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What will Valverde's impact be the cycling world in 2012

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El Pistolero said:
Valv.Piti said:
"I was a bit conservative into the first flat stretch after the Karabieta descent, because my team-mates departing earlier reminded me to keep some energy for the final 7km, after the Soraluze slopes, where the real difference was made. I just went on full steam from there and - well, the strategy was right."

Contador could really learn something about this. Probably what won him the race.
He's just in better shape at the moment, Contador has far more time trial wins in his career however, so he shouldn't learn anything from Valverde. They're completely different riders.
When it comes to ITTs Contador has more to teach than to learn from Valverde. However, Contador should learn a valuable lesson from Valverde: how not to fall 3/4 times a year.
 
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lenric said:
El Pistolero said:
Valv.Piti said:
"I was a bit conservative into the first flat stretch after the Karabieta descent, because my team-mates departing earlier reminded me to keep some energy for the final 7km, after the Soraluze slopes, where the real difference was made. I just went on full steam from there and - well, the strategy was right."

Contador could really learn something about this. Probably what won him the race.
He's just in better shape at the moment, Contador has far more time trial wins in his career however, so he shouldn't learn anything from Valverde. They're completely different riders.
When it comes to ITTs Contador has more to teach than to learn from Valverde. However, Contador should learn a valuable lesson from Valverde: how not to fall 3/4 times a year.
Valverde should learn that as well, he crashed out in the only Tour he had a realistic chance of winning. That one's gotta sting for him.
 
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lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.
 
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El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.
And Van Avermaet has won has won at many Ronde's as Kasper Klostergaard. And Betancur. And Melyin Wang, Nunu Bico, Theo Bos and Jurag Sagan. You can say the same thing about monuments in general.

Whats your *** point?
 
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Valv.Piti said:
El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.
And Van Avermaet has won has won at many Ronde's as Kasper Klostergaard. And Betancur. And Melyin Wang, Nunu Bico, Theo Bos and Jurag Sagan. You can say the same thing about monuments in general.

Whats your **** point?
Don't you know by now? His only point to coming to this thread is to attempt to diminish Valverde's achievements in favor of riders he likes.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.
And Van Avermaet has won has won at many Ronde's as Kasper Klostergaard. And Betancur. And Melyin Wang, Nunu Bico, Theo Bos and Jurag Sagan. You can say the same thing about monuments in general.

Whats your **** point?
Valverde hasn't won the Tour.

But imo that doesn't matter. He's not a GT gc specialist. Of course he's so good that he's done pretty well in GT's.
 
Incredible Don Alejandro. :surprised:
After the check point I was almost sure it's over for him. But he paced himself perfectly. What a stage, what a race (ok not that special :p ), what a year, what a man.

He will be a marked man in the Ardennes. He's been there before but I think this year he'll have an even more special treatment. He needs a strong team completely devoted to him. 2 out of 3 will be difficult but if anybody can do it, it's him.
 
I think the hard thing in the Ardennes will be dealing with QS. Their lineup will be lethal and I'm wondering which guys will be there for Bala. Maybe one of the young guys will step up or by some miracle Moreno will find his old form.
 
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Jspear said:
Valverde hasn't won the Tour.

But imo that doesn't matter. He's not a GT gc specialist. Of course he's so good that he's done pretty well in GT's.
Yeah, exactly why it is pointless to compare Contador and Valverde.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Valv.Piti said:
"I was a bit conservative into the first flat stretch after the Karabieta descent, because my team-mates departing earlier reminded me to keep some energy for the final 7km, after the Soraluze slopes, where the real difference was made. I just went on full steam from there and - well, the strategy was right."

Contador could really learn something about this. Probably what won him the race.
He's just in better shape at the moment, Contador has far more time trial wins in his career however, so he shouldn't learn anything from Valverde. They're completely different riders.
That's true. One continues to win races and the other one doesn't. This is just as much about Contador's drop off in performance as it is about Valverde being in good form.
 
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Jspear said:
Valv.Piti said:
El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.
And Van Avermaet has won has won at many Ronde's as Kasper Klostergaard. And Betancur. And Melyin Wang, Nunu Bico, Theo Bos and Jurag Sagan. You can say the same thing about monuments in general.

Whats your **** point?
Valverde hasn't won the Tour.

But imo that doesn't matter. He's not a GT gc specialist. Of course he's so good that he's done pretty well in GT's.
I think everybody knows that tho. And Valverde is the one who regrets that the most as it is the race he badly wants to do well at, but for whatever reason, it has just never clicked for him. It happens.

Valverde has messed up up many times. Crashed in 2006, somehow disappeared after Alps in 2007, crashed and subsequently lost lots of time in Hautacam in 2008. All winnable races.

Then was caught in the echelons of no fault of his own in 2013 in what would be a surefire podium, messed his form up in 2014. Then suddenly he started doing well and podiumed in 2015 and was incredible after a hard Giro last year in a domestique-role where he probably was better than Quintana anyways.
 
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El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.

Yet, you also seem to be butt-hurt. :lol: No need dude, nobody's trying to belittle Contador's legacy, that would be foolish. ;)

But then again, true story, Contador is a far more accomplished GT rider than Valverde ever was, or ever will be. In the same sense, Valverde is better in everything else.

For example, Contador has only a fraction of one day races and classics win of Valverde's.

Frustration is a tough thing to deal with, so try not to be so defensive, that's LF modus operandi.
 
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lenric said:
El Pistolero said:
lenric said:
True story. Still better than falling in every TDF so far since 2010 though.

But, to be fair, every top rider has something to learn from other top riders. ;)
At least he won the Tour 2-3 times. You can tell Mr. "I'm the best Spanish cyclist of this generation" is still butt-hurt about that one.

Zero Tours. That's one less than Oscar Pereiro. That's as many Tour wins as Kenny van Hummel.

Yet, you also seem to be butt-hurt. :lol: No need dude, nobody's trying to belittle Contador's legacy, that would be foolish. ;)

But then again, true story, Contador is a far more accomplished GT rider than Valverde ever was, or ever will be. In the same sense, Valverde is better in everything else.

For example, Contador has only a fraction of one day races and classics win of Valverde's.

Frustration is a tough thing to deal with, so try not to be so defensive, that's LF modus operandi.
Valverde has only won 1 of the 7 big one-day races though. Contador won all 3 GTs, multiple times.

And then there's Nibali who won all 3 GTs and a Monument as well.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Arredondo said:
El Pistolero said:
Hugo Koblet said:
El Pistolero said:
Only losers are satisfied with second or third places.

Kwiatkowski has had the second best season so far.

A Monument is much more prestigious than a one-week stage race. Otherwise someone like Richie Porte would have a comparable palmares to Philippe Gilbert.
Wait, what? How is Driedaagse De Panne and Flanders better than Strade Bianche and Milano-Sanremo? Surely Kwiatkowski's season is better than Gilberts at this point.
Because Flanders is much more prestigious than Milan-San Remo. Kwiatkowski won Milan-San Remo by wheelsucking Sagan. Gilbert won the Ronde van Vlaanderen in a 56km solo. He also became the first rider since Michele Bartoli to win both the Ronde and LBL in his career.

Strade Bianche is also overrated on this forum. It's too young to be called a classic.
Achieving something in your career (which also included other years) doesn't say anything about this season.

Both Kwiat and Gilbert are having a great season, but Kwiat won 2 big classics. Gilbert 1.
The monuments aren't equally prestigious.

1. Roubaix
2. Ronde
3. LBL
4. MSR
5. Lombardia (I personally rate it higher than MSR though, but I'm being objective here)
Only in your head
 
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El Pistolero said:
Milan- San Remo thread: 34 pages of discussion
Ronde van Vlaanderen thread: 60 pages of discussion
TdF Ventoux stage last year more prestigious than LBL MSR and WC combined confirmed.

Congrats to Thomas de Gendt on winning the biggest race of the year
 
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PremierAndrew said:
El Pistolero said:
Milan- San Remo thread: 34 pages of discussion
Ronde van Vlaanderen thread: 60 pages of discussion
TdF Ventoux stage last year more prestigious than LBL MSR and WC combined confirmed.

Congrats to Thomas de Gendt on winning the biggest race of the year
Already explained that one.
 
Amstel is probably the race in the Ardennes I look forward to the most, it will be a good showdown between many of the best classic riders at the moment and the new route could potentially make for an interesting race. Valverde is undertipped against the likes of Gilbert and GVA and maybe even Kwito and Alaphilippe so it will definitely be a big ask for him to win.
 
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PremierAndrew said:
El Pistolero said:
Milan- San Remo thread: 34 pages of discussion
Ronde van Vlaanderen thread: 60 pages of discussion
TdF Ventoux stage last year more prestigious than LBL MSR and WC combined confirmed.

Congrats to Thomas de Gendt on winning the biggest race of the year
Well had the contestants attempted to alter the races and turn them into Duathlons the way Froome had maybe they'd have had more pages of dialogue!
 

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