anything in pro cycling. Pro cycling is a joke. Better to laugh at the circus than to take it seriously.

Floyd's ride to Morzine gave me a huge charge when it happened. Nothing is going to nullify that vicarious experience. Same with Armstrong's win on Plateau de Beilles. Now, I'm sure those rides were drug-saturated, but that present knowledge doesn't diminish the experience I had at the time of the race. It's not like I'm going to edit my memories to make them conform to some bizarre standard.

The past experiences have colored my present view of the sport, though. Now I am completely convinced that cycling is a filthy doped up circus. The "clean" riders, if there are any, are marginalized and are tasked with supporting and whitewashing the entire filthy enterprise.

I'm not going to rag on Cobblestoner for thinking Lance "won" his Tours. The sport is so messed up that it doesn't matter who wins or loses. It's just a filthy circus that's fun to watch. The only thing that matters is whether or not Kolobdnev gets his money in the end.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

To me, the simple fact that Armstrong contacted Tygart and floated this confession balloon is an act of admission. He has now admitted to doping. I don't need more details from his mouth unless he's going to tell the entire truth, and is willing to make full apologies and reparations to those he damaged and abused over the years. Do that, or shut up and go away. There is nothing in between.

 

[Neworld]

Sports is supposed to be about playing by the rules. ...Now, I'm sure those rides were drug-saturated, but that present knowledge doesn't diminish the experience I had at the time of the race. It's not like I'm going to edit my memories to make them conform to some bizarre standard.

Maybe you cannot edit them, but one should now significantly qualify those memories, and I agree if that is what you mean by 'colouring' them!

The past experiences have colored my present view of the sport, though. Now I am completely convinced that cycling is a filthy doped up circus. The "clean" riders, if there are any, are marginalized and are tasked with supporting and whitewashing the entire filthy enterprise.

I'm not going to rag on Cobblestoner for thinking Lance "won" his Tours. The sport is so messed up that it doesn't matter who wins or loses. It's just a filthy circus that's fun to watch. The only thing that matters is whether or not Kolobdnev gets his money in the end.

What you, C-stoner and we all watched with an unreal, *******ized, unfair 2D(if on TV) or 3D/holographic (if in person) charade by a loser named Armstrong. You may want to rent the movie "Videodrome" by D. Cronenberg to see something similar and equally as unreal.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The only thing that matters is whether or not Kolobnev gets his money in the end.

Nicely put.

But, it could be, have been a great sport were people battle with the same arms. Untill that is not accomplished we will be attending the circus instead of a sporting event.

 

[D-Queued]

Sports is supposed to be about playing by the rules. The rules say that when a rider is disqualified the win goes to the next place rider. That didn't happen in this case. Why didn't it happen? Because the rules don't mean anything in pro cycling. Pro cycling is a joke. Better to laugh at the circus than to take it seriously.

Floyd's ride to Morzine gave me a huge charge when it happened. Nothing is going to nullify that vicarious experience. Same with Armstrong's win on Plateau de Beilles. Now, I'm sure those rides were drug-saturated, but that present knowledge doesn't diminish the experience I had at the time of the race. It's not like I'm going to edit my memories to make them conform to some bizarre standard.

The past experiences have colored my present view of the sport, though. Now I am completely convinced that cycling is a filthy doped up circus. The "clean" riders, if there are any, are marginalized and are tasked with supporting and whitewashing the entire filthy enterprise.

I'm not going to rag on Cobblestoner for thinking Lance "won" his Tours. The sport is so messed up that it doesn't matter who wins or loses. It's just a filthy circus that's fun to watch. The only thing that matters is whether or not Kolobdnev gets his money in the end.

And the analogy is complete.

Professional wrestling has lots of fans. They seem to think it is a filthy circus that's fund to watch.

And the actors never admit to their contrivances.

Just like professional cycling.

The out-of-control doping doesn't seem to diminish the emotional attachment that many exhibit.

Dave.