Hincapie confession?

[rickshaw]

now now now...

Many of the defenders I read now are so ignorant about cycling, they probably don't even know who George Hincapie is. Facts can only carry so much weight against the brainwashed....

They're not real defenders. They're interns from the Karl Rowe (Rove) - Limbaugh Institute for Dirty Politics. They sit in a boiler room tapping out ".. passed 500 tests.." or whatever all day long, hoping some day the Nazi Party of America will hire them.

George is a true Hero in the classic sense. He's everything we want him to be, but there's a tragic flaw. Its the flaw that makes a classic Hero and human.

LA has been filling his body with toxic drugs since he was a teenager and he got the cancer to prove it. No hero, all flaw.

 

[TheEnoculator]

Not so sure it would be any more - his silence has undermined his credibility. Funny how things pan out.

To me, his credibility is not affected because of his silence. JV has been silent his whole career and when he came out and also named Tommy D and Christian VDV, etc. as ex-dopers, I believed him 100% and I thanked him through Twitter for his courage. Why would I want to undermine someone who wants to clear his conscience?

It's not like George was accusing everyone as liars and bullying others like LA is doing. He just decided to go omertà, which I hope will be over soon, then cycling can start healing.

 

[Oldman]

Never tested positive; no book out... I like George's credibility.

You shouldn't put money on it. There are others exposed to the same culture as Strock that figured it out and...have spoken to investigators.
We're talking former amateurs on USA Cycling (clean ones, too!), Motorola riders, USPS...
Big George should save his investments and set the stage for as gracious a retirement as he can arrange. Frankie Andreu fessed up and has been forgiven by all except the few that felt he spat in Lance's soup.
Levi? Can you hear the call as well?

 

[Berzin]

George is a true Hero in the classic sense. He's everything we want him to be, but there's a tragic flaw. Its the flaw that makes a classic Hero and human.

LA has been filling his body with toxic drugs since he was a teenager and he got the cancer to prove it. No hero, all flaw.

Herein lies the problem. There is a difference between admiration and idol worship.

George Hincapie is no hero. He never was, and never will be. All he did was follow the program, kept his mouth shut and didn't get caught.

And don't think Mr. Nice Guy wasn't doping during his years as an amateur or on the US National team. He was, without the slightest hint of remorse.

A tragic flaw would seem Shakespearean in Hincapie's case, but all it does is attempt to depth to a polluted pond.

Not only was he a doper long before US Postal, he was one of the bullies on the team who propagated omerta. Why do you think he got along so well with Armstrong?

 

[pedromartins]

Are you serious? Hincapie's confession would be the jewel of all doping confessions in the history of all sports. If George admits to doping, that'd seriously put Cancer Boy at a disadvantage. His confession would effectively end all Armstrong myths overnight, and Armstrong would be hunted like a blood hound hunts down an injured rabbit.

because he had to do what the bad guys and cheaters were doing.. Armstrong is king again.

*this is his strategy, and judging by the press and comments it really works.

Armstrong wins.

 

[trailrunner]

To me, his credibility is not affected because of his silence.

His credibility may not be diminished, but the impact of his coming out now, instead of earlier, will be diminished.

JV has been silent his whole career and when he came out and also named Tommy D and Christian VDV, etc. as ex-dopers

But what was the overall reaction from this? Not much. CN and maybe VN published a story, but in the shadow of Hamilton's book, it didn't generate that much stir. Same thing if Hincapie comes out now. To the hardcore cycling fans, it will be just confirming what we have already known with a source that Armstrong won't be able to refute. To the general public, they will say "George who?," and say "I thought Armstrong already lost his titles - isn't this old news?" The fanboys will either be in denial, or say "see, everyone WAS doing it back then." At the end of the day, it will be another drop in an already full bucket.

Now, if Hincapie had come out six months ago, now that would be far more noteworthy.

 

[Big Doopie]

I want LA to suffer for he did to cycling, the sport I love dearly. I forgive other ex-dopers because they could have been bullied by LA into doping. But LA must burn.

i agree 100%. and have posted such sentiments.

for justice on the one hand and the good and future of cycling on the other, armstrong must indeed "burn", and all cyclists must see it happen.

 

[TubularBills]

Fair Trade?

"The Tour's brought me everything, my wife, my kids, my name, everything," he said.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20120629/tour-de-france-george-hincapie/

Sold his soul for a pretty good ride through life.

~Sir Podium Girl

(secret advisor to Lieutenant Froome)

 

[masking_agent]

Supposedly its coming in the next few days

Really ? I'm riding a Gran Fondo with him this Sunday.. Oooh should be quite interesting..

 

[AlpineClimbr]

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The believers will believe, and the haters will hate. I don't think one more confession will change much -although I agree that Hincapie's will be a big help in overturning the myth

It depends on what he confesses to.

If he confesses to doping but refuses to discuss anyone else, then it's pretty much a yawner.

If he confesses to doping with a full core dump of names and places, then we really have something.

I'm afraid it's going to be the former.

 

[TubularBills]

Hincapie's Confession:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkVSp4vBUA

TDF 2005 Stage 15 (July 17th): Lézat-sur-Lèze - Saint-Lary Soulan (Pla d'Adet) (205.5 km)

 

[TheEnoculator]

It depends on what he confesses to.

If he confesses to doping but refuses to discuss anyone else, then it's pretty much a yawner.

If he confesses to doping with a full core dump of names and places, then we really have something.

I'm afraid it's going to be the former.

Even if he doesn't name names, that still would put Cancer Boy at a huge disadvantage. If the closest and best friend was doping, that'd be paving the road for the evidence to point at Armstrong. So Hincapie's confession would be very damaging to the Armstrong camp.

 

[Race Radio]

Hincapie confession

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Levi's confession
http://www.levination.com/

 

[zingone]

I'm not concerned about the die hard fans. They are just idiots.

What I want to see is LA getting sued left and right, losing sponsors, losing money for his cancer scams, and if possible, land him some jail time for perjury and lying to federal investigators (though the jail one might be a bit far fetched).

I want LA to suffer for he did to cycling, the sport I love dearly. I forgive other ex-dopers because they could have been bullied by LA into doping. But LA must burn.

Are you F@#!'g kidding. I've read Tyler's book. All members of the peloton were at the time and still are big boys - and all of them have equal responsibility with the s#@! show that took place and continues now. In short, they are all responsible for damaging the sport you love dearly. Give your head a shake.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

If GH confesses, it won't be any big surprise as we all (or most) know USPS/Disco were juiced.

 

[the big ring]

Hincapie confession




Levi's confession
http://www.levination.com/

Interesting. Maybe too many people told Hincapie he's a good guy, and he swallowed the notion; hook, line and sinker?

 

[sartain]

This. Plus, no more of that god awful "witch hunt" nonsense, spewing from cancer boys pie hole

Have not seen any posts from LA's alter ego, College, in a while . . . I guess the cat must have got his tongue?

On a different not, and not sure if this was posted, but this cancer survivor takes one hell of a jab at Wonderboy, it's a great read if you have not seen it.

http://www.tbnweekly.com/editorial/viewpoints/content_articles/091812_vpt-03.txt

 

[Galic Ho]

This would make sense if RR is right and the detail on the USPS case is going to be released into the public domain. It might lessen the blow before the merde hits the fan. In any case there is so much doping noise going on right now that Hincapie's confession might go pretty much unnoticed.

Travis Tygart said the dossier heading to the UCI regarding Armstrongs ban would be sent by the end of the month and released to the public by the end of the year.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tygart-received-death-threats-during-usadas-armstrong-investigation

"The witnesses told us exactly what they had declared to FDA inspectors, and we could confirm all the evidence. That's where Armstrong's declarations regarding a personal witch hunt against him don't make any sense. This affair is much greater that only the Armstrong case. We're talking about a real conspiracy inside US Postal. Perfectly organised, with many actors involved. Many of which have confessed, which will not prevent them from being suspended - moderately," Tygart added.

This needs to be taken into consideration. I've been operating under the assumption, the guys who cooperated, were going to be sanctioned. It was on the cards. But, USADA needs to get everything happening at the same time. Can't tell the UCI all the details, if you don't have the issues with the guys who talked sorted out. We all know who they are. JV confirmed all his boys who were involved, including himself. Heck why did Millar say what he said, which is out of character for him, just the other day to McQuaid? To cover for his mates would be my best guess. Why? Deflection. The UCI will kick up a stink about these guys. No doubt about that. Why? Because I'm guessing what they say will vindicate Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis words, most particularly about the UCI.

And of course, Big George. His words will hurt the most. He is one of these guys. So what does 'moderately' mean? Well he has retired. Probably means a public statement regarding his activities and they accept his word and don't strip him of results.

As for what Race Radio said the other day about the break away league not being on the cards anymore. True. But I think the new play is to gain power over the UCI. The big boys heads are on their way to the guillotine. Capture theory. Look it up. Millar and JV sounded to me like they are making a play for the riders to have a greater say in the governing of the sport with the past weeks activites. And I don't like their approach. Smells off. Just my two cents.

Any word from Big George would be awesome and appreciated. And it should be given proper and due consideration. He was thoroughly disrespected by Lance in the 2009 Tour. Heck, Garmin copped most of the flack for that. Unfairly IMO. Was wrong. Friends don't do that to friends.

 

[Ozzie2]

Well, its all falling apart for them anyway.
is a good start at least

Interview in Aust with Tyler h.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3587187.htm

 

[noddy69]

I never really can get my head round big George the hero, the nice guy, the well respected rider. When talking of doping and his confession about to come out and then using these words as some do it all just seems wrong. If he is to come out and say he did does the admiration go or is he seen as a victim of circumstance ? Because if he is then so should the rest.

If George does come out and say it then the only reason he has the respect of the peletoon army is because he so staunchly followed the omerta within cycling for so long. It is because he knows and participated in cyclings shame and never said a word.

He does need to come out and tell all as do others, but he must also apologise for his part in keeping up the sham for so long. I mean not saying a word until you retire is keeping with the omerta till the bitter end and while confessing,if that is what he is going to do is the right thing to do, it is not exactly admirable the way it is being done.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

Even if he doesn't name names, that still would put Cancer Boy at a huge disadvantage. If the closest and best friend was doping, that'd be paving the road for the evidence to point at Armstrong. So Hincapie's confession would be very damaging to the Armstrong camp.

If Hincapie admits doping but doesn't implicate Armstrong or Bruyneel, then it won't do USADA much good in getting them. The whole point is going after a widespread conspiracy.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

I'm betting that USADA told these guys not to talk until after the file gets out. Perhaps under threat of longer sanctions?

 

[Benotti69]

I'm betting that USADA told these guys not to talk until after the file gets out. Perhaps under threat of longer sanctions?

Why would you bet that?


They have talked to USADA and that may well be it for them.

 

[Alpehue]

Are you F@#!'g kidding. I've read Tyler's book. All members of the peloton were at the time and still are big boys - and all of them have equal responsibility with the s#@! show that took place and continues now. In short, they are all responsible for damaging the sport you love dearly. Give your head a shake.

So by that you mean that he shouldent be punished because everyone else cheated?

So if everyone steals, we should only punish the small guys, but let the ones profiting the most from it get away with it?

Few people have lied/bullied as much as Armstrong, also, seems that everyone that actually knows armstrong says he is a horrible horrible person. Wouldent mind seeing him punished.

 

[zingone]

So by that you mean that he shouldent be punished because everyone else cheated?

So if everyone steals, we should only punish the small guys, but let the ones profiting the most from it get away with it?

Few people have lied/bullied as much as Armstrong, also, seems that everyone that actually knows armstrong says he is a horrible horrible person. Wouldent mind seeing him punished.

Nope, not saying that. He should be punished and deserves whatever he has coming to him. He made his bed, he should sleep in it.

That said, it is ridiculous to have such a hard-on for one guy and naive to believe that he is the only one who damaged the sport. There were and are many more cooks in the kitchen - regardless of their political clout or not - and all deserve punishment. Period.